Trump Orders Strikes on Syria Over Suspected Chemical Weapons Attack

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Via The New York Times Trump Orders Strikes on Syria Over Suspected Chemical Weapons Attack

France and Britain joined the United States in planning the latest fusillade of missiles against Mr. Assad’s government, presenting an allied condemnation of the April 7 suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma. Germany, however, refused to take part in the coordinated military action in Syria, even though Chancellor Angela Merkel called the use of chemical weapons “unacceptable.”
Via The Washington Post U.S. launches missile strikes in Syria

The operation capped nearly a week of debate in which Pentagon leaders voiced concerns that an attack could pull the United States into Syria’s civil war and trigger a dangerous conflict with Assad ally Russia — without necessarily halting chemical attacks.

Both Syria and Russia have denied involvement in the attack, which Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov alleged had been staged.
 

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I have the terrible, cynical thought that this is being done simply to distract the public from James Comey’s book being released next Tuesday. And if not that, then to distract us from some other malfeasance. Possibly to make excuses to delay next fall’s elections indefinitely.

I used to think such sorts of beliefs were absurd and paranoid, but this White House has sunk to such depths of depravity, selfishness, and pettiness (does no Congressional Republican remember their oath to uphold the Constitution, that the President is a public servant, not the Big Man Boss of Everybody?) that I cannot put anything past it.
 

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I have the terrible, cynical thought that this is being done simply to distract the public from James Comey’s book being released next Tuesday. And if not that, then to distract us from some other malfeasance. Possibly to make excuses to delay next fall’s elections indefinitely.

I used to think such sorts of beliefs were absurd and paranoid, but this White House has sunk to such depths of depravity, selfishness, and pettiness (does no Congressional Republican remember their oath to uphold the Constitution, that the President is a public servant, not the Big Man Boss of Everybody?) that I cannot put anything past it.

My terrible, cynical thoughts exactly...

All of it aided and abetted by co-conspirators in Congress.
 

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What do you wanna bet he fires Mueller tonight, "because no one will notice now"?
 

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I have the terrible, cynical thought that this is being done simply to distract the public from James Comey’s book being released next Tuesday.

You should not feel guilt about it, because this is exactly what it is, and was totally predictable. We have no coherent military strategy in Syria, but we do have the ability to shoot rockets and drop bombs there, so, okay, that's what we'll do. And hope that it does indeed distract the public, however briefly, from the multitude of problems slowly closing in on Bone Spurs. Nothing about these military strikes will affect Bashar Assad in the slightest.

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You guys must have been watching Rachel Maddow. She said much of the same thing.
Didn't we hear something similar when President Clinton bombed someone during the Monica Lewinski thing?
 

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I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to James Comey's book.

I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to firing Robert Mueller.

I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to firing Rod Rothenstein.

I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to the shitstorm swirling around Michael "I Pay Off Porn Stars" Cohen.

I don't believe anyone should go to Las Vegas betting on knowing the madness behind what Donald Trump does, when he does it or why he does it. :rolleyes

This is one horrible reality show we're trapped in with a cray cray White supremacist with baby hands screaming like a banshee driving our bus 90 miles down a twisting mountain road in the dark with rain pissing down and no brakes.

No good can come from any of this.
 

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There are reports that the attack is a “one-and-done” type of operation. I hope Assad gets the message, but have no expectations that he will.
 

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You guys must have been watching Rachel Maddow. She said much of the same thing.

I haven't watched Maddow's show in many months. I don't need a pundit to tell me this action is a bunch of crap designed to bolster the fragile and insatiable ego of Donald Trump. It's not like he has a history of being subtle about such things.

caw
 

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It's good Hillary wasn't elected, as she was a dangerous hawk who wanted to bomb Syria.

Oh, wait....
 

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There are reports that the attack is a “one-and-done” type of operation. I hope Assad gets the message, but have no expectations that he will.

That's what Mattis said -- which is the opposite, basically, of what Trump said. I'm fairly convinced Mattis could find Syria on a map and understands the conflict and the players. I'm entirely convinced Trump is the opposite, and yet, he's actually in charge so....
 

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People on Twitter have already dug up Trump Tweets contradicting this. One criticizes Obama for bombing Syria because it won't get us anything but more debt and the possibility of another long-term conflict, and Obama needs Congressional approval, anyway. The other predicts that since Obama's poll numbers are "in a tailspin-watch for him to launch a strike in Iran or Libya. He is desperate.".
 

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The strikes were a joint UK, France, and America operation. Why does Trump get the sole recognition?
 
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I have the terrible, cynical thought that this is being done simply to distract the public from James Comey’s book being released next Tuesday. And if not that, then to distract us from some other malfeasance. Possibly to make excuses to delay next fall’s elections indefinitely.

I used to think such sorts of beliefs were absurd and paranoid, but this White House has sunk to such depths of depravity, selfishness, and pettiness (does no Congressional Republican remember their oath to uphold the Constitution, that the President is a public servant, not the Big Man Boss of Everybody?) that I cannot put anything past it.

It's the Wag the Dog scenario.
 

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You guys must have been watching Rachel Maddow. She said much of the same thing.
Didn't we hear something similar when President Clinton bombed someone during the Monica Lewinski thing?

Yes, and it turned out the GOP trying to make a campaign talking point out of a legit attempt to get Bin Laden and weaken al Qaeda eventually led to the 911 tragedy. You might find Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies an enlightening read. Clarke, by the way, served for more than 30 years under both Republican and Democratic administrations.
 

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I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to James Comey's book.

I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to firing Robert Mueller.

I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to firing Rod Rothenstein.

I don't believe Trump's bombing of Syria is meant as an distraction to the shitstorm swirling around Michael "I Pay Off Porn Stars" Cohen.

I don't believe anyone should go to Las Vegas betting on knowing the madness behind what Donald Trump does, when he does it or why he does it. :rolleyes

This is one horrible reality show we're trapped in with a cray cray White supremacist with baby hands screaming like a banshee driving our bus 90 miles down a twisting mountain road in the dark with rain pissing down and no brakes.

No good can come from any of this.

I can agree with this. I might say taking advantage of a coincidence explained things quite well.
 

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I haven't watched Maddow's show in many months. I don't need a pundit to tell me this action is a bunch of crap designed to bolster the fragile and insatiable ego of Donald Trump. It's not like he has a history of being subtle about such things.

caw

It's the Wag the Dog scenario.
I think it's mixed. Not purely Trump, not purely wag-the-dog and definitely "designed to bolster the fragile and insatiable ego of Donald Trump".

I think it's less planned to wag the dog and more likely something to make Mr T's assaulted ego recover. Big man on campus gives a solemn speech to the world. A bit reminiscent of Bush the Decider relishing in his powerful new position spouting, "I'm a war President," I think.
 

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The strikes were a joint UK, France, and America operation. Why does Trump get the sole recognition?

Pissed as the UK is at Putin, they weren't doing this of their own accord, nor, god knows, was France. Tossing a few missiles under unhinged orange cover, however, meh.

Notice how uninvolved the real leader of Europe was in this.

Was it just last week we were pulling out of Syria? It's so hard to keep track of random ramblings of someone with no earthly idea what's going on.
 

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Pissed as the UK is at Putin, they weren't doing this of their own accord, nor, god knows, was France. Tossing a few missiles under unhinged orange cover, however, meh.

Notice how uninvolved the real leader of Europe was in this.

Was it just last week we were pulling out of Syria? It's so hard to keep track of random ramblings of someone with no earthly idea what's going on.

If France is siding with America on this, you know the strikes have merit. The villain is the despot leader of Syria who used chemical weapons on his own people. Chemical warfare is serious business. The Syrian leader made a decision, and the UK, France, and America, jointly, made a stand against the use of chemical weapons on Syrian people.
 

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I'm getting an Iraq 2.0 vibe from this whole thing.
 

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If France is siding with America on this, you know the strikes have merit. The villain is the despot leader of Syria who used chemical weapons on his own people. Chemical warfare is serious business. The Syrian leader made a decision, and the UK, France, and America, jointly, made a stand against the use of chemical weapons on Syrian people.

I don't know why something has merit because France is involved.

Regardless, I don't think anyone is arguing Assad is a good guy, but this has shit all to do with Assad, or his use of chemical weapons. Assad has been waging war on his own people, and using chemical weapons on them, for quite some time. Remember when Hillary advocated air strikes back when she was SoS? Remember how the GOP said Hillary shouldn't be president because she'd be dangerous, doing things like striking Syria?

Bill Maher just said this is called Operation Desert Stormy. Sounds about right.
 

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I don't know why something has merit because France is involved.

Regardless, I don't think anyone is arguing Assad is a good guy, but this has shit all to do with Assad, or his use of chemical weapons. Assad has been waging war on his own people, and using chemical weapons on them, for quite some time. Remember when Hillary advocated air strikes back when she was SoS? Remember how the GOP said Hillary shouldn't be president because she'd be dangerous, doing things like striking Syria?

Bill Maher just said this is called Operation Desert Stormy. Sounds about right.

Based on previous use of chemical weapons against Syrians, and information from last week's attacks against the Syrian people, France chose to stand with the UK and America on this. Based on past relations issues between our countries, the strikes must have significant merit if France supports America on this operation.

Didn't Maher throw out a racial slur last year? I hold no value in his attention-grabbing verbiage.
 

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Based on previous use of chemical weapons against Syrians, and information from last week's attacks against the Syrian people, France chose to stand with the UK and America on this. Based on past relations issues between our countries, the strikes must have significant merit if France supports America on this operation.

Didn't Maher throw out a racial slur last year? I hold no value in his attention-grabbing verbiage.

I still don't understand what would make France a big arbiter of this. They're going along to get along, imo.

The day comics can't joke...
 

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I still don't understand what would make France a big arbiter of this. They're going along to get along, imo.

The day comics can't joke...

France joining the joint effort added merit, more than just America and the UK launching the strikes, because of France's past distancing itself from American activities. If France is willing to step up to the plate on this, at least in my view, the operation has more meaning behind it (and shows that Trump is not acting alone in this operation).

In today's age, use of the N-word, to the public, is something a white comic should not joke about. His circus show has too much shock value for me (at least his choice of words).
 

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France joining the joint effort added merit, more than just America and the UK launching the strikes, because of France's past distancing itself from American activities. If France is willing to step up to the plate on this, at least in my view, the operation has more meaning behind it (and shows that Trump is not acting alone in this operation).

In today's age, use of the N-word, to the public, is something a white comic should not joke about. His circus show has too much shock value for me (at least his choice of words).

Which activities has France distanced itself from? It bombed Iraq, Syria, Libya...

He referred to himself as a house nigger, in response to a joking comment, but I don't really think there's anything people shouldn't joke about.