Another shoot-up at a health centre in San Bernadino, California

Fuck.

My brother just texted me:

MASS SHOOTING IN SAN BERNADINO. EARLY REPORTS 20 INJURED 12 DEAD. POSSIBLY MORE THAN ONE SHOOTER WITH LONG RIFLES.

What the fuck is happening?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...ino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html

The Inland Regional Center provides services to disabled people and others in need.


The organization's website states: "Inland Regional Center was built on the foundation of three core values – independence, inclusion, and empowerment. In following these core values, we hope to help provide each individual with a service system that helps identify and eliminate barriers for individuals with developmental disabilities and their families so they can closely live a typical lifestyle."

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ETA: Three shooters are being sought, according to one article I read.

Welcome to America.

Where at any time, anywhere, someone with a weapon can shoot the place up. Because, ya know, Second Amendment and all.

There's been more than one a day this year. THIS YEAR.

Tell me again about how important it is to have gun ownership. Especially of AK-47's and the like?

Horrible. How do 3 people find each other and think this is a good idea?!

More guns would probably fix it.

20 wounded in shooting San Bernardino

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...ino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html

The story is developing, but there are reports of heavily armored police in the area doing a door to door search as the multiple suspects are still at large.

existing thread here: http://absolutewrite.com/forums/sho...t-a-health-centre-in-San-Bernadino-California

3 white guys with guns, according to this early report.

ColoradoGuy said:

What fresh hell is this? Who would shoot up a facility like that?

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I wish I didn't keep thinking of Trump's recent faux pas regarding a disabled person.

Another predictable and indiscriminate shooting by suicidal perpetrators. How is this different to terrorism?

If this is the same as the regular mass US shootings, it will be treated like an isolated incident and quickly dismissed and forgotten by everyone not involved. But if the shooters were 'of middle- eastern appearance' there would be a hugely different response. So much for homeland security.

Sheryl Nantus said:

There's been more than one a day this year. THIS YEAR.

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screenscope said:

Another predictable and indiscriminate shooting by suicidal perpetrators. How is this different to terrorism?

If this is the same as the regular mass US shootings, it will be treated like an isolated incident and quickly dismissed and forgotten by everyone not involved. But if the shooters were 'of middle- eastern appearance' there would be a hugely different response. So much for homeland security.

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I think we're beyond isolated incidents and into the realm of common, day-to-day events. Which is why they get dismissed and forgotten so quickly now.

If you want to take FEMA's course in what to do in an active shooter situation, it's available for free here:

https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-907

Sheryl Nantus said:

Welcome to America.

Where at any time, anywhere, someone with a weapon can shoot the place up. Because, ya know, Second Amendment and all.

There's been more than one a day this year. THIS YEAR.

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No lie. There Have Been More Mass Shootings in 2015 Than Days of the Year.

Here's the scary thing: This was no "lone wolf" b.s. These guys were strapped to the max and they were on a mission.

That means organization and purpose. What else it means is a serious matter for law enforcement.

screenscope said:

Another predictable and indiscriminate shooting by suicidal perpetrators. How is this different to terrorism?

If this is the same as the regular mass US shootings, it will be treated like an isolated incident and quickly dismissed and forgotten by everyone not involved. But if the shooters were 'of middle- eastern appearance' there would be a hugely different response. So much for homeland security.

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They do not appear to be suicidal, as they booked it away from the scene in a pre-planned manner. If they're caught and surrounded, who knows, but this wasn't people going in expecting not to walk out, or taking people out with them.

ShaunHorton said:

I think we're beyond isolated incidents and into the realm of common, day-to-day events. Which is why they get dismissed and forgotten so quickly now.

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I don't think that's the only reason they get forgotten. It's also because in the US, the media just isn't allowed to call out right wing, white, christain extremist as extremist.

The police chief involved is calling this an act of domestic terrorism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ernadino-calif-responding-report-of-shooting/

nighttimer said:

My brother just texted me:

MASS SHOOTING IN SAN BERNADINO. EARLY REPORTS 20 INJURED 12 DEAD. POSSIBLY MORE THAN ONE SHOOTER WITH LONG RIFLES.

What the fuck is happening?

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This is what we get when we don't take domestic terrorism seriously.

A DD Regional Center? I've been to lots and lots of meetings in regional centers. There's nothing controversial going on in them. Maybe it's a workplace shooter with a couple of friends? Struggling to find the political angle that would make it a terrorist event.

Shadow Dragon said:

I don't think that's the only reason they get forgotten. It's also because in the US, the media just doesn't seem allowed to call out right wing, white, christain extremist as extremist.

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Kind of painting with broad strokes, aren't you? No one has clue one about their political leanings, if any.

ETA: I'm a right-wing Christian, and I've never killed anyone (nor do I plan to).

Gravity said:

Kind of painting with broad strokes, aren't you? No one has clue one about their political leanings, if any.

ETA: I'm a right-wing Christian, and I've never killed anyone (nor do I plan to).

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Nope. Shooters of this kind invariably espouse extreme versions of right-wing Christian ideals when questioned on the matter. It is so common that if they were Muslim we would be referring to them as Jihadist, especially if they were Middle Eastern. The least we can do if we aren't going to fix whatever has gone all wacky this year for future generations is to say it like it is. A Christian extremist is no better than a Muslim one.

That said, we don't yet what they're religious/politcal leanings are. But I won't be suprised if that's what they turn out to.

At least someone seems to have been found - a well shot-up SUV with what looks like a body in it and a foot pursuit/search in progress.