Directions London Dominion Theatre to Tavistock Arms Pub

> Ihave a current WIP that starts at the time of the Beer Flood in London in 1814 where three streets flooded, two no longer exist and I can’t find them on maps even dated 1820

Smaller streets in that area went through a lot of name changes during this period. Are you sure that isn't the case? I see that it was in the St Giles Rookery, which tempts me even more to think of a name change.

It sounds like you need the dead pubs site

http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs1839/1839Pigots-T.shtml

lists its address as 22 Great Russell Street (counting up from the junction with Tottenham Court Road and on the Charing Cross side of Great Russell Street) which is presently Jurys hotel
http://www.hotelstravel.com/Europe/GB/London/JurysGreatRussellStreet.html
http://www.hawksmereltd.co.uk/hawksmere/venue.php?venue=354

It looks like your estimate is right.

>Lyra - thank you. Do you know what the name of that alley which is between the two of them? I can't get my barings on the map.

Just off to bed so I’ll try to visualise it in the morning.

George Street was previously called Dyot Street and may be on your maps under that name.

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Wow, seriously? This is where your beer flood happened? I was right around that area while I was in London. I went to the British Museum a bunch and that's where all most of my classes were held. Weird!

Sorry not to be of service, just adding my random two cents.

At an earlier stage, George Street was known as Dyot Street
(http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45209)
One old map gives it as “Dyet” Street
(http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/stowpages/gilesfields01.html and
http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/stanfordpages/finsbury07b.html ) The names appears to have reverted and it’s now called Dyot Street.


Banbury street

The reference to Banbury Street appears to originate from the Times report http://tiny.cc/KOZYf of the incident. However, the National Archives show that the Meux brewery gave its address as Bainbridge Street http://tiny.cc/kjMPC, which still exists. I only found one other reference to a Banbury St in St Giles. They’d be pronounced almost identically so perhaps they are the same? (I also saw the address given as “Bunbury” St).


New Street

That one took a while It ran parallel to Bainbridge Street – see map
http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/horwoodpages/horwood11101.html which shows George Street as “Diot” Street.

" "The Rookery," was a triangular space bounded by Bainbridge, George, and High Streets; it was one dense mass of houses, through which curved narrow tortuous lanes, from which again diverged close courts—one great mass, as if the houses had orginally been one block of stone, eaten by slugs into numberless small chambers and connecting passages. The lanes were thronged with loiterers; and stagnant gutters, and piles of garbage and filth infested the air. In the windows, wisps of straw, old hats, and lumps of bed-tick or brown paper, alternated with shivered panes of broken glass, the walls were the colour of bleached soot, and doors fell from their hinges and worm-eaten posts. Many of the windows announced, "Lodgings at 3d. a night," where the wild wanderers from town to town held their nightly revels." (Timbs' Curiosities of London (1867), p. 378.)"
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=74297

Lyra - I just wanted to add that you've come up with a tremendous amount of information for Cooee. I was going to try to help out last night but when I got back on-line you'd already started and were way ahead of me. Thank you for taking the time and providing her with a tremendous amount of information. My hat's off to you (and you're getting a rep point from me too.) Puma

This map http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/stowpages/gilesfields01.html makes it look as if the brewery covered the whole of that area.

By between the two, I guess you mean the unamed street off Bainbridge that joins New Street? This could be Banbury Street - although as it's given as Meux's address, I still think Banbury may be a misname for Bainbridge.
You can do some more map searching here
http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/19thclondon.html

I'm confusing myself now off for a nice cup of tea, I'll look further if I have a spare moment.

Great. This was quite relaxing for me btw, I like doing this sort of stuff - and it helps that I know the area well. And I know from experience how frustrating it is when streets seem to vanish from existence. I'll happily accept a few pints sometime though

Puma - Honestly didn't take me long - I've had oodles of practice at this sort of stuff. But thank you for my point - I guess that's like a gold star?

> I don't understand what I am missing?

Hmmm...don't know at this moment. When I get a few spare minutes in the next day or two, I'll attack it again. It will irritate me beyond belief if it isn't resolved.

In the second picture, are you sure that's the brewery and not pub? If it's the brewery, then that's the view down Tottenham Court Road. If it's the pub opposite, then that's a view down Great Russell Street towards the British Museum. Whatever, Great Russell Street divides the brewery from the pub based on the brewery being on the site of the present Dominion theatre. I wish I could draw you a picture here...

The first picture looks like it's a view from Tottenham Court Road. Down the side to the right is Great Russell Street and the pub would face out onto that.

Bainbridge Street would not have been such a thoroughfare.

Lyra - Since you're a newcomer and your comment about the rep point makes me think you don't know about them ... posters can give rep (reputation) points to other posters for excellent responses or going beyond the call. To give a rep point - there are three icons at the bottom left in every post block - the middle one is a scale - if you click on that it allows you to give a rep point and make a comment (you can also give negative points but that almost never happens). You can see whether you've gotten rep points and the comments made by going to the very top of the main AW screen when it first comes up. In the blue-ish line there are items like User CP, Private Messages - if you click on User CP it will bring up your rep points.

Everyone has a reputation based on how many rep points they've received. You can see what they are (but not the number of points) by putting your cursor below the post count below the avatar in the upper left part of the post box. Everyone starts out on a "distinguished road" and ends with "so great we've run out of appropriate comments" and there are quite a few stages in between. There's a thread up in the FAQ's forum that tells what all the levels are and how many points each one represents.

Over in Historical Share Your Work, almost all of us give a rep point to anyone who reads and makes a comment on our posts for crits and comments. Hope that info helps - and by the way - welcome to AW and historical. Puma