Hillary Clinton Wins Kentucky Primary

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So, assuming that as Donald has proclaimed, Bernie is done, does the question of who will occupy the oval office next year largely come down to how his supporters will vote in November? I'm inclined to believe that it does. My bet is that after the convention, Bernie will do all that is in his power to guide his supporters towards Hillary, and that will be enough to put her over the top. Not to say that it's not a concern, I think it is. But, what I believe, what I hope, is that there are more of us who will vote for Hillary than will not.
 

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So, assuming that as Donald has proclaimed, Bernie is done, does the question of who will occupy the oval office next year largely come down to how his supporters will vote in November? I'm inclined to believe that it does. My bet is that after the convention, Bernie will do all that is in his power to guide his supporters towards Hillary, and that will be enough to put her over the top. Not to say that it's not a concern, I think it is. But, what I believe, what I hope, is that there are more of us who will vote for Hillary than will not.
Unfortunately, I see a problem with that.

As I said before, the narrative of late from the Sanders campaign has been that Hillary and the Democratic Party are crooked and have been unfair to Sanders and basically have stolen the nomination from him. Ordinarily, primary voters would go to the winner of the nominating contest as Hillary voters eventually went with Obama. But if you believe that your candidate deserved to win and only lost because of crooked dealings, I don't see how you could switch to the winning candidate, i.e.,Hillary.

I am quite sure that Sanders will encourage his voters to vote for Hillary, but I think an awful lot of them won't listen to him.

On the other side of the aisle, I think Donald Trump will lose less republican voters than originally was expected. Just as the GOP establishment is falling in line behind him, so will the majority of Republican voters, even if they don't like him. And whatever portion he does lose will be more than made up for by a large turnout of people who never bothered to vote before.

People who have had no interest in politics, believe politics is all crap, and who have never paid any attention will be coming out of the woodwork to vote for strongman Donald Trump. His lack of policy specifics, his gaffes, his racist and misogynist worldview -- none of will make the slightest difference to them. In fact, it will encourage even more of them to come out and vote.

I still think Hillary will win the election – but it's going to be a very close call, and I wouldn't put money on it either way.
 

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I actually think Trump has a chance to win in November - history is against Clinton (it is extremely rare for one party to hold the White House for 12 consecutive years); she is not a great campaigner and, like Trump, has high negatives; a significant number of Sanders voters may stay home; the negative ads against her will be equally as damaging as the negative ads against Trump; Clinton fatigue; a Johnson-Weld Libertarian ticket may take more votes from her than Trump.
Her advantage is the Electoral College where the Dems have a built-in advantage.
But this year has been totally unpredictable, so, like rugcat, I wouldn't put money on it either way.
 

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Unfortunately, I see a problem with that. (...)

I still think Hillary will win the election – but it's going to be a very close call, and I wouldn't put money on it either way.

I think she'll win, too, but I agree that it is going to be very close. The way Sanders handled this question when it was initially posed something along the lines of, 'It's up to Hillary to win my supporters over.' Since then, he's addressed more along the lines of a promise to do all he can to make sure that a Republican is not the next president.

What I'm guessing, is that Bernie knows better than anyone how slim-to-none hi chances are at this point, but regardless he will take this to the convention. First, I think he feels he owes that to his supporters, and second, I think he wants to keep his issues on the table. One thing for certain is he's had a profound effect on the discussion, really on both sides of the aisle, but especially on the Democratic side. So what becomes very interesting, I think, is how this plays out after Bernie does concede. Will Hillary move to the middle leading up to the general, the way that a Dem candidate typically would? Or, will she be forced to move over to the left to do what she can to win as many of bernie's supporters over as she can? That will be tough to do. And, interestingly, how will that affect where Trump goes? He's already trying to grab some of Bernie's people--his message has always been that he's the anti-establishment GOP candidate, so he might think it's a shorter walk over to his side, than over to Hillary's.
 

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I am also not entirely sure that Sanders doesn't secretly harbor "It's got to get worse before it gets better" sentiments, not atypical of socialists and other would-be revolutionaries - i.e., he may really believe that it would be better for Trump to win and show everybody just how bad it can get so next time around they'll elect him (or another socialist), rather than allowing Hillary to just keep on doing business as usual.

I am sure he'd never admit this, since it would absolutely end his political career, but it's not hard to see that attitude lurking beneath the surface.