Re: PA trolls and 10,000 authors
I've been following this thread for months, checking in daily to find out the latest on what is going on with PA. I read Carl's posts on the PW board and the PA trolls here a few pages back. I have a few general comments I'd like to make about the recent goings-on.
I find it interesting that the trolls appeared at the same time, and then both disappeared just as quickly. I questioned both about their qualifications: were they authors and if so, what were their books, who their publisher was, etc. My point was that if they answered the questions, especially the one about their books, then they might be able to respond with some actual "authority." If they were interested in contributing positively to the discussion, then they might not be trolls. Instead, CSI ignored the questions and just posted inane comments, quickly revealing himself to be a troll. And they weren't even intelligent, thought-out comments. If you're going to argue your side of the issue, why on earth would you say stuff like
"Besides, what good is a watchdog that's too afraid of an intruder to bark?"
And it went on and on. Who were these people? Were there actual meetings at PA about how to deal with Absolute Write, and this was what they came up with??
And now they're gone. PA must be working up their next move. Here's an idea: how about marketing your books to stores?
Then there was Carl at PW. Why he or PA thought anyone could take him seriously is beyond me, especially with his circular reasoning, misspellings and repeated words, like "whiners." He kept ignoring the posted comments like "No, I'm not a PA author" and kept saying that ALL posters there were PA author-whiners.
And now he's gone.
Was this another move by PA to discredit anyone saying anything against them? If so, he was a bad, bad choice as a spokesperson. If anything, the President or CEO of PA should have jumped on that PW board and defended their company (unless "Carl" was the CEO. Isn't that scary?). But they didn't. Now at the PW board is a list of solid reasons NOT to sign with PA, ravings from "Carl," and no response as of yet from PA.
Then there are the PA boards. It seems to me that the authors who are satisfied with what PA has done for them are people who had no real aspirations to become career authors. It is my opinion (and I could be off base) that satisfied PA authors are the ones who wrote their manuscript as a one-time thing, got their names on books thanks to PA, sold it to their friends and family, had said family tell them how absolutely
great and
wonderful their books were, thereby feeding their egos, and that was it. Then they go on the PA boards to share their excitement with their fellow PA authors about how they're published now. Nobody can buy their books in stores, but that's OK because they're published and that's all that counts.
And that's fine. If that was their goal, more power to them. They got their names on their own books, their friends and family got to read their words, they're happy. Nothing wrong with that.
(I have to insert another question here: do the family and friends actually
read the books? If they just had to buy their cousin's $20 book because it was their cousin, would they read it, or just put it on the shelf?)
But it's the other authors who
want to pursue writing careers that are having problems, many of whom come here. And they're not whiners. They've been misled by what was advertised as a traditional publisher: a publisher that doesn't market to bookstores, doesn't answer the phone, doesn't respond to emails, and generally doesn't conduct business as a traditional publisher would. I would have been mad too if it were me. And I surely would tell everyone else my experiences.
And what about those 10,000 authors? That means that PA sells
at least 10,000 different titles (quite a few more since many authors have more than one book). So, for the sake of argument, let's say PA has 15,000 different titles to sell. PA says that their books are available in brick and mortar stores nationwide. If this were true, then that would mean that my local B&N would sell 15,000 PA books. That's
a lot of books in one store from one publisher!
As we all know, the sad truth is most bookstores won't stock PA books or any other POD books. But PA authors don't care to discuss this fact.
On a current thread at PA about the
"cocky, stuck-up writers." we see
[Other writers websites] went so far as to say they don't consider me a published author and will never be thier equal. I cannot understand such arrogance from other writers, who think they walk on water.
and
And I tried to advertise my book on [IMDB] to sell some copies and it was pulled also. One guy got through to buy my book anyway. So it is hard out there to get your books sold. My stupid local newspaper has totally ignored my Press Release so far.
Perhaps the Internet Movie Database isn't the best choice to sell a book. Also, the local newspaper, stupid or not, doesn't report news from EVERY press release it gets. It's not a conspiracy, and it's not all about
you.
And finally, there's HB:
They think that getting published is their instant excuse to turn up their nose and fake an upper crust persona. Despite how crappy their books sell in the main market they maintain that elitist attitude. Some of the PA authors sell better than their books WITHOUT BEING IN EVERY BOOK STORE IN THE COUNTRY. What's that tell you? They hate us.
Yeah, I hate PA authors, and I turn up my nose at them, too. [NOTE: THIS IS SARCASM.] Does anybody actually believe this guy?
Oh well, too bad! So, they will say anything they can to make it sound like what we've done is less important than what they've done. It's all they have left. We're proof that even traditional publishers make a mistake and some authors write very lousy books.
Since I am a traditionally-published author, I guess that means that they are less important than me, and it is "all I have left." [MORE SARCASM] And I don't want to twist his words around, but it sounds like he's admitting that some PA authors write very lousy books.
And finally,
Besides, if they're such great authors, why are they spending every waking moment bashing PA on the internet and not pumping out books? I do about one book a year and get five star reviews. All they do is whine and have sour grapes about past failings.
Yup, I too spend all my waking hours bashing PA, while PA publishes HB's 5-star books. Then I sit around and whine about my past failings. Sigh.
I find it interesting that HB refers to "whining" here. Anyone else?
[Edited to point out the sarcasm! as]