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I hated Spectre and I so wanted to love it. One of my favorite film complaints, though, was a bitch I had over the jittercam in Quantum of Solace. I told my friend, who had not yet seen it, "You'll need to bring a laser pointer to count elbows and knees. Otherwise, you'll be convinced that James Bond just spent the last two two hours kicking his own ass."

Quantum of So-What?
was wretched as well as doomed and one reason is it was rushed into production before the 2007 writer's strike crippled film production. Quantum was the proof of how crippling with Daniel Craig himself admitting the film was "fucked" and he ended up doing some of the rewrites himself.

There's no doubt about it, Daniel Craig is one of the best actors to have ever worn the 007 mantle. And as the lead in the "Casino Royale," an entry which in many ways revitalized the franchise and brought it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, Craig gave us the grittiest take we'd seen on the world famous spy yet. That was followed up quickly with "Quantum of Solace" two years later, and to put it kindly, it was a much lesser effort.


Written by director Marc Forster, Michael G. Wilson and finally Paul Haggis, the script literally arrived two hours before the the start of the 2007/2008 Writer's Guild strike. And according to Daniel Craig in a recent interview with Time Out London, that left the production in the lurch as nothing else could be done to fine tune the script.


"On 'Quantum,' we were fucked," he said plainly. "We had the bare bones of a script and then there was a writers’ strike and there was nothing we could do. We couldn’t employ a writer to finish it. I say to myself, 'Never again,' but who knows? There was me trying to rewrite scenes – and a writer I am not.’"


Pressed about his involvement on writing scenes for 'Solace,' Craig reveals that there was really no other option, and adds an interesting tidbit that originally, the film wasn't supposed to connect to "Casino Royale" much at all. "Me and the director [Marc Forster] were the ones allowed to do it. The rules were that you couldn’t employ anyone as a writer, but the actor and director could work on scenes together," he explained. "We were stuffed. We got away with it, but only just. It was never meant to be as much of a sequel as it was, but it ended up being a sequel, starting where the last one finished."

I have little doubt the Q of S fiasco contributed to Craig souring on the role.
 

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Wow. I was going to say Idris Elba is too old to start a new Bond run, but he's only 42. I can't believe it. I thought he was pushing 40 when he was on The Wire. Also, I'd love to see Ian Fleming's ghost if they cast a black James Bond. His transparent top hat might flip right off his head.
 

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Imagine what it'd do if this happened.

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Just an update to an old thread, mostly so I can take credit for being right:
Well, it seems to me that another choice here would be just continuing the franchise, but with a new agent who takes over the 007 spot when Bond retires (or is killed). That agent could be a woman and could carve out her own persona from the get-go. There could still be Bond-esque elements, just no more actual Bond. How is that for a solution?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/15/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-daniel-craig

While Daniel Craig is set to reprise his role as James Bond in the next film, the franchise is set for a shake-up, with reports claiming that black British actor Lashana Lynch has been cast as 007 – taking over Bond’s secret agent number after his character leaves M16...

[FONT=&quot]“There is a pivotal scene at the start of the film where M says, “Come in 007”, and in walks Lashana who is black, beautiful and a woman,” the source said. “It’s a popcorn-dropping moment. Bond is still Bond but he’s been replaced as 007.”[/FONT]
 

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Oh wow, I hadn't thought of that. I hope that doesn't happen, as well.

We'll see, you'd have to be pretty clueless to hype up & reap the whirlwind of a change like this just to shift back to the status quo at the last minute. I really hope they commit to making it stick.

BTW, since it always comes up eventually, Idris is probably too old to play either Bond or Bruce Wayne at this point. I say cast him in a Prisoner reboot.
 

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Don't know why they don't just grow the "Bond Universe" in the same way as Marvel has. True, most of the characters in the MCU have been played by the same character throughout. But I don't see why they can't continue with James Bond as 007 in a traditional mould and then have Idris Elba, Gillian Anderson, Stephen Fry, insert name here as additional "00" agents - there are after all, presumably at least 6 more agents?

It would mean more (hopefully good) movies, more variety, the opportunity for crossover and no one gets bent out of shape because their beloved character has changed completely.
 

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Don't know why they don't just grow the "Bond Universe" in the same way as Marvel has. True, most of the characters in the MCU have been played by the same character throughout. But I don't see why they can't continue with James Bond as 007 in a traditional mould and then have Idris Elba, Gillian Anderson, Stephen Fry, insert name here as additional "00" agents - there are after all, presumably at least 6 more agents?

It would mean more (hopefully good) movies, more variety, the opportunity for crossover and no one gets bent out of shape because their beloved character has changed completely.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think a "Bond Universe" makes sense, at all. It's just not that interesting or that original of a universe. There's not room for a cadre of 00 agents, each facing their own evil genius in one fantastical plot after another. There's room for continuing the franchise, however, which is what seems to be the goal of this latest film.
 

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From reports it seems that the latest Bond film starts with Bond coming out of retirement and working with a black woman who takes over the 007 license-to-kill gig.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/15/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-daniel-craig

I'm a little skeptical, but then I thought Gal Gadot was a bad choice to take over the Wonder Woman role. Now I can't imagine anyone else playing it.

I'll be in the theaters the day of the premiere and decide for myself if I like the results, not what some lame critics or loser dweebs like.
 
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It could be good. I love Bond but lost interest during the Craig years, though I do appreciate how they get into the inherent ugliness of who he is, what he does, and what he represents. But they've been exploring that in some way or another for a long time now, and at least since Goldeneye they've been playing with his irrelevancy. But, for me, heaviness doesn't always suit Bond, and I'd like to get back to the zaniness of the Roger Moore days. And maybe you can't do that with the Bond character anymore, but you can work within his milieu.
 
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Erm, Idris Elba is 5 years younger than Daniel Craig!

r-really?

*looks it up*

Well I'll be. Though certainly older than Craig when he started. I suppose I don't see Elba starting a franchise series at this point so I still think it's a 'what could have been'. 3+ movies is a loooong commitment.

But if anyone wants to cast him in order the spite me, I would consider that a pretty good own. :) Same goes for with Bruce Wayne, which I never hear about in any casting rumors anywhere but want to turn into a thing.
 

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...if anyone wants to cast him [Elba as Bond] in order the spite me, I would consider that a pretty good own.

A smart director can cast someone few people would think right for a part and make it work. A terrific actor/actress is a polymorph who can take on just about any role.