Here's a link to a book review "Antisemitism and THE GIRL WHO WOULDN"T DIE". I warn you that it's a long post. That post, though, hits on almost everything an author can get wrong from historical inaccuracies in depicting the environment and setting to what it really meant to be there to the language used in characterization. And it clearly and specifically addresses the harm that can be caused through shoddy writing. I was aghast and I'm pretty sure you will be, too. This . . . this is what we want to avoid when writing about cultures not our own.
Here's a link to a book review "Antisemitism and THE GIRL WHO WOULDN"T DIE". I warn you that it's a long post. That post, though, hits on almost everything an author can get wrong from historical inaccuracies in depicting the environment and setting to what it really meant to be there to the language used in characterization. And it clearly and specifically addresses the harm that can be caused through shoddy writing. I was aghast and I'm pretty sure you will be, too. This . . . this is what we want to avoid when writing about cultures not our own.
Yeah. 'How bad could it be?' I said. BAD. It can be VERY BAD. How does something so belligerently clueless get published?
Yeah. 'How bad could it be?' I said. BAD. It can be VERY BAD. How does something so belligerently clueless get published?
How did the editor (or agent, if applicable) not pick up on any of these problems?
Maybe the acquiring agent, on actually reading what they'd bought, faked their own death and high-tailed it for the border.The acquiring agent later left the publisher; so it was an orphan book. I do not know who the acquiring editor was, but I too am curious on the level of WTF were you thinking?
This, exactly. If your perspective is that you shouldn't be held responsible for what your ancestors did, as if it's not still happening, you're too ignorant to write about the subject.
I’ve been meaning to ask a few specific questions for some time now, and this looks like a terrific opportunity to do so. As a sort of sub-topic of this fascinating thread. I hope they won’t be too much of a bother. It really is time to zero in a bit into specific concepts, I believe, in order to work out the exact mechanics there.
Question 1: Suppose one lives in Canada, but is first generation Canada-born, and one’s ancestors are from Slovakia. Does one then imagine out of a sense of communion that olden Slovakia had oppressed native Canadians? Or is one exempt from the inherited racial guilt? Or is it more of a having the right skin color in the wrong place thing and the guilt is not genetic or national, but more epidermal?
Question 2: Suppose one is not a Slovak, but solid Canadian stock since at least the late 1700’s, and say Welsh-Cumbrian from before that. Yet none of one’s Canadian ancestors oppressed anyone. Some of them tended animals, others worked in townships, but not one of them has ever oppressed in any way a native Canadian. Now, does this lack of a direct lineage to an oppressor shield one from the inherited stain, or is it not a question so much of direct genetic inheritance, but more of a quantum mutual-influence thing? As in—X number of your ethnicity has done a bad thing, and therefore your genes are affected too? If yes—is there a specific number of ethnicity members that have to do the bad thing until you’re tainted too? Or, going further still--do country borders stop it? If you are of the "guilty ethnicity", but have never set foot in the country in which the crimes took place, do you only become guilty once you cross the border?
Question 3: In case it’s not a quantum genetic sympathy thing, but a direct descendant thing. Suppose one’s direct ancestor was responsible for oppressing or even massacring native Canadians back in 1824. Is this family curse forever, or not? If not—is there a specific number of generations after which it is lifted, or is the a percentage of blood-mixing after which the family is no longer the original one and the curse no longer works, or is it there forever in anyone who has any connection to the original ancestor, until a specific act of reparation is carried out? If it’s the reparation thing—does one descendant doing it fix things, or do all the descendant have to do this? And also—just once, or annually?
Question 4: Is this only a thing to do with other ethnicities? If, for example, one is white, from Scottish stock, and one’s great-grandmother was an ax murderer, but only killed Scottish stock whites from her own village—does that mean you also have to feel guilty about it even now? Or is it less generationally contagious if the victims are from your own ethnicity? When does it become a generational crime against other ethnicities—if it’s not the same sub-branch of white but a different type of white (for example Celts killing Slavs), or only if it’s a totally different skin color and culture?
Question 5: If it’s possible to be guilty but not have done anything bad yourself, is it then also possible to be awesome by remote influence? If the bad deeds of one’s ancestor make ‘guilt points’ for the descendant, do the good deeds make ‘awesome points’? If yes—how many ‘awesome points’ make the ‘guilt points’ go away?
Question 6: Leaving ancestors alone and shifting to the here and now. Suppose one’s cousin works in a corporation that pollutes native Canadian land. Does that make one guilty by association or by shared genome? What purification ritual should be done to scrub clean the stain on one character? Or is the whole clan cursed from now on? Or the whole ethnos?
Thank you very much in advance should answers be forthcoming, have a nice weekend.
I invite nighttimer to also meditate on these questions, as the user also sounds perhaps representative of a certain school of thought on the subject.
EDIT: We live in times in which it is expected to wear allegiances on one's sleeve. I'm progressive. Been zooming deep into the mechanics of any issue ever since the obligatory breakdowns after high school.
So tired of authors using WWII as their playground, as if it was something that didn't really happen. Sometimes it's not this egregious. But all of it cheapens. WWII and Nazis are not "instant drama, just add water." Write with respect for the real human beings it happened to, or go somewhere else and make your own drama.
Out of curiosity, what were your issues with Mulan?
I don't mean for this to be cultural mansplaining. These are NOT rhetorical questions, I am really curious what people who feel their culture is being stolen think.
Two things:
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Why are people who want to restrict culture spread given priority? There are people of marginalized and minority cultures who actively try to spread their cultures. They want it to be including in the melting pot, so to speak. Don't those people have a right to promote that since it is their culture too?
Here are a couple I know of: Native American jewelry making, pottery, and dance classes, all run by Native Americans. Ceremonies and events where the public is invited and they tell stories to the children. Are the kids supposed to then forget it? What was the point of telling them if not to spread the knowledge and themes?
There have been a number of books and documentaries collecting stories and songs that were willingly shared by all sorts of cultures, not just Native Americans or Africans. How does someone else have the right to take back what they shared? When one member of a group calls it cultural appropriation and another cultural diversity, who gets to decide which is correct?
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I suppose the other question is, how can something as nebulous and ever-shifting as "culture" ever be expected to remain locked up at all? If someone grows up or lives a long time in close relation to a minority, can they not call that their culture even if it isn't in their blood? They don't know all the ins and outs, but it has certainly played a role in their life. What about the reverse, when a native by blood lives most of their life in a big city? Where do you draw the line and say you need to understand this much or have lived it this long? Most people don't understand half their own culture.
It seems like people try so hard to stop the spread, which results in most good, honest people who would try to be respectful and well-rounded (but sometimes fail) saying "okay, we'll wait," and then jerks who could care less show up and turn out failed caricatures on purpose. And that is what ends up spreading. Que the cliche. You can't hold back the ocean, so why don't you channel it and help other people channel it in a positive direction?
If a people walled themselves off from the world, fine. Removing things in that case would be theft. If people want to remain part of the modern world, cultural drift and sharing and mixing is part of that. That is how the world functions most peacefully and how wars are stopped before they start, which with the state of the world is saying something. Even if there were some magical way to re-segregate the world and wall off huge sections for minorities where no culture went in or out and everyone had more room than they needed, how many would honestly want it, knowing how much diversity lay outside their walls? My guess is that it would be a minority of the minority. But I don't know, I'm not really qualified to guess.
Actually, just thought of a third. How does discrimination (which most people agree is bad) relate to cultural appropriation?
I'm relatively new to the cultural appropriation thing so I might be missing some important aspects, in which case I am happy to learn.
It IS about who has the right to decide which cultural elements should be shared and how those elements are to be shared.