Alcohol poisoning - treatment + effects

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I'm wanting to put one of my characters in the hospital with alcohol poisoning. Enough for him to be seriously ill, needing CPR and touch and go for a while...and for people to question whether he intended to commit suicide, but I need him to recover [physically at least...mentally is a whole other arc!]. He's 31 years old, close on six foot in height and in reasonable health. He has a fairly high tolerance to alcohol normally and is an occasional drinker these days with the odd heavy binge. But has a history of high alcohol consumption and some drug use in his teens and early twenties. The event takes place in modern day UK...not sure if treatment would be different over here vs the US.

Googling has yielded some basic info...but most of what I can find is more about prevention and basic first aid rather than what the ambulance crew and hospital would do to stabilise and treat him. Any details about this would be really useful as I have another character observing all this and at his bedside in the hospital.

I'm also interested in how long he'd be in the hospital and how he would be acting when he regained consciousness and indeed how long it would take him to wake up. Would he still be acting drunk and if so for how long after the event?

Any info about how he'd be feeling afterwards would be helpful too, any short-term issues he might have, health complaints, pain, fitness etc as that may affect some other events in my story.

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Perhaps you need different search terms.

Mayo Clinic: Alcohol poisoning

MedScape: Alcohol Toxicity Treatment & Management

Treatment for an alcohol overdose usually includes:

Airway support, such as breathing tubes or a ventilator.
IV fluids.
B-12 and thiamine to preclude against the complications of common alcoholic nutritional deficiencies.
Gastric lavage (or stomach pumping) to minimize absorption of already ingested alcohol or other drugs.
Activated charcoal administration to further minimize absorption of gastric contents.
There's more on that site about the longer term outcome.
 
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Thanks MaeZe I'd seen the Mayo Clinic page already it wasn't quite detailed enough for my needs. Totally forgot to search Medscape though. Thanks for that. Very helpful with some timeframes on it.:Thumbs:

That last link looks either wildly out of date or the US is very different to the UK in how it treats alcohol OD's. Charcoal and stomach pumping aren't used from the info I found last night.

Thanks for the long-term info though as that will be relevant as he's American and would be seeking treatment there later on. I shall store that for the future. For this storyline it's the short-term post-treatment info I need. I just need him vertical and out of hospital and vaguely functioning. It suits the story if he's a bit of a mess. Longer term AA and psyche help is a whole other book I'm trying to avoid thinking about right now :chair
 

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...That last link looks either wildly out of date or the US is very different to the UK in how it treats alcohol OD's. Charcoal and stomach pumping aren't used from the info I found last night....
Charcoal doesn't absorb alcohol all that well so gastric lavage is used without the charcoal. It looks like you had reasonable success with your online search after all. :)
 

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Yes, I found a few bits to help :) Still a bit unclear about the pre-hospital treatment and total length of his stay and have nothing on the reality/experience side of things from the POV of the character himself. Any and all info greatly received. I tend to over-research so I can pick titbits to highlight.
 

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Your OP suggests that the witness is going to be in the ambulance with the patient. In this neck of the woods, that would be unlikely, with a couple of exceptions: the patient is a small child or the patient is near death and the police need to take a statement if they can. There tends not to be extra space in ambulances for extra people.

If you meant that the witness was seeing this before the patient is loaded into the ambulance, then you're okay.

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Patient would stay overnight, maybe two days at the absolute longest if it took that long to find a bed for him/her in a psych or drug treatment unit if that was deemed needed.

Prehospital care, the same thing you'd do with anyone in a drug induced coma, support respirations and circulation.

And what Siri Kirpal said. :)
 
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Your OP suggests that the witness is going to be in the ambulance with the patient. In this neck of the woods, that would be unlikely, with a couple of exceptions: the patient is a small child or the patient is near death and the police need to take a statement if they can. There tends not to be extra space in ambulances for extra people.

If you meant that the witness was seeing this before the patient is loaded into the ambulance, then you're okay.
Yes my story currently has a friend travelling with him. It's been twenty years since my last experience with an ambulance as a relative and travelled with them, so wasn't sure if it still happens these days. But I can easily adjust the story to have them follow on afterwards with the second friend that meets them there.

Many thanks for your insight.
 

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Patient would stay overnight, maybe two days at the absolute longest if it took that long to find a bed for him/her in a psych or drug treatment unit if that was deemed needed.

It's an NHS hospital so finding a bed full stop is definitely an issue even without the psych issues :tongue That might be a useful way to extend his stay to suit other events that happen in the days after this though :Thumbs:. As I said in my earlier post I just need him sobered up and sent on his way in this story. No psych treatment beyond a quick bedside assessment at this time.
 

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If he's got a history of alcohol abuse he's also likely to get a referral to a specialist treatment service, but this is basically just a 'we really recommend you go get help' and he'd be free to ignore it but it might give you an extra point of tension to play with in later scenes if his friends are trying to get him to look after himself better.

If he's arriving in an ambulance and unconscious he's not going to have much of a wait in A & E, that's what triage is for, although as its just alcohol poisoning they'll just pump his stomach, hook him up with an IV and some additives and then if they can't find a proper bed, leave him on a gurney for a bit until one comes available in the morning, but if its not a super busy Friday/Saturday or bank holiday etc then it probably won't be much of an issue (waiting times and bed availability also varies dramatically around the country so think about where its based). Please don't repeat tabloid nonsense about bad hospitals without a good reason.

Source - best friends with an A & E nurse for 14 years and has heard every story imaginable
 

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If he's got a history of alcohol abuse he's also likely to get a referral to a specialist treatment service, but this is basically just a 'we really recommend you go get help' and he'd be free to ignore it but it might give you an extra point of tension to play with in later scenes if his friends are trying to get him to look after himself better.
Yes this was my thinking. He's been avoiding his issues for years and will be continuing to do so for some time. His story is proving rather too complex to squeeze into this book properly so have a vgaue idea to base the following one around him to properly do him justice.

If he's arriving in an ambulance and unconscious he's not going to have much of a wait in A & E, that's what triage is for, although as its just alcohol poisoning they'll just pump his stomach, hook him up with an IV and some additives and then if they can't find a proper bed, leave him on a gurney for a bit until one comes available in the morning, but if its not a super busy Friday/Saturday or bank holiday etc then it probably won't be much of an issue (waiting times and bed availability also varies dramatically around the country so think about where its based).
Yes I get that re triage my delay tactic was more finding him an ICU bed or simply waiting for the psych consult once he's with it enough to talk. I'm going to give him more than a basic alcohol poisoning. I'm wanting to make it more touch and go, on a ventilator kind of serious. The events are in central London currently on a Monday so potentially not too much of an issue for beds as he could probably be transferred to another hospital...but it suits the story better if he stays in the same one it means I don't have people travelling all over the place. Still trying to figure out the best way to go with it.

Many thanks for the input.
 
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This is my memory of my alcohol poisoning while in Vietnam in 1968, from my memoir "Small War", which is still in progress:

In September 1968 I was preparing to celebrate my 365 days in Vietnam with my Dustoff buddies. I copped a ride down to Saigon, went to the PX and bought, along with my cartons of cigarettes, a bottle of vodka and a bottle of Four Roses. The reason for the helicopter flight was “to pick up some orders”, but the real reason was to pick up a half palate of beer. We returned from Saigon and offloaded the liquids. This time the beer was Carling Black Label. While 1st and 2nd Up were in the RTO room, officially, the Ready Room, with a red light bulb on after dark to protect the crew’s night vision, the rest of us had finished dinner mess and eventually wandered one-by-one over to the club. I was there early and started drinking whisky-coke, a half glass of coke, (though it may have been Nehi or Tab) with the Four Roses to top it off and eating fresh corn on the cob brought to us by our hospital cook who had traded some Navy rations for it from a hospital cook near Da Lat. It was a great time, but I don’t remember many details. Most of the way through the evening I finished the Four Roses and started on the vodka with Coke. My only memory of that part of the party was my speaking above the noise of the crowd saying “I’ve got three things I want to say” while looking at CWO Marler. I recall saying that three or four times. After that it’s all black.
When I woke up I was in my cot, in my tent. I felt awful. My mouth was dry like cotton, and my head swirled. I laid there for a while, then turned a bit in the cot. I felt like I was in a mudhole. I eventually got myself together and sat up in my cot. I was soaked. And I stank. I stood up and liquid poop started running down my fatigues onto my legs. I had shit and peed myself in my sleep. Damn. I coaxed myself to walk to our outdoor shower area and turned on the water, it was sorta warm. I stripped, saw the mess in my underwear and just stood under the falling water. I had a serious beard on my face. I got myself clean and my clothes clean enough to give to my mama san (a local woman who was our tent maid) to wash. I walked back to my tent naked, hiding myself with my soaked fatigues. I got dressed, then took my cot outside and spent an hour cleaning it. Then I cleaned the floor under my cot. I then shaved and considered myself presentable. Outside I met CWO Marler (CWO = Chief Warrant Officer). He looked at me, asked how I was and then told me I had been out for two whole nights. It was now the third day after my celebration. He laughed about how he helped me make it back from the clubhouse to my cot, “you were planting corn all along the way” he said. – from the corn on the cob we had had for dinner -- and that’s all I remember about my ‘party’.
I reflected later about my “absence” from reality as I slept off my hard drinking. I had finished one and half quarts of Four Roses and vodka, plus some beers. I was told I had been “blind drunk” and kept raving about having three things to say, but they never could get me to say what those three things were. And I have no memory of what they were either. Three people helped me back to my cot that night. I was out for 53 hours, more or less. There was nothing going on in my head during that time; I was out. Zero. No dreams, no thoughts, nada. Black midnight. I imagined that must be what it’s like when you’re dead. I concluded later that it was just like before I was born and settled on the idea that ‘When you die, you go back to where you were before you were born.’ That’s not so bad.
I never feared death after that, and I couldn’t get near strong alcohol for about ten years. Even now, my first thought when smelling strong alcohol, even my favorite cognac, is that morning when I woke up.

FWIW
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By the way, the next day I was flying again as the medic on unarmed medevacs called "Dustoffs".
 
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... As I said in my earlier post I just need him sobered up and sent on his way in this story. No psych treatment beyond a quick bedside assessment at this time.
That would be the next day in the states and I don't see any reason it would be different in the NHS.
 

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Wow DrDoc. Many thanks for that very descriptive passage. :Hail: Particularly the shit. Completely slipped my mind that would happen so have added myself a note to add something in along with the copious puke and piss he ends up covered in. Nicely adds to the awkwardness between him and the other character involved. It's going to help be build a mental picture about this character during it all that I can convert to text as well as thinking about how he'd be doing in the days after the event. It also gives me some thoughts about his frame of mind afterwards and how he would view his drinking. You've given me lots for me to mull over. :Thumbs:
 

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That would be the next day in the states and I don't see any reason it would be different in the NHS.

Would he be released in a state that he could look after himself? Or would he need someone to look after him for a bit?
 

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Besides the proper treatment in the hospital, alcohol poisoning is dangerous. I hope your character will survive. Besides the hospital part, you can put him in any good rehab if your guy continues drinking in your scenario. You can write that he became depressed after the hospital and started drinking even more. It can be a pretty good story about how your character deals with problems during his treatment in a rehab alcoholics center. Also, can you tell me more about his friend following the character? Maybe you can put them both in rehab or make him help the main character escape the rehab?
 

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Besides the proper treatment in the hospital, alcohol poisoning is dangerous. I hope your character will survive. Besides the hospital part, you can put him in any good rehab if your guy continues drinking in your scenario. You can write that he became depressed after the hospital and started drinking even more. It can be a pretty good story about how your character deals with problems during his treatment in a rehab alcoholics center. Also, can you tell me more about his friend following the character? Maybe you can put them both in rehab or make him help the main character escape the rehab?
Hi, barnyangel. Welcome to Absolute Write.

May I suggest that you hop over to the New Members section (that bolded text is a link) and start a thread to introduce yourself? It will let us get to know you (and vv) and, more importantly, let the moderators know what you're here. They'll greet you and point you with links to the important bits of info about AW that you need to read.

One pointer will probably be about checking a thread's date before replying to it. If you take a look, you'll see that the original poster (OP) of this thread who asked the question, and the folks who answered, had the conversation over four years ago. It's nice that you offered up suggestions, but it's a pretty safe bet that the OP is no longer in need of the info, since her question was pretty specific and her story is probably long since finished and published.

We call it "necro-ing" if you raise a thread from the dead to no purpose. And it's something we ask folks not to do, as I'm sure you can understand, since it clutters up everyone's "New Posts" listings. So, yeah, check dates! And introduce yourself! And have a great day! With flowers! :e2flowers