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    Quote Originally Posted by S.C. Wynne View Post
    That is exactly my experience too. Nothing about the edited version being theirs in my contract, but in the revision letter it did indeed say that. But any edits I did were still MY words only, so no way they could ever enforce such silliness. (Especially since the original contract did not say anything like that)
    Did anyone cite a specific clause in the contract to back this up? I checked mine but didn't find anything that would lead me to believe the edited version won't be reverted to me. But I was surprised about the basket accounting clause too. So much to learn, no matter how long you've been in this biz!
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    In general, basket accounting happens when you sell a publisher several titles in a single contract. In that case, no additional royalties are paid on that contract until the entire advance on that contract is paid back.

    Do read your contracts carefully.

    Also: the idea that the publisher owns the edits is abusive. If you find that in a contract, line it out. If they insist: walk.

    The only agreement between an author and a publisher is the contract, signed by both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James D. Macdonald View Post
    In general, basket accounting happens when you sell a publisher several titles in a single contract. In that case, no additional royalties are paid on that contract until the entire advance on that contract is paid back.

    Do read your contracts carefully.



    Also: the idea that the publisher owns the edits is abusive. If you find that in a contract, line it out. If they insist: walk.

    The only agreement between an author and a publisher is the contract, signed by both.



    A good agent now can save you heartache later.
    Each book had a separate contract. What annoys me about it is books that I didn't get an advance on would then be used to pay back advances. That is illogical to me.

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    FYI, I've received another report of DSP trying to retroactively change contract terms during the rights-reversion process. Just in case it needs to be said, it is not standard practice for a publisher to require an author to sign anything to get their rights back (after the initial request, of course). Should you receive any such document(s), proceed carefully.
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    Regarding the previous issue (ownership of edits) the RWA has taken legal advice on this very thing and here's a link to what they have to say.

    In short, "Rights reverted to a novelist upon the exercise of an out-of-print, or reversion of rights, clause include editorial revisions, so long as those revisions are not independently copyrightable. …Although editors may make many useful revisions, unless both participants enter into the venture as joint authors, editorial contributions are not separately copyrightable."

    I highly recommend people read the thing in its entirety.

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    I'm a little peeved by them just at present.

    For eight years, they held a "daily dose" which is a short story anthology, printed once per day in June. So I wrote one per their guidelines (the theme this year was "storybook romance") but, rather than give me either an acceptance or a rejection, I got a notice saying "due to lack of author interest, we won't be reading any of the stories submitted. And we won't be doing edits/suggestions the way we usually do." [paraphrase mine] Le Sigh. I think they could at least have bothered to read the story and tell me if they were interested in a longer version, or not waited until they'd said acceptance/rejection letters were going to be received to tell me that they were quits.

    But I know the industry is really putting a NASTY squeeze on a lot of publishers these days, and I can't say I entirely blame them. Perhaps this is my opportunity to know if self-publishing is the way to go for me.

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    I just looked at the Dreamspinner submissions page and it says they're currently closed to "general" submissions (since March 31, it looks like).

    Does anyone know what this is about? I've been trying to diversify over the past couple years so I haven't been paying much attention to DSP... have they closed to general submissions before? It looks like they're still taking manuscripts for their category lines, maybe?

    Anyone heard anything?
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    Kate, they recently closed to general submissions. They also laid off a lot of people in the process. They say it's because they want to "achieve greater success" for their authors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjeller View Post
    Kate, they recently closed to general submissions. They also laid off a lot of people in the process. They say it's because they want to "achieve greater success" for their authors.
    That's vague, and I'm not sure if I find it promising or troubling. That the word "temporarily" isn't used on the submission closure announcement gives me pause.

    Maybe it means they're going to back off the aggressive release schedule. I'm not sure how any given book receives adequate attention when they crank out several new releases almost every day. That wouldn't be the worst scenario. I hope it doesn't mean they're struggling.

    If they are in danger of closing, I hope they do it with the same efficiency, transparency, and aplomb with which they closed their retail business, the defunct RainbowEbooks dot com (which is oddly still online, albeit empty of product--also red-flagged as not secure by my antivirus software , so visit at your own peril).

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    I can only speak for myself here, but if it helps, I contract edit with them and I'm still receiving editing work. I'm not as busy, but with subs being closed, that speaks for itself. I've honestly heard nothing about closure, but please note I wouldn't hear about closure etc, just that my service is no longer needed. I've not been told that they're not.

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    I don't believe they are closing, but they are definitely cutting back heavily.

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    FYI, a little update. Apparently, there's been some delay in paying authors, and Dreamspinner put out a statement (in PDF form) here:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2sf48i402...May%202019.pdf

    The opening paragraph:

    Before rolling out this statement, we need to address one point immediately: Dreamspinner
    Press is not in overall financial crisis or in any danger of closing. What we are is working through
    a temporary crunch in month-to-month cash flow as we wait for more than two years of financial
    investment and thousands of hours of effort to yield steady results. Dreamspinner’s balance sheet
    is healthy; our assets outweigh any debts.
    (I have no connection to the press, but they *are* one of the large m/m publishers out there.)
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    Sigh. I used to feel sorry for pubs but now I only feel sorry for the authors affected. Doesn't matter why they aren't getting paid on time, the point is they aren't. As someone who has been burned by many small presses, this doesn't look good. Especially with the fact that they've been lessening the amount of submissions they've been taken on for a few years. How many times have we heard this song and dance about nothing is wrong then the pub up and closes? I hope for the authors' sake that this turns out okay or if not they will be able to recover and move on without being hurt. It's just sad that this happens over and over and it's the authors getting hurt. PAY THEM. It's not their fault why you can't. They deserve to be paid. It's no different than your boss saying he won't pay. Authors have bills and things to take care of too yet these pubs act like you can keep their money and the authors understand???

    Sorry, don't mean to rant but after years and years of hearing this over and over and seeing authors left in the dust, it's maddening.

    Wishing the DS authors the best.

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    I recently got a contract for a book with series potential for DSP, and they've prepared a series summary with me. I'm a bit nervous now, but nothing I've seen in my dealings with them has led me to believe this hiccup will transform into a closing. My book released in 2017 did very well, so I'm hoping this next book will too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amergina View Post
    FYI, a little update. Apparently, there's been some delay in paying authors, and Dreamspinner put out a statement (in PDF form) here:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2sf48i402...May%202019.pdf
    Oh no. I don't write what they publish, so never submitted there, but they seem to have a great reputation.

    Quote Originally Posted by A.P.M. View Post
    I recently got a contract for a book with series potential for DSP, and they've prepared a series summary with me. I'm a bit nervous now, but nothing I've seen in my dealings with them has led me to believe this hiccup will transform into a closing. My book released in 2017 did very well, so I'm hoping this next book will too.
    I hope it works out for you.

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    The announcement was posted at the beginning of May and some authors still haven't been paid. I was paid on time... but my royalties were tiny, as third-party sales haven't come through yet so all I'd earned was from direct sales on the DSP website. Authors who were due a lot more (one friend in four-figures) are still waiting.

    Small data sample but if they're paying small amounts on time and not larger amounts... sounds less like an "accounting" problem and more like a cash flow problem.

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    I got my rights back a year ago, thinking they were on a downward spiral. I did not have any issues with them over payment or anything - they were nice, responsive and professional dealing with my three YA novels, and I got my rights back with no questions asked. I didn't think there was any future for their Harmony Ink YA imprint after they closed for submission and stopped promoting and actively participating in events.
    It is so sad to see them do this
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    Dreamspinner/DSP sent another letter to authors (This is a link to a PDF on dropbox):

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/3mrr6c227y...02019.pdf?dl=0
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