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Anyone have any experience with these folks? They seem to have a huge staff available, but they don't have many books and the few that I looked up on Amazon have been out since last year and either have no reviews or only a handful?

Also not sure how standard it is to have to submit an entire MS with your query - I've only seen chapters or pages requested.

Thanks in advance!
 

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Link for those who don't want to have to go hunting: RW/Rize
 

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I'm... uneasy with their big push at diversity (At RIZE, we know you want to be entertained with stories that represent you, not some stereotype. You crave spellbinding narratives and innovative prose written by people of color.), the website's images of POC enjoying their stuff--but the first two story anthology covers feature a redhead and a blonde Causacian woman respectively, and a fast scan of their covers shows 90% white models or parts of models, like hands.

Their prices, $20+ for POD paperbacks, are crazy-high, enough to guarantee poor sales from the publisher. Mass market paperbacks usually cost less than half that.

My unease is further advanced by the fact that they appear to be presenting for sale books from other publishers as if they'd published them. They've got The 1619 Project (Random House), Maus (Pantheon), and The Carbon Almanac (Penguin Random House) on their page titled Best Sellers, along with many other titles that aren't theirs--but nowhere on the site does it mention they didn't publish those books.

I'd stay away.

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My unease is further advanced by the fact that they appear to be presenting for sale books from other publishers as if they'd published them.
I did some checking and what they've done is pretty underhanded. If you click on the link to their catalog, you'll only find their books. BUT!

If you click any of their "Buy A Story" buttons, you're redirected to Running Wild's "shop" on Bookshop.org. And that's where they list the books from other publishers. They can do that because Bookshop.org allows anyone to sign up as an affiliate and to create an online shop. Affiliates then get a percentage of the sale.


I'd stay away.

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Same here.
 
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Thank you both, that was my inclination as well!
 

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Can you share in what ways you found the contract unfavorable? The more your fellow writers know, the better decisions they can make for themselves, not just with this publisher but with any.

Maryn, thanking you in advance
 
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Can you share in what ways you found the contract unfavorable? The more your fellow writers know, the better decisions they can make for themselves, not just with this publisher but with any.

Maryn, thanking you in advance
This happened several weeks ago in a faraway land (New York), but the whole process was sketchy. The publisher sent me a contract on one day and then sent a different contract the next day saying it was more friendly. Why the apparent slip up? Are they not organized?

The biggest term in the contract that I could never accept was that it required me to sign away the copyright. Basically, I was giving them my novel (and all derivatives which would have included the subsequent novels in the series I plan to write). It became a work for hire. Only a ghost writer would ever do something like that.

Further, there was no mention of author copies of the novel once it was published. I've seen this at some publishers, and the purpose seems to compel you to buy your own novel from them. So they could do the minimum editing/production on it, make it a print-on-demand work, and then make money off of you. At least that's how it seemed to me.

There were other issues in the contract. The contract required me to assign the copyright to the publisher, but then later it stated that the publisher would register the copyright in my name. That was contradictory.

There was no mention in the contract of me having any input on the edits the editor could make to my novel.

There was a tw0-year publication window before the deal would terminate. That seemed excessive to me. They could just sit on my novel for two years and I couldn't do anything about it or with it.

There was some language in it that would apply to nonfiction works (revisions) that wouldn't apply to novels, so why was it in the contract unless they were sloppy?

There were other points. I have some experience reading legal contracts, and I might have been able to redline this one into something I'd accept, but it seemed too much work for what seemed a dubious opportunity.

There are a number of sites online (Authors Guild for one) that offer sample contracts favorable to writers. At the least these sites will list the things to watch out for in contracts.

I hope that helps.
 

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I had a bad experience with them. They were super disorganized, generally incompetent, and broke the contract in lots of ways. I had to terminate my contract. (I did NOT give away my copyright. That wasn't in the contract.) Wasted a year of my book's life with them. When I made public what had happened, other writers told me they'd withdrawn their books for the same reasons. YMMV, but beware.
 
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I had a bad experience with them. They were super disorganized, generally incompetent, and broke the contract in lots of ways. I had to terminate my contract. (I did NOT give away my copyright. That wasn't in the contract.) Wasted a year of my book's life with them. When I made public what had happened, other writers told me they'd withdrawn their books for the same reasons. YMMV, but beware.
Thanks for sharing your experience, DamnationAlli, though I'm sorry it was such a negative one.

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