Age of Consent

WGough

Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 26, 2018
Messages
464
Reaction score
17
Location
Texas
Excellent points, autumnleaf. Thanks for the advice.
 

konstantineblacke

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 12, 2018
Messages
423
Reaction score
63
One of the hardest aspects of writing about historical people is trying to get into their mindset. So, as you say, it was considered proper to beat your children. A parent who didn't physically punish a misbehaving child would be seen as neglectful, much as we would view a parent who lets their child throw tantrums in a restaurant without removing him. That being said, there would be a difference between a father who reluctantly took up the switch when his child was seriously misbehaving, and another father who regularly beats his son black and blue for the most minor offences. The first is a dutiful man doing what he sees as the best for his child; even though we moderns might disapprove of his actions, we can still see him as a sympathetic character. The second is a sadist using society's standards as an excuse for his own cruelty; most readers would see him as a villain, no matter what time he lived in.

I once read a book set in the 18th century where a teenage girl was caught canoodling with the wrong man. Her father was obviously distressed by this -- a Bad Reputation could spell disaster for the daughter and the whole family. He yelled at her a lot, and I kept expecting him to at least threaten to hit her, but he never did, and that seemed odd to me. I hope people don't imagine now that I approve of beating up children (I don't! Please don't beat your children! If you are feeling stressed and tempted to do so, there are help lines you can call!) But it seemed anachronistic that the father seemed not to even consider slapping her down, as most people in his society would have expected him to do.

Socialistic expectations are what we grapple with as historical fiction writers. What is considered the normal for a certain time isn't for the here and now. A fine line we tread, seeing as ultimately, the reader is modern. As you say, you expected the child to be corrected by the father, but a lot of readers perhaps wouldn't, depending on how well read they are, knowledgeable, etc.
 

Tocotin

deceives
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Aug 3, 2008
Messages
2,270
Reaction score
1,950
Location
Tokyo, waiting for typhoons
Wow, this thread made me swing between suicidal thoughts and hope.

We seem to have a lot in common. My story is set in roughly the same period (roughly, because the setting is Meiji-period Japan). My MC sounds like a poor relative of your MC – he's a servant in a brothel, a small-time criminal, and other morally questionable things. He's also highly sexually active, and to him sex is first and foremost a currency, a means to an end. And he is underage.

I don't know what to do about this, or rather if I should do anything, because the story wouldn't work if he were 18 or 19. It's a purely historical novel of Tokyo underworld in the 1880s, set mostly in various red-light districts and other seedy places, and I cannot ignore the realities of the time. Sex workers, if they were born or sold into the trade as children, began their apprenticeship very early, and started to take clients when they were between 13 and 14 years old. In Meiji period the age was raised to 16, but that was in licensed quarters. Unlicensed sex work was a different world altogether.

It's not a YA story, so I don't feel that I need to state the age of my MC. He lies a lot and tells different things to different people, depending on what he thinks they want to hear. He's not an orphan, but no one in his family cares enough to remember the exact year when he was born. When he's arrested, he just gives the police a random number off the top of his head. In Japan, you have to be entered into a family register to be a citizen, but his family couldn't be bothered, and so in the eyes of the law he doesn't exist, and the police have no choice but to believe him. The underlying meaning of this is that no one gives a shit – this lack of info is in itself a part of the story.

Various people, including some lovely AW folks, have read the excerpts, and so far my MC's age hasn't been an issue... I have just posted a nearly-sex scene in SYW and – actually, I have a lot of erotic elements throughout the book (because the MC is also the narrator) and so far, no one objected. I read your opening in the SFF subforum, and I think it's fine :)
 
Last edited:

angeliz2k

never mind the shorty
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 24, 2008
Messages
3,727
Reaction score
488
Location
Commonwealth of Virginia--it's for lovers
Website
www.elizabethhuhn.com
Okay, okay, but what exactly are we concerned about? Audience reaction? Legal difficulties? I can imagine that some people will avoid any mention of underage sex, but I don't think most readers are put off by a depiction of something that is clearly reality, in a historical or contemporary setting. As far as legality, I'm pretty sure you can write whatever the hell you want. It's fiction.
 

autumnleaf

practical experience, FTW
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Apr 29, 2010
Messages
1,133
Reaction score
215
Location
small rainy island
Historical novels with characters under 18 in sexual situations:
The Blood of Flowers by Anita Amirrezvani
Memoirs of a Geisha by Arthur Golden
Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood

Those are just the ones I could think of without too much effort.