The latest "Presidential" lie...

What sort of country lets its people die from apathy?

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And the Overton Window shifts once again.

Gross. And check back in a few weeks on what percentage of Republicans believe the PR death numbers are inflated.

Some are already at it on Day 1. Our buddy, Lindsey Graham

Meanwhile, GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham defended Trump and said he didn't use the "right words" when talking about the death toll after Hurricane Maria, and later added he questioned the number.

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I cannot begin to describe the disgust this makes me feel.

cbenoi1 said:

What sort of country lets its people die from apathy?

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Apparently, the one I'm currently living in. (Not that this is new... see also: continued lack of real universal health care reform, and continued erosion of the closest thing we managed.)

Nauseating, and expected. It does nicely dovetail with the ongoing message that brown people aren't real people, let alone real Americans.

So Lindsay Graham says Trump didn't use "the right words". Hey, that's a ready excuse for everything he utters. It probably beats "alternative facts".

caw

He also claimed he "helped a little bit" cleaning up the rubble from the Twin Towers.

From Trump Twitter:

“Everyone who helped clear the rubble — and I was there, and I watched, and I helped a little bit — but I want to tell you: Those people were amazing,” Trump said. “Clearing the rubble. Trying to find additional lives. You didn’t know what was going to come down on all of us — and they handled it.”

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Sick sick sick.

The general number has been corroborated by multiple reports and first hand accounts. There is nothing to dispute. It seems that some argue the definition of a casualty. If a man has a heart attack while clearing debris two months after the storm, is that counted as a casualty? It’s my understanding that it is, and that the definition is the same in every natural disaster. The truth is that FEMA was spread thin after Irma and Harvey, but instead of making excuses or passing blame, a president ought to be humble and consoling.

ElaineA said:

Our buddy, Lindsey Graham

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w/o going into a derail, I really don't understand what's happening with LG.

MaeZe said:

He also claimed he "helped a little bit" cleaning up the rubble from the Twin Towers.

From Trump Twitter:

Sick sick sick.

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He... he said WHAT? I thought he was watching imaginary people celebrating in Jersey on his teevee.

Just in case anyone is unclear on this -- hewas not there. He did not clear any rubble.

Also, "clearing the rubble" went on for months, though he seems to be pretending he rushed down with first responders to dig for survivors, which.. no, no he did not.

Snopes: Was Donald Trump at Ground Zero Searching for Survivors Two Days After 9/11 with Workers He Paid For?

Fark: Apparently it was in one of his rally speeches you can hear here.

WAPo has better articles but they are behind paywalls unless I go incognito.

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Donald Trump: I 'helped a little bit' with clearing rubble at ...
"Everyone who helped clear the rubble -- and I was there, and I watched, and I helped a little bit -- but I want to tell you: Those people were amazing," Trump said. "Clearing the rubble. Trying ...
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Trump's long history of lying about 9/11 and exploiting it ...
While Trump did visit the site a couple of days after the attack and did some interviews, there is no evidence that he got down to help clear rubble, which people would certainly have remembered.
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cornflake said:

He... he said WHAT? I thought he was watching imaginary people celebrating in Jersey on his teevee.

Just in case anyone is unclear on this -- hewas not there. He did not clear any rubble.

Also, "clearing the rubble" went on for months, though he seems to be pretending he rushed down with first responders to dig for survivors, which.. no, no he did not.

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"I helped by keeping out of the way. Imagine the mess if I'd showed up and tried to manage everything!"

Nothing the man says surprises me, no matter how outrageous or untrue it is. Sadly, the people who want to believe him will continue to do so.

Bone Spurs is a legendary germophobe. He famously doesn't even like to shake hands. Not to mention that he is physically lazy, and proud of it. The concept of him actually "clearing rubble" is hysterical. SNL needs a skit about him doing this.

caw

I found Rick Scott's twitter response to Trump interesting. The skeptic in me questioned if this is political expedience.

https://twitter.com/ScottforFlorida/status/1040265322270474242

Catherine said:

I found Rick Scott's twitter response to Trump interesting. The skeptic in me questioned if this is political expedience.

https://twitter.com/ScottforFlorida/status/1040265322270474242

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The latest Twitter response: "Thank you. You are still absolutely horrible and I can’t wait for you to lose in November but thank you."

I scrolled through several more responses, and they're all terribly negative. Makes me wonder if having a Twitter account is a good idea for some of these politicians!

I'm a FL resident who thinks RS has done a horrible job. He's a pandering opportunist. His latest TV ad rails against "career politicians," though he's been Governor for eight years and now wants to be a senator. Sounds like a career to me. That said, I'm glad he's disagreed with Trump on this. He supported Trump for president but has also publicly rebuked some of Trump's other behaviors.

I'd been wondering this week if Trump's supporters were getting tired of his constant whining and me-me-me focus. Surely, some of them are getting fed up or at least bored. Then I saw a clip from Bill Maher's show that discussed this. The takeaway was that there will always be 30% of the populous who are rabid followers and think the guy is the greatest American hero ever (despite being a draft-dodger, philanderer, crook, and bully), but that the ones who 'held their noses' while voting for him two years ago are ready to cast him aside now that they got their tax cuts and SC appointees.

That creature allowed to live in the White House appears to speak truths by accident, he lies so often, but that statement wasn't a lie in my mind. It was an obvious attack.

Correction to a statement above. The death toll of about 3,000 isn't the number of casualties. Survivors who were injured or made ill by Hurricane Maria would be included in a casualty count, which would be closer to a million Puerto Ricans.

Over the course of his campaign and presidency, there've been a lot of times when I think a lot of us have said: now he's really crossed a line. We would then create a new line, and he would gleefully cross it also.

Now I think there's just a series of branches. One is for denying the holocaust, another is the Mexicans being responsible for 9/11, and another is denying a death toll. Oh, look at that, BINGO! Who had denying an official death toll figure?

On most political talk shows you'll often hear that you should talk with your opponents and whoever is across the isle. And that's true, that's sound lovely and all, but how are you supposed to work with an imbecile like this? How is a good democrat supposed to work to a republican when their definition of what is moral is so far apart.

Bleh.

According to this:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...uits-party/ar-BBNmkFE?li=AAggNb9&OCID=FIRPLC:

Leslie Wexner is taking his money and going, if not home, then independent. May this be true, and may he be the first of many. (I have no idea who the guy is, but if Trump is finally chasing away people with money, maybe the end is nigh.)

The title of this thread is already out-of-date.

caw

Moment of nostalgia for the 'How low can he go?' thread.

frimble3 said:

Moment of nostalgia for the 'How low can he go?' thread.

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Now that thread really has an out-of-date title.

We were young and hopeful then.