I never said their criticism of my outdated website was ill-informed.
Thank you Robin. I spoke again to one of your authors a week or so ago and he said something that was designed to put me in my place [sometimes I need that, plus we're friends so he can do that to me]. He said, "Sydewinder [that's what he calls me ], I have an agent and yet I've decided to leave my manusript with Ridan even though I could pull it if I wanted to. Plus before I had an agent I had several ofers for my manuscript from other publishers and still decided to publish with Ridan. Isn't that telling?" It should have been [to me at least, since I know him], and that's why I feel I should make this post, because I was pretty critical of Ridan a few posts back.
Despite everything that's been said in past posts [many things by me] the one thing I should have noticed is that not once has a Ridan author complained about Robin or the publishing house. Also, none of Ridan's authors have left, despite the ability to do so [as robin pointed out that they can]. Ridan's sales numbers speak volumes and Robin's willingness to share her methods on her website, as well as her willingness to come here and address questions and criticism speaks to her character.
Sorry if it wasn't clear that I was responding specifically to Sydewinder's comments there! Glad to see that you had the opportunity to bring the website up to date. Best of luck.
Looks much better...
I updated the Ridan Website a few days ago. So perhaps we can move on to something else now?
Yes most of my marketing is done direct - and therefore will not show up in a google search.
I think the proof of the marketing is in the number of books sold - not how many people on AW have seen the promotions.
I personally think that no matter who you publish through, small press, big-six, or self you HAVE to promote yourself.
Now...that being the case. I totally don't understand publishers that bring on authors and don't market them. It's not doing them or the authors any good. .
There's really no need for the attitude. No one is having a go, it was something that was noticed and raised, which led to a general conversation about websites and web presence. No one was attacking you.
I get what you are saying here, I really do. I worked in marketing for a while so I understand how direct marketing works. What I would say though, is that you should think how many more sales you could get if you could net a wider audience.
I only say this because I read a MASSIVE amount of sci-fi and fantasy, and until you started to post on this board I had never heard of any of your authors. Yet, from what I have seen and what I have read since, you seem to have a lot of talented people there. I can't help but wonder how many more people like me there are who would love to be made aware of what you have, but who aren't targeted by you through direct marketing.
Honestly, I'm not having a go. I'm not picking on you or attacking your business model. No one here is. When someone asks a question, or makes a suggestion, or points something out, it's not through malice, but through a genuine desire to help.
I agree to an extent. My publisher has certain requirements from me that I should fulfil. And that's cool. I like talking to readers, I like my internet work etc. But I'm not prepared to do ALL the work myself, I feel that my publisher should be doing the lions share of it, and at the very least I should never have to pay out of my own pocket for anything. So, yes, the author should promote themselves, but it's the publishers job to pay for it.
Also, just a note to say that the website looks good, the backdating is good because it shares the news from the last six months and shows the work etc that has been going on behind the scenes. It makes the whole business look busy, which is a good thing.
but most publishers don't do much in marketing.
We are in compete agreement - but most publishers don't do much in marketing. Most of it is based on bookstore buyers as getting into the stores was the primary business model. That model is quickly changing and publishers MUST start to market to end users which they usually do very little of.
Or maybe it's like yours - invisible. Doesn't make sense for any publisher not to market.
Just wanted to say that this is only partially true. Publishers don't do much marketing to CUSTOMERS for the average title. I totally agree that the bulk of marketing happens on the back end - it's placement agreements and co-ops and can this book be included in this newsletter if we give you a discount on this book, etc. It's catalogs and advanced reader copies sent out. It's wooing buyers into bulk orders. Things like that. By the time the book is a month away from release, the bulk of marketing is over and done. But to be fair, my publisher has always bought ads for my books and I am a nobody, so they DO marketing, but the ad is the only thing my readers see. The rest is to get me bigger buy ins and better store placement, because if your book is on every endcap known to mankind? It's going to automatically sell.
That is incredibly impressive. Congratulations! (Also, I have been lurking in this thread for some time and keep meaning to say that the covers on Michael's books are gorgeous.)
I have to take a moment to post here.
I just spent the last two days reading from my last post, which was back on #85 or something, right through to here. WOW. I would love to give Robin a highfive. This thread should be mandatory reading for all new publishers on how to deal with criticism on Absolutewrite. So many other threads have devolved into something out of a horror flick by unprofessional publishers or their authors. Robin, you've done a remarkable job keeping your cool under more than a few detractors and critics, critics who posed questions I, asa writer, appreciated by the way. Professionalism and diplomacy is clearly not something you're lacking.
I've bought a number of Ridan books in the last year or so. It started out as a buy one to see if I like the editing/coverart up close/general book design, to see if I wanted to submit my manuscript, and moved into my really liking the writing of Ridan's authors. The covers, obviously are amazing. I think that's going to be one of the things Ridan Press will be known for. Which from a readers perspective isn't a bad thing.
@Nathan Lowell and swhibs123, thank you both for sharing your experiences with the rest of us. You both seemed very matter-of-fact in the way you addressed the questions posed.
Ok that is my cheer. I was just blown away by the last 150 posts on this thread it was like a rollercoaster ride. I had to give my two cents. Robin, when you open up for submissions I hope you'll post here. Your sales are just incredible. I am looking forward to reading some new Ridan books soon. That Chicken book sounds funny but looks creepy and that Fated one sounds intriguing and just up my alley.
Both my agent and I have had dealings with Robin, and she's an extremely professional and knowledgeable individual. I highly value her thoughts and expertise in the publishing world.
That's something you'd have to ask Robin herself. At the time we had engaged her, she had staff there and were taking on new clients. I don't know where things are at now, but both my agent and I highly respect her. I've followed her blog/posts at various boards, as well as her husband's career. He just sold the rights to his books to Orbit for a very large sum (which were under the Ridan umbrella before that).