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But I discuss politics on AW, not via email, which I don't check with a browser anyway...
 

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So now SkyNet is interpretting our e-mail for us.

Actually, I think fact checking AI would be a great thing, assuming it's well designed.

Sides, by the time it's actually self aware, we better have either A) Upgraded ourselves to be competitive or B) raised friendly AGIs.

Or else things end poorly for everyone involved.
 

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Could this be the end of internet tough guys?

Hmm, beaten by the internet. Karma is a slow bitch, but she goes right for the ass.
 

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Can I forcibly install this on certain family members' computers? HMMM.
 

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This has "future awesome Anonymous hack" written all over it (should it take off).
Yeah, this reminds me of the State Farm commercial where the girl says they can't post anything on the internet if it isn't true. If people ever start believing that (or that some plug-in will identify falsehoods) we're all screwed.

...although it does net the girl in the commercial a french model boyfriend, so I guess it's not all bad. :rolleyes:
 

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So long as the sites it considers truth are legit, I'm all for this!

Do we need another plug-in to make that determination?

And thereby hangs the problem. Something like this is simply going to create competing truth-checking services. Each such service will have a mixture of truth and truthiness. This kind of app is, unfortunately, only likely to reinforce the walls of echo chambers.

The problem is that in many cases the checking of truth is not simple. We've had egregious cases where person A says, "I never said x" and someone pulls up the video of them saying it. Those can be relatively easily fact checked.

But to fact check a number of more complex issues requires a lot of knowledge in a field, and if the possessors of that knowledge are not trusted by people (or if there are actual competing interpretations) then all we'll end up with is more echoing and ignoring.

The most difficult thing for people to accept in a situation like this is that trust needs to be earned. That sources and people who show themselves to be honest (because what they say accords with reality, not with what one wants to hear) are probably more trustworthy, but still could be wrong. Someone who is reliable might still not have all the facts in a situation or be themselves wedded to a point of view.

There's no computer substitute for human judgement, and there's no way to create a 100% reliable source.
 

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But to fact check a number of more complex issues requires a lot of knowledge in a field, and if the possessors of that knowledge are not trusted by people (or if there are actual competing interpretations) then all we'll end up with is more echoing and ignoring.

I think that the most egregious problem of modern democratic debate sits behind each screen that reads this. What I mean by that is the propensity to not so much debunk sources, but to debunk sources that do not belong to the echo chamber that the reader belongs to.

It becomes, in essense, a battle of sources. Fox News is one echo chamber. MSNBC is another. The pundits of the reader's own echo chamber are upstanding researchers and historians, and the pundits of the other echo chamber are charlatans and hacks.

There is also the thing that economy is removed from sciences, in that replication is not required to publish theories about anything, and statistical analysis is more about finding what you want than going out there and finding what the numbers actually say. So, you have the battle of the Nobel Prize laureates - who to believe? A guy like Krugman or a guy like Hayek? Depending on your echo chamber, the answer is readily availible.

But.... That's not critical thought. Those are appeals to authority, which are as far from critical thinking as you can get. It is in fact a logical fallacy in its own right. The only way to arrive at a truth is through experiment and replication.

But none of us here do it. I don't, of course. I'll be the first to admit that. I tend to post links from places that I like, and not so much from places that I dislike. Critical thinking is hard. It requires that sources are not only evaluated based on the acronyms of academic titles attached to a person's name and bias - but it also requires also the realisation that in many, many fields we that post here just don't know what we're talking about - be it economy, law, science, history. Each of us have a slightly different level in things. We know more of one thing, and less of another.

But few of us, and that includes me, are too keen to improve our thinking by admitting both bias and lack of knowledge. And I think that's true for most people, and so we fall to appeals to authority to bolster our own claims, and we do this more out of personal bias than anything else.