Trump Admin: Climate Change is real, and we're doomed...

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Last month, deep in a 500-page environmental impact statement, the Trump administration made a startling assumption: On its current course, the planet will warm a disastrous seven degrees by the end of this century.A rise of seven degrees Fahrenheit, or about four degrees Celsius, compared with preindustrial levels would be catastrophic, according to scientists. Many coral reefs would dissolve in increasingly acidic oceans. Parts of Manhattan and Miami would be underwater without costly coastal defenses. Extreme heat waves would routinely smother large parts of the globe.But the administration did not offer this dire forecast, premised on the idea that the world will fail to cut its greenhouse gas emissions, as part of an argument to combat climate change. Just the opposite: The analysis assumes the planet’s fate is already sealed.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-administration-sees-a-7-degree-rise-in-global-temperatures-by-2100/2018/09/27/b9c6fada-bb45-11e8-bdc0-90f81cc58c5d_story.html?utm_term=.e07c5345f5c9

On the plus side, a GOP President accepts the facts of Climate Change, on the negative side, they're saying it's too late to do anything, and are using that opinion to remove environmental regulation. Which is pretty close to evil. This can not be allowed to stand. It's one thing to remove rights from the poor, minorities, LGBT people, the elderly, immigrants, but this is just a finger to everyone and mostly to children. Vote.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-administration-sees-a-7-degree-rise-in-global-temperatures-by-2100/2018/09/27/b9c6fada-bb45-11e8-bdc0-90f81cc58c5d_story.html?utm_term=.e07c5345f5c9

On the plus side, a GOP President accepts the facts of Climate Change, on the negative side, they're saying it's too late to do anything, and are using that opinion to remove environmental regulation. Which is pretty close to evil. This can not be allowed to stand. It's one thing to remove rights from the poor, minorities, LGBT people, the elderly, immigrants, but this is just a finger to everyone and mostly to children. Vote.
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I'm kinda down with charging climate change deniers with genocide. Because humanity isn't going to survive this.
 

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Humanity probably will survive it. Civilization is more at risk, I think.
 

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Possibly. It's possible the erosion of civilization will mediate the climate alteration enough for the species to make it through.

How about attempted genocide?


No. Genocide is right. Once civilization collapses, there will be no way to keep all the spent fuel rods in all the nuclear power plants cool, so there will be nuclear accidents all over the world, spewing poison and death for millennia. Few species will survive the havoc we have wrought. And, we're doing it willingly and knowingly at this point.
 

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Maybe this should be redirected to the 'research' forum, along with the image meme of 'that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works!' :D
 

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No. Genocide is right. Once civilization collapses, there will be no way to keep all the spent fuel rods in all the nuclear power plants cool, so there will be nuclear accidents all over the world, spewing poison and death for millennia. Few species will survive the havoc we have wrought. And, we're doing it willingly and knowingly at this point.

You'd be surprised at how persistent and tough life can be. Look at the animals and plants that have colonized the still highly radioactive area around Chernobyl. Evidently, humans are more of a challenge to most wildlife than toxic levels of radiation. And some humans still live there too, ignoring the warnings.

This doesn't mean some parts of the planet won't become uninhabitable for us, or at least incapable of sustaining civilization because of intense heat and lack of water.

I agree that this will be bad for our civilization as a whole, and life after its collapse will pretty much suck. People forget how interdependent we are, how much we depend on a global economy for the resources we need to maintain infrastructure and our high tech tools and toys. And we've plucked the low hanging fruit when it comes to energy and raw materials, so civilization may not get another chance.

The outraged behavior of so many in the face of modern civilization's greatest accomplishment (the radical notion that all people have rights and value and that humans shouldn't own one another) doesn't bode well for most of humanity if we end up permanently back in some kind of middle ages.

Of course, the people who still have the knowledge of how to live in low density situations as hunter gatherers may have the edge in the decades and centuries after a collapse of civilization.
 
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Ever see or read any of the books or docs such as 'The World Without Us', 'Life After People', etc.? My takeaway from them is that the world will be a better place without us.

In any case, the roaches, rats and dandelions will probably do okay.
 

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No. Genocide is right. Once civilization collapses, there will be no way to keep all the spent fuel rods in all the nuclear power plants cool, so there will be nuclear accidents all over the world, spewing poison and death for millennia. Few species will survive the havoc we have wrought. And, we're doing it willingly and knowingly at this point.

Years ago, I attended a convention panel where an author whose name I forget said that humans are not evil because we built houses and roads and didn't live like squirrels: we're humans, building houses and roads is part of what we do. We are evil when we know how to do human things responsibly but choose not to.

There are too many evil humans with far too much power...