Hillary Has Had Enough

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Hillary wrote a piece for the Atlantic in which she does not hold back --

Earlier this month, Trump made 125 false or misleading statements in 120 minutes, according to The Washington Post—a personal record for him (at least since becoming president). To date, according to the paper’s fact-checkers, Trump has made 5,000 false or misleading claims while in office and recently has averaged 32 a day....

Trump doesn’t even try to pretend he’s a president for all Americans. It’s hard to ignore the racial subtext of virtually everything Trump says. Often, it’s not even subtext. When he says that Haitian and African immigrants are from “shithole countries,” that’s impossible to misunderstand. Same when he says that an American judge can’t be trusted because of his Mexican heritage. None of this is a mark of authenticity or a refreshing break from political correctness. Hate speech isn’t “telling it like it is.” It’s just hate.

I don’t know whether Trump ignores the suffering of Puerto Ricans because he doesn’t know that they’re American citizens, because he assumes people with brown skin and Latino last names probably aren’t Trump fans, or because he just doesn’t have the capacity for empathy...

There is a tendency, when talking about these things, to wring our hands about “both sides.” But the truth is that this is not a symmetrical problem. We should be clear about this: The increasing radicalism and irresponsibility of the Republican Party, including decades of demeaning government, demonizing Democrats, and debasing norms, is what gave us Donald Trump. Whether it was abusing the filibuster and stealing a Supreme Court seat, gerrymandering congressional districts to disenfranchise African Americans, or muzzling government climate scientists, Republicans were undermining American democracy long before Trump made it to the Oval Office.

Preach, Madame President. Also, please, save us somehow.
 

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I’ve been following news of her, every week since the election.

It’s generally been a mix of some real articles about what she’s doing and a ton of bile-choked outrage in FOX the right-wing media about this or that latest story of her latest scandal / corruption / vileness.

Don’t remember any of those stories? It’s because they never reach the reputable media, because they have all pretty much been errant nonsense.

Every few days the right wing media dreams up a new bogus Two Minutes of Hate story targeting Hillary Clinton.

She is an amazing woman of grace and courage, and the right wing press has been going apoplectic trying to beat her down. It’s amazing they have any teeth left, the amount of grinding they’re doing.

And their candidate won the election! Unlike any other losing presidential candidate there ever has been, they can’t seem to leave her alone. They must have their punching-doll.

I admire Hillary Clinton more than ever.
 

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And their candidate won the election! Unlike any other losing presidential candidate there ever has been, they can’t seem to leave her alone. They must have their punching-doll.

They keep bringing her up because she's a perfect foil. She's at the heart of a rallying cry, a reminder to Trump's minions to look "over there!" instead of looking too closely at the big fat liar in front of them.
 

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Hillary wrote a piece for the Atlantic in which she does not hold back --



Preach, Madame President. Also, please, save us somehow.


Hillary needs to crawl into a fucking hole and go away. And I say that as a guy who voted for her, and would again, in a heartbeat.

So why do I say that? She was a shitty candidate. Excellent potential president, but shitty candidate--she didn't break any laws but was WAY too fucking comfortable skirting them, and it only contributed to her image problem. People didn't like her. They didn't feel like she was honest, they felt she was whatever, an "ice queen," etc......like I said, I think she would have been a good (not great, but fuck, orders of magnitude better than our orange Cheeto-jesus) President, but as it stands.....she's inverse Donald Trump; she does more to animate the opposition, by far, than to animate her base.

Is that fair? Is it fair to say "and so she should shut the fuck up?" No, it isn't. She deserved better. At the same time, she also should have TRIED to BE better....she was remarkably comfortable, as I said, not breaking the law, but skirting the margins in a manner that looked greasy as fuck and made her an easy foil. So even though I agree with 100% of what she might say, I feel she does us no favors.

The tide is firmly at Donald's back. And the only thing that would make that better for me is if he was wearing a fucking cinderblock necklace. But I don't particularly want to see Hillary make his job any easier just by being Hillary.....
 

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There is nothing that would make Donald Trump's life more complete than a second opportunity to defeat Hillary Clinton again.

Whatever else the Democrats need in 2020, they don't need any more Clintons. Not Hillary, not Bill, not Chelsea and not even George. Obama can't run again. Clinton shouldn't run again.

Step out of the spotlight, Hillary. It's time for it to shine on someone else. :gone:
 

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I agree. She is a remarkable person of indomitable strength, but I really don't want her to step back into the limelight and galvanize the hard right all over again. They're squabbling among themselves and eating the party from within. Give them Hillary and they'll form right up under a single banner again. I love that she's given so much to this country, but no. Not now.
 

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I agree as well. The Democrats are still trying to figure out who we are. We've lost our identity in this bum rush of lies and Russia and rolling back everything good Obama ever did, and we really need to stable ourselves, take a really hard look at ourselves, and then move forward as one rather than as the moderates and the socialists. We need to put all our differences aside and find our voice.

If we bring out Hilary and try to use her beside Obama...we're going to lose the people who voted for Hilary only because she's a Democrat. The ones who really didn't like her, and there were quite a few. And the right is going to reunite - they're kind of falling apart right now. They are split too, but if we show them Hilary, they will come back together in their hatred and disdain for her. And a united Republican party is not what we need while the Democrats are so weak.
 

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There is nothing that would make Donald Trump's life more complete than a second opportunity to defeat Hillary Clinton again.

Whatever else the Democrats need in 2020, they don't need any more Clintons. Not Hillary, not Bill, not Chelsea and not even George. Obama can't run again. Clinton shouldn't run again.

Step out of the spotlight, Hillary. It's time for it to shine on someone else. :gone:

Agree. I thought the same thing two years ago.
 

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Is Trump's second term a foregone conclusion?

Of course not. He could resign. He could be impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate. He could be put in check by a Congress run by Democrats. He could die before the next presidential election.

I'd prefer Trump be put in check. Let the bastard know what it really feels like to be a looooooooooser. :cry:

With the left in such disarray, unless Mueller pays off REALLY big, it very well could be.

Not at all and it's a mistake for the Left to place all their hopes on Robert Mueller. Sure, he seems like a decent guy, but I'm not about to deify a Republican FBI boss as the savior of the republic. The Left was in disarray and left for dead in the aftermath of Trump's election. Now they have to prove they only looked dead.

By the way, Kaiser-Kun? The Left isn't alone in its dysfunction because the only part of The Right that is united are the Trump faithful. The rest of them are going along for the ride as long as they get their tax cuts and Supreme Court justices.

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Perhaps Biden would be a better bet than Clinton.
Perhaps there should be a better bet to choose from than yet another 70+ presidential candidate, right Bernie? :e2stooges
 

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I suppose I'm a centrist, but it seems you have to be "left" or "right" nowadays, or the people shouting at each other will think you're a wimp; I voted for Hillary, but I thought at the time America needs someone of strong character to bring us together, not tear us apart (as orange hair is doing). If the Democrats can find one of those I'll vote for him/her but I'm not confident. I'll agree with several people here we need new blood.

Cruz is down here in Texas griping that his opponent supports the athletes kneeling at the national anthem. I guess he doesn't care if cops shoot black people. As a native Texan those ancestry goes back to the 1830's, I view him as a carpetbagger.
 
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With the left in such disarray

Maybe vet that "talking point." Mostly it comes from the GOP or Bernie Bros. Every Democrat I know is pulling in ONE direction. Even if it's voting for someone backed by Bernie. If they won the primary, run-of-the-mill D's are behind them, and it has been proven over and over in the primaries. Can't say the same for the Bernie side, but they've mostly been shown for what they are. Susan Sarandon can hang on all she wants, but she's a laughing stock to most liberals at this point.
 

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Kind of the same as calling Hillary -- who got the second-highest vote total in the history of the republic, and who got 3 million more votes than the other guy -- a flawed candidate.

She's a woman, and a smart one who doesn't hide the fact. Same as people had a problem with Obama's skin colour, people had a problem with her gender. The solution is not more old, white men so no one is too offended.
 

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Kind of the same as calling Hillary -- who got the second-highest vote total in the history of the republic, and who got 3 million more votes than the other guy -- a flawed candidate.

She's a woman, and a smart one who doesn't hide the fact. Same as people had a problem with Obama's skin colour, people had a problem with her gender. The solution is not more old, white men so no one is too offended.

This. And I think what appears to be disarray or dysfunction is the sudden and sporadic discovery of backbones and I don't discount Hillary's role in that. At all.
 

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Kind of the same as calling Hillary -- who got the second-highest vote total in the history of the republic, and who got 3 million more votes than the other guy -- a flawed candidate.

She's a woman, and a smart one who doesn't hide the fact. Same as people had a problem with Obama's skin colour, people had a problem with her gender. The solution is not more old, white men so no one is too offended.


while I agree the solution isn't more old white dudes, people had many issues with Hillary outside her gender. She was, in fact, a flawed candidate. She was flawed enough she got only 3 million more voted than a guy who called Mexicans rapists and bragged about grabbing pussies. She won the popular vote by 3 million votes in what should have been an absolute blowout.

Some of the issues were utter bullshit (Benghazi, anyone?) but some were fairly accurate....she was an insider bordering on grifter. It made her supremely qualified, but she managed to make herself look she felt entitled to the nomination and in general to make herself a truly easy woman to dislike. That's not my penis telling me she can't be a leader, because I would be more than happy to see Warren or perhaps Gillibrand get the nod, but Hillary was absolutely flawed--even if you don't think she deserved it, a candidate who started with like a 40% disapproval rating is flawed just in having that, earned or not. She managed to be even more unlikeable than she was well-qualified, not an easy task.
 

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Perhaps there should be a better bet to choose from than yet another 70+ presidential candidate, right Bernie? :e2stooges

My heart can't stop racing at the thought.

When talking about who will win the nomination, the priority should be on putting people on the downticket in November so that we have a pool of candidates to work with without the peril of losing the downticket in 2020.
 

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I think in a rational world Hillary, with all her flaws, would have not only won, but it would've been a landslide against someone as Trump.

The biggest problem exposed by this election and administration is just how enormous the population of uneducated, racist, sexist, immature, imbeciles and just plain evil people you have. I am sure it is a minority, but it's a minority big enough to make one of them president.
 
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