Thai boys trapped in cave - rescue attempts?

frimble3 · Jul 12, 2018

No, it's gotta be somebody's name! 'Dante's Hell': great title! And, make it an all-girl team, so the Head Rescuer can be in love with the coach, and the kids can be even cuter.
Hey, take it out of Thailand entirely, and set it in one of the American cave systems!
And the female coach can be torn between the Rescuer and the millionaire with the brilliant plan! :sarcasm

Let's 'Hollywood' reality!

RedRajah · Jul 12, 2018

frimble3 said:
And the female coach can be torn between the Rescuer and the millionaire with the brilliant plan!

If we're gonna Nicholas Sparks it, one of the two will conveniently die anyways, so the woman doesn't have to actually choose. And the father of the other diver/scientist will give the Proper Speech on Trusting GAWD~! before dying and intervening in Heaven/heavy-handed SAVING THE DAY WITH THE POWER OF FAITH~!!!!!

:popcorn:

Brightdreamer · Jul 12, 2018

neandermagnon said:
I saw that a Christian film company was trying to get to make the film - didn't know the exact company or how Christian.

Given that the coach is a Buddhist and had previously been a monk for some years, and him teaching to boys how to meditate helped them to stay calm and conserve energy in the days before they were rescued... how can anyone in their right mind make it into a Christian film? If it's going to have a religious theme, then it ought to be Buddhist. Seriously.

You underestimate the ability - the fundamental drive, even - of certain Christian ~~cults~~ branches to appropriate everything under their own theological umbrella, retconning it into a God/Jesus narrative. If something good happened, if some semblance of what could be called a miracle occurred, it was because of their brand of Christian God and Savior, even if the people involved didn't know it at the time. No other God but their God means no other miracle-granter but their miracle-granter.

They wouldn't even have to outright state it (though they probably will.) Skew the symbolism enough, whitewash the characters, and the audience hears the message of the Message.

blacbird · Jul 12, 2018

To return this thread (somewhat) to its original focus: Now that everyone (except the volunteer rescuer who died) is out and safe, it is time to ask, What in hell caused this assistant football coach to lead a dozen boys into a cave system, where there were warnings not to go, where he had never been, and take them beyond sight of the entrance? My god, they were four kilometers, more than two miles, from the entrance when they were found, miraculously still alive. WTF?

caw

neandermagnon · Jul 12, 2018

blacbird said:
To return this thread (somewhat) to its original focus: Now that everyone (except the volunteer rescuer who died) is out and safe, it is time to ask, What in hell caused this assistant football coach to lead a dozen boys into a cave system, where there were warnings not to go, where he had never been, and take them beyond sight of the entrance? My god, they were four kilometers, more than two miles, from the entrance when they were found, miraculously still alive. WTF?

caw

BBC reports say they were in the cave system which they go in quite frequently, but they were not that deep. Then there were sudden heavy rains which started to flood the passages and which drove them further underground to get away from the flooding. It's also possible that the way they went in isn't the same way they got out. The heavy rains blocked many passages and some reports mentioned rockfall debris. And once their way out was blocked, they would've tried to find another way out - likely going deeper and deeper, in the darkness. Failing to find a way out, they would've had to find the safest place to shelter and hope for the best.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44799779 - the BBC has quite a few different articles on this

Also the article notes that while the Thais do consider that the coach was responsible for what happened - though it mentioned it was likely that the boys strongly persuaded him to take them there against his better judgement - they don't have a blame culture and are unlikely to take any action against him. The parents of the boys all wrote to say they were not angry with him. The fact that he was so instrumental in keeping them calm, hopeful and alive while they were down there makes up for it. Without him, they wouldn't have survived the nine days without knowing if they'd ever be rescued or not. The article mentions that he might go back to being a monk for a while as a pennance/spiritual cleansing but I think to a lot of people's minds, he's already done that through his support of the boys while they were trapped.

frimble3 · Jul 12, 2018

The coach was young, the older players were teenagers, the younger players want to do what the big boys are doing. And, they had done similar before, with no problems. So it was probably intended as a mildly adventurous little post-game outing.
Then, the rains came.
Sometimes things just happen: bad luck, poor timing, no planning.
I live near mountains - every year people wander up into the mountains, no proper footwear, no warm clothes, or emergency food. Certainly not telling anyone where they're going, or what route they're taking.
Sometimes the North-Shore Rescue Volunteers rescue them, sometimes the family has to wait until someone stumbles over the remains.

Although, a heavy-set middle-coach might have been less likely to scramble through caves. Taking your team for junk food after the match could be good for your health.

LittlePinto · Jul 13, 2018

Also, if I recall correctly, the rains came a little earlier than expected this year. They probably anticipated that they'd be fine based on past experience with the weather.

cornflake · Jul 13, 2018

Back to the cave?

Heh heh.

LittlePinto · Jul 14, 2018

A diver involved in the rescue shares his thoughts on Musk's submarine. Additionally, Musk was apparently asked to leave the cave quickly after he showed up.

BenPanced · Jul 15, 2018

Musk continues to go off the rails: he's recently called one of the rescuers "pedo guy".

frimble3 · Jul 15, 2018

I guess he wanted something more 'sophisticated' than 'mean old poopy-head'? Ya know, you can be smart and still an idiot. He should devote some research money to that.

In fact, a small, safe, portable enclosure for underwater rescues near the surface (no pressure concerns) would be a useful thing. But, I doubt you can cobble one together over a weekend. For that matter, a portable, low-cost hyberbaric chamber - for both medical and rescue work - could be a life-saver, and the man could do a lot of good, if he could put his attention-seeking aside.
This doesn't look to be happening anytime soon, though.

Albedo · Jul 15, 2018

I've heard of jumping the shark, but never in a miniature submarine.

frimble3 · Jul 15, 2018

It's a cool image, though!

LittlePinto · Jul 16, 2018

frimble3 said:
I guess he wanted something more 'sophisticated' than 'mean old poopy-head'? Ya know, you can be smart and still an idiot. He should devote some research money to that.

In fact, a small, safe, portable enclosure for underwater rescues near the surface (no pressure concerns) would be a useful thing. But, I doubt you can cobble one together over a weekend. For that matter, a portable, low-cost hyberbaric chamber - for both medical and rescue work - could be a life-saver, and the man could do a lot of good, if he could put his attention-seeking aside.
This doesn't look to be happening anytime soon, though.

Yeah, it's the "cobble together" that's the problem. In order to satisfy the design requirements of this sort of project, you'll need to design and fabricate to purpose. You can't take some spare parts from an entirely different project and assemble them into something that won't kill people.

You'd think Musk would know that, or his engineers would.

frimble3 · Jul 16, 2018

I assume his engineers are accustomed to living with this stuff, and are well compensated for their time.
And, if you're an engineer, it's probably fun, in a 'Whatever could be next?' kind of way. Just not practical.

blacbird · Jul 16, 2018

frimble3 said:
In fact, a small, safe, portable enclosure for underwater rescues near the surface (no pressure concerns) would be a useful thing. But, I doubt you can cobble one together over a weekend. For that matter, a portable, low-cost hyberbaric chamber - for both medical and rescue work - could be a life-saver, and the man could do a lot of good, if he could put his attention-seeking aside.
This doesn't look to be happening anytime soon, though.

Any of these devices should be tested, personally, by Elon Musk, before anyone else uses them.

caw

frimble3 · Jul 16, 2018

A brilliant idea! Fulfilling both the need for testing and his need for publicity!

Thai boys trapped in cave - rescue attempts?

frimble3

Heckuva good sport

RedRajah

Special Snowflake? No. Hailstone

Brightdreamer

Just Another Lazy Perfectionist

blacbird

neandermagnon

Nolite timere, consilium callidum habeo!

frimble3

Heckuva good sport

LittlePinto

Perpetually confused

cornflake

practical experience, FTW

LittlePinto

Perpetually confused

BenPanced

THE BLUEBERRY QUEEN OF HADES (he/him)

frimble3

Heckuva good sport

Albedo

Alex

frimble3

Heckuva good sport

LittlePinto

Perpetually confused

frimble3

Heckuva good sport

blacbird

frimble3

Heckuva good sport