Ireland Votes Overwhelmingly to Lift Abortion Ban

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/25/ireland-votes-to-relax-abortion-laws

No one was expecting such a lopsided landslide of a vote.

If confirmed at Saturday’s count, the shock result – three years after Ireland became the first country in the world to approve same-sex marriage by a popular vote – would underline the speed and scale of change in a country that is still majority Catholic.

Exit polls from the Irish Times and the national broadcaster RTÉ showed a clear two-thirds of the country supported change. Dublin, as expected, had voted overwhelmingly to end the abortion ban, but so too did rural areas that anti-abortion activists had counted on to form a bulwark of conservative support for the restrictive status quo.

The Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll late on Friday suggested a 68% to 32% vote in favour of yes. The RTE exit poll of 3,000 voters suggested that 69.4% voted yes in the referendum compared to 30.6% who said no.

In 1983, under pressure from reactionary conservatives, Ireland enshrined forced birthism in its constitution, adding an eighth amendment which said the life of a foetus was to forever be considered just as protected as the mother’s, effectively banning all abortion at any time.

The horrific results include untold thousands of women fleeing the country to get legal abortions elsewhere, raped children forced to bear babies, unviable babies born in agony to die shortly after, and some really ghastly maternal deaths, including the notorious and completely unnecessary death in 2012 of Savita Halappanavar by sepsis after she was refused an abortion of a dead foetus.

This is good, good news. No one was expecting the “Yes” turnout to be this strong. It shows hope that Ireland is overcoming its past.
 
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Of course, this comes from the generation that wanted that eighth amendment, when people have had a chance to see what the actual end-results are, for that generation and their children. Nothing like a nasty case of 'be careful what you wish for'. Especially, in those rural areas, where everybody knows everybody's business, or can guess. And it's harder to quietly slip away to England.
 

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Something inspiring, to know that a nation recognizes its need for change, and that people most affected by the decision must ultimately be the ones to make it.
 

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...andslide-to-repeal-eighth-amendment-1.3508861

Exit polls show strong, unified, cross-generational support for repealing the eighth amendment. Whether urban (expected), rural (not expected), men, women, youths, adults, or the middle aged, all voted in favor of repeal (people aged 18-24 voted 87% in favor of repeal).

The only group that voted against was those aged 65 and up.
 

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This must put pressure on the politicians of Northern Ireland to change that regions stance on abortion.
 

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Good for Ireland! Savita Halappanavar's death was a travesty, but it appears to have woken people up. It's interesting how liberal the younger generations have become in what was once the most socially conservative of Roman Catholic countries in Europe.

It's a shame many folks over here in the US haven't been paying attention, and we could be going in the opposite direction soon if some very elderly justices don't hold on for two and a half more years.
 

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The only group that voted against was those aged 65 and up.

So, the people likeliest to have traditional/conservative beliefs, and the people least likely to get pregnant or get someone pregnant.

The "things were just fine the way they were; I don't see why we need to change them!" contingent.
 

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Oh, the time will come up
When the winds will stop
And the breeze will cease to be breathin',
Like the stillness in the wind
Before the hurricane begins,
The hour that the ship comes in

And the seas will split
And the ship will hit
And the sands on the shoreline will be shaking,
Then the tide will sound
And the wind will pound
And the morning will be breaking

Oh, the fishes will laugh
As they swim out of the path
And the seagulls they'll be smiling,
And the rocks on the sand
Will proudly stand
The hour that the ship comes in

And the words that are used
For to get the ship confused
Will not be understood as they're spoken,
For the chains of the sea
Will have busted in the night
And be buried at the bottom of the ocean.



-- Bob Dylan


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Predictably, the young voted overwhelmingly in favour of the repeal whilst the over 65s were the only demographic to oppose it.
 

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Huh, and I was thinking "Do You Love An Apple".

I was thinking "The Well Below the Valley" ... green grows the lily-o, right among the bushes-o.



(Christy Moore's solo version, or the version by Omnia. I'm not so keen on the Planxty version on the album of the same name, even though I love all the rest of Planxty's music. Nothing to do with the song itself, I just don't think the musical arrangement of it worked so well. If you search for the Omnia version online, it's just called "The Well" - warning for anyone google searching it: the song's so disturbing most folk singers won't sing it. It's about incest and infanticide, and IMO rape is implied, as is the fact that the woman's innocent and utterly powerless.)

Thanks for posting the Bothy Band song :) I love that song.

Christy Moore voted in favour of changing the law, even though he's in the age demographic that mostly supports keeping the abortion laws the same. He posted a really thoughtful video on his facebook page to explain why he was voting that way.