So who else has had Michael Wolff's book on pre-order like forever? Just got the email saying it's on its way 
Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House
- Thread starter mccardey
- Start date
It's been round the clock news over here. I believe I now know most of what is in it. No surprises but 45 is certainly annoyed.
- Joined
- Jul 11, 2012
- Messages
- 16,171
- Reaction score
- 3,734
I so want to read it, and believe every trashy little word, though I'm aware of Wolff's rep, which makes me wary, but STILL. It's so soothing-seeming.
Don't worry about the book being vanquished.
To get the book pulled they'd have to sue and be able to prove it was libelous -- or, really, best case scenario for them, get some judge someplace to issue an injunction stopping sales, but that'd only last until the publisher appealed the injunction -- it'd be a stretch to find a multiplicity of federal judges willing to fuck around like that.
Aside from that Wolff says he has tapes of a lot of stuff, Trump and co. would have to, in open court, argue that specific things like that X said he's a moron, are completely untrue, and that the claim will cause harm to Trump's reputation (which... hah). Even if they were willing to do that, which I'd wager a ton they're not, they'd then have to either find a shitton of said claims to be untrue, or convince a judge that the one or two claims they proved outweighed the right to publish the book, instead of, say, issuing a retraction and removing the offending comment on reprint. In other words, the book is safe.
It's VERY hard in this country to stop someone from publishing something. Even concerns that have repeatedly lost libel suits, like the National Enquirer, are still up and running, because the First Amendment says "... congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of... the press." It's judicial gospel, bless our prescient founders.
Don't worry about the book being vanquished.
To get the book pulled they'd have to sue and be able to prove it was libelous -- or, really, best case scenario for them, get some judge someplace to issue an injunction stopping sales, but that'd only last until the publisher appealed the injunction -- it'd be a stretch to find a multiplicity of federal judges willing to fuck around like that.
Aside from that Wolff says he has tapes of a lot of stuff, Trump and co. would have to, in open court, argue that specific things like that X said he's a moron, are completely untrue, and that the claim will cause harm to Trump's reputation (which... hah). Even if they were willing to do that, which I'd wager a ton they're not, they'd then have to either find a shitton of said claims to be untrue, or convince a judge that the one or two claims they proved outweighed the right to publish the book, instead of, say, issuing a retraction and removing the offending comment on reprint. In other words, the book is safe.
It's VERY hard in this country to stop someone from publishing something. Even concerns that have repeatedly lost libel suits, like the National Enquirer, are still up and running, because the First Amendment says "... congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of... the press." It's judicial gospel, bless our prescient founders.
- Joined
- Nov 5, 2006
- Messages
- 17,873
- Reaction score
- 4,664
- Location
- dunking doughnuts at Dunkin' Donuts
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2011
- Messages
- 11,748
- Reaction score
- 12,190
- Location
- Atherton Tablelands
- Website
- snailseyeview.medium.com
At this stage I wouldn't be surprised Wikileaks doc omitted all definite and indefinite articles.
Mind you, I was surprised at how many people fell for Ben Ward's (@pixelatedboat) 'excerpt'.
https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/949100087350710272
I'm half and half with Trump, I neither despise nor delight in his reign, but I do find it equal measure terrifying and amusing that he called himself a ''stable genius'', regarding the Fire and Fury *crosses arms soberly* I found it a poor attempt at echoing Truman with his rain of ruin prophecy, the world has seen what these things can do at this point, Kim and his crew of miscreants know damn well what they're rolling the dice against, fire and fury do not intimdate them and Trump needs to drop the strongman act and focus on what will jostle their applecart.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2011
- Messages
- 11,748
- Reaction score
- 12,190
- Location
- Atherton Tablelands
- Website
- snailseyeview.medium.com
If there is, jostling it isn't a good idea. There's such a thing as asymmetrical costermongering.
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2011
- Messages
- 11,748
- Reaction score
- 12,190
- Location
- Atherton Tablelands
- Website
- snailseyeview.medium.com
There's a snozzberrycart, we're just not seeing the shelves nor the shavings to be had, there's a method to the madness, we're just not looking hard enough.
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2011
- Messages
- 11,748
- Reaction score
- 12,190
- Location
- Atherton Tablelands
- Website
- snailseyeview.medium.com
I have no idea what most of that means, but if you're suggesting that this whole inglorious cock up is masterful planning and a cunning strategy by a man who is, like, really smart and a stable genius, then I...just...can't...
One of Donald's propagandists appeared on CNN and denounced Bannon's statements in the book while simultaneously claiming the book is full of lies. Since he couldn't be bothered to clarify what in the book was fact and what was fiction, as he was invited to do, I'm just going to assume that the book is largely full of true statements.
I think people want to believe that there is some sort of method to his madness, because while it's a horrible thought to think that a machiavellian villain is at the helm, it's worse to know that a complete and utter idiot was elected to the highest office in the world.
- Joined
- May 1, 2007
- Messages
- 10,839
- Reaction score
- 2,426
- Location
- St. John, Kansas
- Website
- shakey6wordsmith.webs.com
I think the book would be an interesting read, but don't need it to convince me DJT never should have been elected. His years of sexism, racism and bombastic BS did that long before he announced his candidacy. And his mocking of Serge Kovaleski sealed it. How anyone supported him after that is beyond me.
- Joined
- Jul 11, 2012
- Messages
- 16,171
- Reaction score
- 3,734
I so don't want to go down this path. Can we please return to electing qualified people?
Because unfortunately, there are people who actually see that as funny rather than cruel and disgusting. The sort of people who hang around the school bully and snicker when he beats up smaller kids.
In other news: Wikileaks (which has ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY no connection with Putin and through Putin, Trump) decided to make a pirated version available, even though it's scarcely the sort of "leak" they normally go for, being a freely published work. This has ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY no intent of sabotaging F&F's time on the best-seller list.
I was rewatching Winter Soldier, and wishing if we had to have someone trying to take over the country, why couldn't it be someone like Alexander Pierce, who at least was trying to establish order out of a warped sense of concern for the world (not to mention having the brains and cojones to try to achieve his goals) than a petulant manchild.