Reader Members access the service by registering. Upon registering, Reader Members will receive, from time to time, email listings of Queries submitted by Author Members. If a Reader Member has relevant information which he or she believes, in good faith, can assist the Author Member with regard to the specific Query, then the Reader Member may provide that information in response.
I think this bit of their terms and conditions says it all:
An author writes a "query" (I presume it's the equivalent of a back cover blurb) and posts it up. The query is put together with other blurbs on a regular basis and is sent to the mailing list of readers that have likewise registered to receive the newsletters.
From other wording on other pages, it appears they purchase or otherwise "mine" (their wording) data from Amazon.
Depending on how they get the data, it's either a newsletter list or spamming Amazon members. Ultimately, it will depend on the size of that list as to how many people will see your blurb. To me, it's probably another version of YADS (yet another display site). It does have an additional twist where readers can contact the author to offer tips on marketing the book, so I guess that part would depend on the quality of the reader's knowledge on marketing/promotion.
That's not to say all newsletter sites are YADS. I belong to the Coffeetime Romance list, and have my monthly newsletters distributed to their growing email list of romance readers. Good for me, good for readers who are looking for new books, and good for the site that gets exclusive info to share with readers.
But this one? Not sure, but it seems a little "off".
Those words in the terms are simply standard words legal makes you put in
Check out these testimonials from real, top-selling authors.
I went to the testimonial page you linked to and visited the links provided on the page, which was to the book's Amazon page, of the first thirty-seven authors who gave quotes. I only saw one with an Amazon rank below the 100K mark on the Kindle list, and it was a thriller related to the President Kennedy assassination, which is a hot topic right now. I chose to compare the books based on Kindle ranks, since many of them were E-only books.
A couple of the NF books (one was a cookbook, and another a homeschool guide) were doing okay in their specific categories, but were still not much to write home about. Most of the novels were ranked well above a million on the Kindle sales list, which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
So, based on your testimonial clients, what exactly does Author Marketing Club bring to the table for the fairly substantial money paid to you? Because, in reality, the better than $100 purchase price of the premium package every year would spend a large chunk of the profit of a self-pubber starting out.
I've clicked on a few links on the Author Marketing Club's website and every one of them leads me to a page which tells me, "Oops! This page is for members only", or something similar.
While it's free to register and become a member there, if I can't find out more about it without registering, I'm not going to find out more about it.
I've clicked on a few links on the Author Marketing Club's website and every one of them leads me to a page which tells me, "Oops! This page is for members only", or something similar.
While it's free to register and become a member there, if I can't find out more about it without registering, I'm not going to find out more about it.
It's free to become a member. You can access a ton of free stuff just by signing up. Some of our stuff is not protected by the firewall/membership. Come on in and give us a chance.
jimkukral said:We provide tools and promotional opportunities and training
Hi there, I own AMC. Those words in the terms are simply standard words legal makes you put in. We don't do any spamming, or have any intent to do so ever, I hate spam!!!. In fact, you MUST double opt in for our email lists. You'll never get an email you didn't confirm you wanted, and each one has an unsubsrcibe on it.
We run a legit business. No funny stuff. I've built a reputation over 17-years as a Web businessman of integrity. I also hate spammers and scammers. We don't do "get rich quick" kindle junk either. We provide awesome tools and training that are 100% complicit with good ethics and rules of Amazon and others.
Have a question? Please feel free to email me directly anytime at info at authormarketingclub dot com. I'll respond personally. We have over 13,000 members right now. We must be doing something right. Check out these testimonials from real, top selling authors.
http://authormarketingclub.com/members/testimonials/
Jim Kukral
Founder, AMC
Unlike the "get rich quick" folks, we never promise you're going to sell "millions of books". We provide tools and promotional opportunities and training to help you have the opportunity to be successful. I firmly believe that until you have more higher quality reviews, and a better book description for your books (two of the things our core tools provide), you'll have a harder time being "lucky" enough to sell a ton of books.
My point is this. Our site is about helping people have a chance. If all you are looking for is an advertising opportunity then there are way better choices than us. We provide support and tools and guidance that people love and find valuable. Again, I can only go by the testimonials that people send me every single day.
Some authors won't find value in what we do. That's perfectly understandable.
It's free to become a member. You can access a ton of free stuff just by signing up. Some of our stuff is not protected by the firewall/membership. Come on in and give us a chance.
I think the point Old Hack is making is that a lot of people will not delve any deeper into a website that requires registration, free or not, promised goodies or not.
I prefer not to register even on websites I like, let alone ones that are completely unknown to me, until and unless there is a compelling reason to do so. A site that won't let me even see its pages without registering sets off alarm bells, whether that's fair or not.
Just out of curiosity, I googled AMC and found this:
https://kdp.amazon.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=175903
It sounds like AMC may not spam itself, but gives authors the tools with which to do so themselves.
Such as? I couldn't find any specifics on the site. Define "tools." Are we talking about advice? If so, from whom? What are their credentials? If software, is it included in the price or at an additional cost? What kind of training? How to market? How to write? How to format? Again, what are their credentials?
Please don't think we're picking on you unnecessarily. We do this to every company that has a thread here. This thread relates to publishers, but also to agents, display sites and, like your company, author services.
We do so because people with dreams and hopes have the potential to be disappointed, even by good intentions. So we act as a sounding board to discuss the good, and the bad, about everyone out there. Check the forum. We give the same treatment even to the major companies.
It's to your benefit to be open and informative. We welcome companies that offer services to help authors and if you're legitimate and well-serving, and there's no better place to find clients than on our forum--now over 58,000 members strong from all over the globe with constant rankings in the top ten results on all major search engines because of the constant updates.
Hi there, I own AMC. Those words in the terms are simply standard words legal makes you put in.
Understood. We've chosen to require a free registration. We aren't trying to hide anything, it's free. We just chose that business model. I think you'll like what you get for registering.
I signed up for one month of premium AMC, and I love it. The review grabber that was discussed upthread (ShadowWalker) is my favorite perk.
Then I found Author Marketing Club. They have a computer program that does the same thing for me in minutes! It's amazing. It saved me so much time that it easily paid for my one month subscription.
I've also enjoyed training videos about marketing, goodreads for authors, why your book isn't selling etc. There is also a cool program to help you make a widget for your book to put on your site or blog, and another program to help you improve your book blurb for amazon, etc. I love it!
Jim,
First of all, I'm glad to see you taking part in this conversation. Your replies have been far more professional in many ways than those of some of those I've seen from representatives or owners of companies.
That being said, we ARE interested in what your service really offers. Your replies, while professional in tone, also don't really say much. I understand that you're trying to balance your own desire to "not sell here" but if there is a place to let your service shine, this is it. I also want to let you know where some of your replies might not be making the impression you want them to, simply because you are addressing an audience that thinks very differently about the services that are offered to writers. This is not to say "You're doing this wrong" so much as to let you know why some of us may be reacting to things differently than you might expect.
First of all, you have used variations of the same three phrases multiple times.
"I haven't built the reputation I have over 17-years by not being able to answer the tough questions and be able to back up my work."
"We have over 13,000 members right now. We must be doing something right."
"Check out these testimonials from real, top selling authors."
The first phrase lays claim to a reputation that no one here seems to be aware of. Which isn't to say that it doesn't exist, but it simply doesn't translate. You may have a terrific reputation, but if that reputation is in real estate, no one cares about it in the publishing world. At this point, in this forum, I've got more experience and a more established reputation than you do simply because I've been here longer. Kinda like being the new guy on the job. You may know your stuff from somewhere else, but we need to be able to see that before we'll believe it. Especially in THIS forum.
The second is something we tend to hear a lot coming from the mouths of certain companies that have TERRIBLE reputations. "We have THOUSANDS of authors who have signed with us! They MUST be right!" Again, not an accusation, just something you might not be aware of. Many scammers use this phrase in an attempt to cash in on an old marketing axiom: Quantity creates the appearance of quality. This phrase tends to set off alarm bells in our heads. Numbers do not equate to quality in our heads, especially not where new companies are concerned.
Likewise, the third phrase you have made use of is similar to things we've seen and heard from less reputable (and less professional) people than yourself. "Check out our glowing testimonial page!" As you've seen, we don't take ANYTHING at face value, and when we DID check out your claim, it fell somewhat short of the "best selling" appellation you used. When it was brought up, your answer addressed something else entirely, instead of the problem the poster had with the fact that there really weren't any best selling authors on your testimonial page. That made that phrase less effective than it could be, and made your testimonial page a far less effective tool.
Personally, here is what would probably settle a LOT of the doubts and questions people have here. First of all, drop the corporate slang. Don't tell us about your reputation and how long you've been in the business and how you answer tough questions without answering said questions. Don't ask us to listen to other people sing your praises.
DO tell us what the end result of your service tends to be. Increased sales? If so, how much on average? DO tell us what you get when you sign up instead of trying to assure us we're REALLY going to like what we find after we sign up. SELL your site, please. We are asking you to inform us on your product, and asking you to show us something that will let us know you really ARE different than some of the other corporate hucksters out there. Saying variations of the same thing works in a different environment (I know, I work in a very corporate culture in my day job), but here, words are a VERY different currency, and they are used in a completely different way. Just be a guy with us. Tell us what you're doing differently. Because so far, you've shown that you're civil and willing to kind of answer questions. I can't tell you how much altitude that gives you over some of the people I've seen here, even from semi-legit companies. I get the impression you're making an effort, but you seem to be speaking a different dialect than we do. I hope this helps you see where we're coming from, so we can see better where YOU are coming from. Because if you are legit and you can get some of the people from this forum behind you (which isn't an easy thing to do, but it is possible) you'll find that you won't have to answer as many questions on your own.