Religion and Places of Worship

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So I was curious for any information regarding the religious practices of Islam and Hinduism. I have a few characters that have religious backgrounds I'm familiar (Christian & Catholic) and two characters that I'm not (Indian American and Arabic American). I'm mildly familiar with Hindu Temples and what you are definitely not supposed to do in them. Are there only certain times you're allowed to go--I'm thinking in terms of like bible study, or specific days that people go like Sunday for Christians and etc.
 

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I've only been in a mosque a couple times, and the main thing is to remove shoes, and women cover their heads. The ones I visited had hijabs available for the women to wear.

Googling for mosque etiquette provides pages mostly for visitors, and all pretty basic, common sense stuff, but since I've not been at one during prayers I'm not sure what the rules for the faithful are at such times.

I found this dos and don'ts list for prayer times.
 
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For Islam, a lot of specifics will depend on what denomination (sorry, I can't think of s better term) your character follows. Are they Sunni, Shi'a, or something else?
 

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I was married to a Muslim for thirteen years and have been to lots of masjids (Muslims call them masjids, not mosques* - the etymology of mosque is dodgy). It varies a lot from masjid to masjid depending on the imam, also between sunni and shia masjids. (My ex is sunni but I have occasionally been to shia masjids and they're totally different.)

*they may say mosque when speaking to non-Muslims, because non-Muslims won't recognise the word masjid

I can give more detailed info later - there's a lot more to it than just taking off your shoes and putting a headscarf on if you're female - that's advice for non-Muslim visitors. Got to go to work in a bit so can't go into detail now, will post more when I get back.
 
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There are massive amounts of difference between different Muslims - 1.3 billion of them on the planet. I'm somewhat familiar with Arab culture and Islam (the two are not the same) due to my ex as mentioned previously. I also lived in the Gulf for several years and can speak a little Arabic and read and write the script. Bearing in mind there are massive cultural differences between different Arabs, e.g. Gulf, Levantine, North African etc (for just the very broad differences). Plus individual differences - just because someone's from a Muslim family doesn't mean they're a practising Muslim or even any kind of Muslim. Also bear in mind that there are Arab Christians and other religions as well.

If you want to know the specific details of day to day Islamic practices like the 5 daily prayers, I'd recommend getting a guide for new converts to Islam. There's the Teach Yourself Islam book by Ruqaiyah Waris Maqsood (apologies if I transliterated her name wrong, there is about 100 different ways to spell Ruqayya in English and only one in Arabic) which is a good Islam 101 guide that's appropriate for new Muslims and non-Muslims who want to educate themselves about Islam. It's also good for differentiating between the actual religious teachings of Islam and cultural practices of various different Muslims. It will help massively with researching Islam for fiction, but you also need to research the character's culture separately as the two are not the same thing.

Friday prayers (done just after noon on a Friday) are obligatory for all men who are able bodied enough to get there, but optional for women. A few masjids take the whole "optional for women" thing to mean they don't need to provide any facilities for women at all. Even when there are prayer rooms for women, they're usually smaller than the men's prayer room. There is nothing to prevent a large prayer room being divided in half, the men will pray in front and the women at the back and some masjids will do this.

Before praying you have to wash (wudu) in a very specific way that includes (amongst other things) washing the feet. If Muslims are praying somewhere where there's a multifaith prayer room e.g. at a university, then the lack of feet washing facilities can cause issues with both Muslims and non-muslims (e.g. people washing their feet in the sink in a conventional western bathroom). for full details of how to do wudu (if needed) see the above-mentioned book. You don't wear shoes in a masjid. In the women's prayer room women don't have to wear headscarves as there are no men around. If it's a prayer room with with both men and women in it, then women will wear headscarves. Also, there's more to hijab (modesty) than wearing a headscarf (see the above-mentioned book). And hijab applies to men as well.

Children before the age of puberty are considered innocent and that they should see the masjid as a fun place, so kids running amuck while prayers are going on is normal. Arabs are particularly fond of children. Some imams will try to involve the children in praying but this isn't forced. Some masjids may do classes for children, but the content and the way its taught varies massively. Classes and social gatherings for adults, events for fundraising, events for charity, special days for teaching the local non-Muslims that they're not terrorists and are actually quite a friendly bunch they can come and have a cup of tea with, all can be happening there. Also, religious events such as marriages will take place there from time to time, people converting to Islam, and funeral prayers - see the above-mentioned book for the specific details. If people just so happen to be in the masjid when funeral prayers are going on, they're expected to attend as it's supposed to be the whole community and if you pray at the same masjid you're part of the community whether you know the person who died or not.

A well-run masjid has a very community feel and people are always welcome. There's no time when you can't go (although there are times when you're not supposed to pray - see the book I've referred to multiple times already - but you can go and sit in the masjid at those times) albeit you might end up randomly getting involved with something going on. For example if they need someone to witness someone converting to Islam, they tend to just grab random people. It will be much, much quieter when it's not Friday and there will only be the super-dedicated in the masjid for fajr prayers (done between dawn and first light). During Ramadan, more people go to the masjid to pray and masjids will provide food at maghreb (sunset) time after the maghreb prayers, for people to break their fast. Typical fare is lamb curry with rice. People donate food and bring in food they've prepared, or it might be donated by a local Muslim-owned restaurant (hence the predominance of curry, at least in the UK!). Eid prayers are like Friday prayers but done earlier in the day on Eid, and you thought the masjid was busy on a Friday, you haven't seen busy until you've seen Eid prayers. Muslims pray the standard 5 prayers a day plus optional extra ones, if they don't pray at the masjid they pray at home (or work, or wherever they happen to be*)

*if you're on an aeroplane, finding out which way Mecca is while you're mid flight can be a challenge but we always flew Qatar Airways and the cabin crew could always help with pointing my ex in the right direction (literally) because it's a common query - when travelling you only do 3 prayers a day but if you're flying across several time zones you may still have to do one of those three prayers on the plane. Oh and a literary reference: I **love** the way Jazz's dad in Artemis by Andy Weir handled the whole "which way is Mecca?" thing while living on the moon.

The only times I've heard of masjids not being open all the time is when there's a risk of vandalism and racist attacks from the local non-Muslim communities, which is heartbreaking. Non-Muslims often don't realise the full impact such things have on communities.

Hope some of that info's helpful - just to reiterate again, there is so much variation with Muslims that it's hard to give info without some people coming along and saying it's not like that in their local masjid or whatever. Also, in Arabic, big masjids are called jama'a but British Muslims just tend to call them all masjids, or mosque when speaking to non-Muslims. Dunno how it works in the USA if I'm honest. Also, the Arabic terms mentioned above may be called something completely different by Urdu speakers and speakers of other languages. I know the names of all the prayers in Arabic, but can barely understand the same words when spoken by Urdu speakers, plus other languages having their own terms for things. Muslims are culturally and linguistially extremely diverse.

Feel free to ask any more questions if you want.
 

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As neandermagnon said, there are a LOT of variances depending on the type of Muslim and where they're from and what culture they were raised in. Neandermagnon gave you a lot of good information, so I won't repeat it.

I was married to a Muslim for thirteen years and have been to lots of masjids (Muslims call them masjids, not mosques* - the etymology of mosque is dodgy). It varies a lot from masjid to masjid depending on the imam, also between sunni and shia masjids. (My ex is sunni but I have occasionally been to shia masjids and they're totally different.)

*they may say mosque when speaking to non-Muslims, because non-Muslims won't recognise the word masjid

My husband and his family are Sri Lankan muslims. They don't use the term masjid at all, only mosque. Masjid is apparently used more than mosque in India.

When we travel, I'll look up masjids and mosques on Google maps and frequently get different results. It's not universal even there. And yeah, there are huge variances in the types of mosques. When in Singapore, the husband could go to an Indian mosque (as in run by Indian muslims) or other mosques run by Muslims from other countries. There are huge variations in how the mosques are run, what the sermons are like, and so on.
 

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Quick, off topic, gotchas.

Most Indians don't speak Hindi and there are 500 religons in India. (And 500 paid holidays with conflicting origin stories.)

Most Indians share one language, British English. They probably speak something regonal and something .... tribal isn't the right word but it's what's coming to mind so it'll have to do. But if they have to talk to someone at work it probably has to be in English.
 

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Quick, off topic, gotchas.

Most Indians don't speak Hindi and there are 500 religons in India. (And 500 paid holidays with conflicting origin stories.)

Most Indians share one language, British English. They probably speak something regonal and something .... tribal isn't the right word but it's what's coming to mind so it'll have to do. But if they have to talk to someone at work it probably has to be in English.

Uhm, what? Most Indians speak Hindi. A small percentage speak English.
 

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Uhm, what? Most Indians speak Hindi. A small percentage speak English.

Wikipedia says you are right, good catch thank you. It's not true for the technical people I work with. I went hunting someone to teach me basic polite hello/goodby/thank you in Hindi. My friend said maybe that guy on the far end of the building speaks it. Those two over there probably share English and one other language. The third one won't share anything but English with the first, might have another shared language with the second. "Most will only have English as a shared language." and he's not the only one I've heard say it.
 

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Wikipedia says you are right, good catch thank you. It's not true for the technical people I work with. I went hunting someone to teach me basic polite hello/goodby/thank you in Hindi. My friend said maybe that guy on the far end of the building speaks it. Those two over there probably share English and one other language. The third one won't share anything but English with the first, might have another shared language with the second. "Most will only have English as a shared language." and he's not the only one I've heard say it.

That's a small, specific, self-selected sample is the problem there.

Also Wiki is a dumpster fire of misinformation and nonsense; hence I linked to the actual Indian census.
 

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That's a small, specific, self-selected sample is the problem there.

Also Wiki is a dumpster fire of misinformation and nonsense; hence I linked to the actual Indian census.

yes, sample error (might apply as character is said to be Indian - American but an error none the less.)

Wikipedia has flaws but I was tired and didn't see your link (and i would have looked for an easy second source anyway)

again, good catch and thank you.
 

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Quick, off topic, gotchas.

Most Indians don't speak Hindi and there are 500 religons in India. (And 500 paid holidays with conflicting origin stories.)

Most Indians share one language, British English. They probably speak something regonal and something .... tribal isn't the right word but it's what's coming to mind so it'll have to do. But if they have to talk to someone at work it probably has to be in English.

It's not British English. India has its own dialect of English. It has its own vocabulary that's different to British and American English.

Of course, British-Indians generally speak British English, and it may be that the colleagues you mentioned in your other post actually did speak British English, if they were British or had spent a lot of time living in Britain.
 
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As neandermagnon said, there are a LOT of variances depending on the type of Muslim and where they're from and what culture they were raised in. Neandermagnon gave you a lot of good information, so I won't repeat it.



My husband and his family are Sri Lankan muslims. They don't use the term masjid at all, only mosque. Masjid is apparently used more than mosque in India.

When we travel, I'll look up masjids and mosques on Google maps and frequently get different results. It's not universal even there. And yeah, there are huge variances in the types of mosques. When in Singapore, the husband could go to an Indian mosque (as in run by Indian muslims) or other mosques run by Muslims from other countries. There are huge variations in how the mosques are run, what the sermons are like, and so on.

:Thumbs: It's probably because my experience is strongly biased towards Arabic and Arabic speakers, on account of my ex and living in the Gulf. British Muslims are more often Pakistani and as far as I can remember, they call it a masjid. But it's very interesting to learn about all the regional differences. People - myself included - forget just how huge and diverse the Muslim population is.
 
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It's not British English. India has its own dialect of English. It has its own vocabulary that's different to British and American English.

Of course, British-Indians generally speak British English, and it may be that the colleagues you mentioned in your other post actually did speak British English, if they were British or had spent a lot of time living in Britain.

Yes it's its own thing, all peoples, "do the needful," and mangle the language their own way. But to my ear under the accent(s) and additions the phrasing sounds way British as opposed to Aussie, New York, LA, or Texas. "Please do revert," if you have questions or disagreement.