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http://www.i2ipublishing.co.uk/

It's red flag time again, gang! A Google ad drew my attention to this UK-based publisher, and I don't think they're going to be grateful.

Book Publishers to a World of new Writers

An Invitation to Aspiring New Authors: from Lionel Ross

A website aimed at writers instead of readers is never a good sign. Without reading any further, something tells me that Mr Ross started the business because it's practically impossible for new writers to get published.

i2i Publishing was founded by Lionel Ross who is himself a published author. He knows, only too well, the almost impossible task confronting a new author when he seeks to find a publisher.

Told you so! And Mr Ross' first book, Fine Feathers, was released by PublishAmerica in 2005 and "received considerable criticial acclaim", according to his Amazon page. It has now been republished by i2i and joined seven other books by Mr Ross in the company's catalogue.

Writers devote months and years of their lives to crafting and creating books devoted to the education and entertainment of unseen others. They then discover that their beloved manuscript is just a piece of often worthless merchandise in the eyes of the vast majority of publishers.

There's a brutally simple reason for this: most of the manuscripts received by publishers are unpublishable. It doesn't matter how many months or years someone devotes to their work, or how much they (or their family and friends) love it. If a publisher doesn't think it's saleable it won't be published.

New authors receive countless numbers of rejection letters from the mainstream publishers who prefer to play it safe with either established authors or celebrity authored books.

Nonsense. Ten minutes in any branch of Waterstones should be enough to dispel this silly myth. How does Mr Ross think the established authors got started? And new writers who receive "countless numbers" of rejection letters would be well-advised to ask themselves why. Golden Word Sydrome? Dunning-Kruger effect? Sending your novel to publishers who specialize in other genres? The least likely reason is that the writer has produced a masterpiece which is rejected by the evil publishing cartel because they can only be bothered with established bestselling authors and celebs.

Finally new writers turn in desperation to the so-called Vanity market. There they are promised, in return for vast sums of money, that their book will be published.

This isn't the only way modern vanity presses operate.

Now there is another way, the i2i way.We DO ask for a small financial contribution towards costs but only on a SHARED RISK basis. And our prices are very low. We know from personal experience that most new authors are not 'made of money.'

This is one of the ways. It's still vanity publishing, and thanks to POD and e-books the publisher isn't taking much of a risk. There are no prices on the website.

We are NOT a self-publishing organisation - rather a partnership between Author and Publisher and where your book, if accepted, will have an internationally recognised imprint - i2i

No, i2i isn't a self-publishing organisation - it's a vanity press. And I'm willing to bet that i2i is unknown to the world of real publishing.

We are currently accepting submissions in the following genres:

FICTION: HISTORY: SHORT STORIES: BIOGRAPHY: CHILDREN'S BOOKS: LIFE-STYLE (Self-help) POETRY.

So i2i publishes almost everything including poetry? Another red flag.

Why not fill in the form below to tell us about your work?
(It costs nothing to enquire and it may be the way to make your dream come true.)

Publishers are in the business of selling books to readers, not making writers' dreams come true.

Our satisfied clients can confirm the loving care we give their manuscripts-ask us to quote and look forward to seeing your book on bookshop shelves and on the websites of electronic booksellers.

Many of i2i's book on Amazon.co.uk have a Look Inside feature, which unfortunately reveals that most of them aren't edited to anything approaching a professional standard. The most basic errors haven't been corrected:

"I'll phone a back specialist now," the doctor said, "Because he will be able to advise you about how to correct this abnormality,"
"Thank you," John replied, "And please can you book the appointment for as soon as possible because I need to be on top form for the UK Championship in a fortnight."

He was a stand up comedian and had been a comedian so it seemed, all his life; class clown, work fool anything for a joke.

"Probably some poor soul looking for help," Jacob sighed pulling, himself somewhat wearily out of his chair.

Well, you get the picture. I find it hard to believe that books of this quality get bookstore placement, and the dismal rankings of the older ones suggest that sales are poor.

Oh, and a name very familiar from the old PublishAmerica threads turns up a couple of times in the reviews...
 
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The website hurts my eyes just to look at it.

WARNING: i2i's website is a model of understated good taste compared to that of the publisher I'm going to look at next. Have your sunglasses ready!
 

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I've had some brief dealings with Lionel. It is a pay to publish company which I was thinking of using. Mostly because I'm struggling to find an agent and editor and don't mind paying for the things that I have no idea how to go about. He initially said he would only publish my book if it was edited to remove the 'F' words which he finds distasteful. So, that was that and I sent a polite 'thanks but no thanks' email. (A first for me)

The day after I received a revised email, saying he didn't mean to sound as if he wouldn't publish the book.

In truth he has got openings into WHSsmith and Waterstones. I searched Waterstones for some of his titles, which they had listed, some in stock some not. That is something did attract me to using I2I. In the end it was the lack of a hardback option and that they chose the art work. The art is something thats important to me and I want my book available in hardback.

I found this site after doing search to look up the company, so some good has come from my dealings with them.
 

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I'm always amazed that new writers believe this line by the vanities, that publishers play it safe with established and celeb Authors...
What do these writers think, that as these Authors grow old and die the Publisher is willing to just go out of business???

Wolfhare, do you mean you saw his books IN Waterstones/WHSmith or just their on-line store? Any on-line stores (like amazon) will list anything and everything and that doesn't mean he has any connections with the store chain. A quick look in Waterstones site brings up Publish America's books, for example.
 

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I did an online search on Waterstones/WHSmith sites. A lot of books from I2I were listed, but not all in stock. Some said, in stock. Some were out of stock and some just marked as unavailable. The fact that they marked some as in or out of stock would indicate that they have physical copies available from their own stock.
I believe very little that any publisher or agent tells me, thats why I searched i2i on google and ended up here.
 

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The fact that they marked some as in or out of stock would indicate that they have physical copies available from their own stock.
I believe very little that any publisher or agent tells me, thats why I searched i2i on google and ended up here.

In or out of stock doesn't mean the book store ever carried the books (and I'm sure they don't:)
Your very wise to always be sceptical (about any business) and as you say, that resulted in you landing here and likely saved you from a lot of pain, well done!
 

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No transparency! “Shared risk” is not well explained that you have to pay a large sum for your book for Marketing plus give away a large portion of your shares of your book. But, will they market your book honestly? You need to find this out?

i2i publishing say that they are Hybrid Publishing which means authors will have to pay a couple of thousands in money for Marketing plus give them a good % of shares of author’s book. i2i publishing pay authors 15% for book royalties and they keep 85% which fair to say dwindles away due to costs incurred for your book. They also pay 50% for Kindle and keep 50%. However, this is no different to Vanity Publishing if marketing is not fully carried out to sell your book. For some publishers, marketing money is income/salary for them and will not utilise it fully. This is Vanity Publishing.

When publishing houses ask for money for marketing then questions should be asked WHAT will they do to market the book, and HOW will they do it? Before signing a contract, ask what they will pay if your book becomes a movie, goes into theatre production, or for translations. Be armed with info! Don’t go in blind. And, ask by email so you have it in writing.

Also, authors will not be allowed under contract to talk negatively against the company so you will not find them complaining here. Austin Macauley is one of them. I’ve had dealings with them. I did not sign the contract. They wanted a lot of money in thousands of UK pounds plus 80% shares of my book. I refused and instead self published with Createspace, Amazon subsidiary. Editing was done by professionals who have been to School for Editors, honest and not so expensive. Excellent. Every step of the way there was a survey to fill out where you can speak out against the staff dealing with you.

The only stage which I found difficult to deal with was the Book Cover section. They did not seem to know much about the world outside USA as the book was set outside USA. They then just gave me the reigns to select my own images from the websites they gave me. It worked! Many phone calls from USA too. You fill out a web log form for the phone call. Very up to date tech used.

https://www.createspace.com/
(Createspace has now merged with Amazon KDP. But, on this above website they now have new paid services to self publish your physical book and/or ebook, with their help. But it will also require you to do some work at your end. It is a wonderful journey with fulfilling end results.)

Austin Macauley:
https://absolutewrite.com/forums/sh...Publishers-Ltd-(formerly-Austin-amp-Macauley)
 
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Just FYI, in 2018 CreateSpace was absorbed by Amazon's KDP publishing arm. In other words, it no longer exists.
 

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Wolfhare, do you mean you saw his books IN Waterstones/WHSmith or just their on-line store? Any on-line stores (like amazon) will list anything and everything and that doesn't mean he has any connections with the store chain. A quick look in Waterstones site brings up Publish America's books, for example.

I know a very respectable children's book store that has an excellent selection, nicely categorized, with helpful staff who can advise and help customers, and will order or ship books.

Then, you look at their on-line store. Once it was good, then they changed things and their 'on-line' listings apparently consist of scraping Amazon, or Book Depository. Tons of books in all categories, vast swathes of which have no connection with children. Most marked 'unavailable', 'special order', or 'out of stock', but still there, cluttering up the listings. It's a mess.
There is a huge disconnect between the actual store and the on-line presence.