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Just to move things back on track a little:
But paying someone like Paradon to read my manuscript? How does that make their service any better than uploading my manuscript to Amazon for FREE and making up to 70% on the sales without paying them a single dime? If their website is any indication to the quality of their editing, I'm overpaying them just to read my manuscript! I'd be afraid that upon submitting it to them that my book would spontaneously develop grammar and spelling errors, not to mention punctuation and capitalization issues just from letting them have it!

The logic does not work for me.

It makes logical sense to the publisher every time they convince someone to pay for the 'service'.* Though, frankly, if you are advertising an allegedly professional service in which you promised to review manuscripts for publication in exchange for a fee, one would expect them to be able to demonstrate an ability to actually write a coherent sentence or two themselves...

*And unfortunately the economics of this work out in much the same way as spam e-mail. It costs very little to set up a website (I could talk to some friends tomorrow and get it done by the end of the day AND it would be free of grammar mistakes...), call it $10 a year if you don't pay a web designer, and that is pretty much the only set up costs you need for a scam like this. If anyone at all actually sends you a manuscript with a $25 payment you have already made a profit and every subsequent $25 payment is a further profit. Plus, you can follow the PA model and consider offering other 'extras' such as agreeing to staple manuscripts to Stephen King's head so he is forced to read them for the 'reasonable' sum of $200 and basically you can milk it for all it is worth. All of this is profit, once you have paid your annual domain name fees. You don't even have to pay any staff as you don't actually need to really edit the manuscripts and since you are only selling to the author's friends and family you can use POD to avoid any print costs and not have to bother with any publicity.

The only logic is from the scammer's PoV, though. It is illogical from the writer's PoV...
 

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*sweeps away troll droppings, sockpuppet fluff and bits of exploded irony meter*

The more I look at ParaDon Books the more I'm reminded of the 419 scammers; they both use the same laughably over-the-top claims, bombastic tone and weird English. I kept expecting intelligentwriter (sic) to inform us that he needs our help to move his 200 million dollar inheritance out of Nigeria. Have the lads from Lagos moved to Montana?
 

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*sweeps away troll droppings, sockpuppet fluff and bits of exploded irony meter*

The more I look at ParaDon Books the more I'm reminded of the 419 scammers; they both use the same laughably over-the-top claims, bombastic tone and weird English. I kept expecting intelligentwriter (sic) to inform us that he needs our help to move his 200 million dollar inheritance out of Nigeria. Have the lads from Lagos moved to Montana?

It definitely has that 419 vibe to it.

But then, since people have actually fallen for the original Nigeria scam, someone is probably going to send this guy an MS and $25.

A scam works because it tells people what they want to hear. The claims he's making about the publishing industry and self-publishing alternatives are what someone wants to hear.

And anyone who isn't scared away by such a badly edited publisher page probably isn't writing in a manner that's going to get them anything more than a form rejection from agents or publishers. (Edited to add: speaking of poor editing, I just re-read this sentence, and, um, yeah :tongue. Since it's been quoted, I'll leave it as-is -- I'll claim I was going for irony. Yeah, that's the ticket.).
 
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And anyone who isn't scared away by such a badly edited publisher page probably isn't writing in a manner that's going to get them anything more than a form rejection from agents or publishers.

So true. These guys aren't looking to scam writers with even a modicum of skill, otherwise they'd put on a more convincing show. They're out for the barely-literate ones with $25 to throw away and a desperate desire to be published.

They almost make PA look respectable. Almost.
 

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All we need now is a Wiccan curse to really get this party swinging. And for those of you who haven't heard of Lanaia Lee, get Googling - you have a treat in store!
 

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Damn it, I take a few days off from lurking ... Nice to see ya Nick/Bobby. Are you still tracking me on the web, or have you found something better to do?
 

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All we need now is a Wiccan curse to really get this party swinging.

So, Sheryl Pilsbury threatened folks with a curse? :roll:

Beware, writer ascending soapbox::Soapbox:
Love her line "Yes, I am Wicca", got news for ya hon, no, yer not. Minor misspelling aside (Wiccan not Wicca), no self-respecting Wiccan would threaten to use a curse. That whole Threefold Law thing. It's called karma and it's a bitch. We also have this simple rule "An it harm none, do as ye will". So, if there are any curses to be flung about, rest assured, they ain't Wiccan :)

Thank you for your patience and tolerance. The bitching shall now cease.
 

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A curse? Seriously? Sometimes people amaze me.
 

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Um, I know this is kinda' off topic, but how can "a great piece of art" look good on my "digital library"?

I know, I know. I'd have the cover art on my ereader. But then, how does it end up looking great on my furniture?

Oh, oh! Do I get a holographic projection of the cover as part of my fee so I can have the best of both worlds?
 

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I don't know how I managed to live without AbsoluteWrite. Until I stumbled across this site about a year ago I had no idea what went on in (and around) the publishing industry. Vanity presses, utterly clueless start-up publishers, crooked agents, the saga of PublishAmerica - it was a revelation to me. Then, just when I thought I'd seen everything, along comes ParaDon Books to boggle my mind still further...
 

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"In the upcoming months when you buy one of our books, you’ll not only be getting a great story but you’ll also be owning a great piece of art that will look good on your furniture or digital library."
Oh man, I *love* things that look good on my furniture! Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Patrick Dempsey... :D
 

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Oh man, I *love* things that look good on my furniture! Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Patrick Dempsey... :D

Hugh Jackman, the cast of '300' and Starz 'Spartacus', (sorry, I have a weakness for well-formed abs) Johnny Depp ... the list goes on.
 
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Bags of money, diamonds... Johnny Depp holding bags of money and diamonds.

Not sure how he'll look in my digital library, but I suppose I'll just have to find a way to cram him in there.
 

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Going back to ParaDon's short story competition for a moment: these stories will be read (for $5), chosen, and presumably edited by a Stanford University graduate who can barely string together a coherent sentence. Said stories by unknown writers will then be published by an unknown press owned by Richard Egland, an unknown media mogul, then sold at Tupperware-style parties and out of car trunks.

Who the hell is going to buy this book? Anthologies of short stories by well-known authors, edited by professional editors, and published by the top publishers are notoriously poor sellers. The only people who buy this doomed volume will be the authors and a few of their friends and relatives.

That's assuming, of course, that ParaDon really intends to publish anything.
 

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oh boy, that's one seriously amateur website. whoever mentioned billionaire widows trapped in Nigeria really had a point - every single sentence screams "I'm a scam!"

let's hope they put their "Recommended by the Write Agenda" badge on the front page...
 

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:stretches:

:yawns:

So ... what did I miss? And why does it smell like damp troll in here?

MM
 

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Oooh. Much better. Lemony fresh.

Always a shame when someone comes here and spreads batshit around the place.

Are we returning to our scheduled viewing? If so, can someone let me have some popcorn? Sweet if we've got it.

MM
 

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Oooh. Much better. Lemony fresh.

Always a shame when someone comes here and spreads batshit around the place.

Are we returning to our scheduled viewing? If so, can someone let me have some popcorn? Sweet if we've got it.

MM

Mmm... Hold up, MM. Aren't you an actual, honest-to-Bono, bonafied lawyer? Because, if you are, I'm not sure your qualifications meet what IW was looking for here, in the role of "mrs. english professor." He was pretty specific.

Sorry, counselor. The good news is, the liquor, popcorn, and comfortable seating is all located along the perimeter with the happy outcasts. Also, sexy men have started taking up residence on the couches (with room for more sexy!). It's your basic post-flounce wrap-up show, and the viewing is FAR better from Calla's comphy chairs!
 
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Mmm... Hold up, MM. Aren't you an actual, honest-to-Bono, bonafied lawyer? Because, if you are, I'm not sure your qualifications meet what IW was looking for here, in the role of "mrs. english professor." He was pretty specific.
I'm highly, highly tempted to change my user-title to "mrs. english professor" (lower-case and all).
 

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Hold up, MM. Aren't you an actual, honest-to-Bono, bonafied lawyer? Because, if you are, I'm not sure your qualifications meet what IW was looking for here, in the role of "mrs. english professor."

Are you questioning the integrity of my internet diploma in teh legel? I paid good money for that diploma and it means that I talk law gud and spell legel gud. If you is saying that my diploma is no gud then I will hit you with a cyber attack from my internet lawyer and then you'll be sorry mr internet questioner person!

:pulls up couch with the other outcasts:

:eek:gles teh sexy men:

:eek:pens beer:

MM
 

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I'm highly, highly tempted to change my user-title to "mrs. english professor" (lower-case and all).

Ah, but if you'd only done it when poor IW was around, he mighta been dazzled by your apparent credentials.

Are you questioning the integrity of my internet diploma in teh legel? I paid good money for that diploma and it means that I talk law gud and spell legel gud. If you is saying that my diploma is no gud then I will hit you with a cyber attack from my internet lawyer and then you'll be sorry mr internet questioner person!

But are you a "mrs. english professor"? If not... well nothing. At this point, I'm just saying... Well, he's gone.

:pulls up couch with the other outcasts:

:eek:gles teh sexy men:

:eek:pens beer:

MM

That's the spirit!