Hi, Charles, and welcome to AW.
CharlesV:
While I admit, I'm not being paid, I don't get the impression that he's getting rich off my work. I rather get the impression that he works his butt off preparing and editing and doing his own writing, and, I hope for his sake that he does make a little money, as I'm sure he has bills just as we all do. If I found out he made a million dollars from a book I contributed to, I'd be upset, but I highly doubt it. The impression I get is more like, he does a little better than breaking even.
A publisher working that hard and not making money after being in operation for a year is sadly not uncommon. Plenty of people start up publishing companies when they have little or no previous publishing experience and when you have no real capital or finance behind you and lack the experience to get out there and sell your product, then you're going to find it tough going.
Sadly, this is why so many start-ups fold within 3 years of their opening for submissions and when that happens, the authors find themselves mired in a complex situation where the rights to their work are trapped with the insolvency practitioner (in the ideal situation) or just disappeared into limbo (which is more likely if a publisher was never duly incorporated).
The point though is that someone should be making money from your work and that someone should be you. You produced it, you worked hard on it, you deserve to get something for it.
CharlesV:
I understand that some new writers either get paid poorly or not at all, so I accepted that when I signed the contract.
I agree, but then I think that those writers tend to be the ones who submit their work without having done any research before hand or who lack confidence. Consequently, they tend to start at the bottom of the list rather than at the top.
CharlesV:
Next, may be I'll look at the low-paying venues. I don't think I'm going to be in anything big like Asmov's or Ellery Queen magazine or Science Fiction and Fantasy any time soon. They look for people who are well established. How do you become established? By starting small, and building your confidence. That's my theory.
Why not start with Asimov's? Think how confident you'll be if you're accepted there? I understand if you're not at a stage where you feel happy to submit to an outfit like that (although I still think you're better off doing so).
You know, if you check out Duotrope, then you can find loads of other markets for your work - including those that only pay a token sum. My first short story sale was to a token paying ezine and I still get a kick out of the humble tenner I got for it.
CharlesV:
At least now, if someone asks if I'm a published author, I can say, "Yeah, I have four stories published." That might motivate the low-paying publisher take a closer look, and if they like and publish me, then after a few of those, maybe a moderate-paying publisher will take a closer look, and then, after a few of those... you get the idea.
That's a nice idea and I wish it did work that way but it doesn't. While it can help to mention short-story credits on a query letter (I included mine when I subbed to agents), in truth agents don't care about it unless they've actually heard of the publication in question. (I got that straight from my agent when she took me on).
CharlesV:
If you're looking for the opportunity to get a story in print, to get your name and your story out there, actually, yeah, he does.
How does he get your name and story out there? What kind of distribution does he do? Does he take books to conventions to sell?
I ask because I'd never heard of this company before this thread, so if I hadn't heard of the company, why would I hear of its authors?
CharlesV:
He's just starting out as a publisher, I'm just starting out as an author. Seems like a good match to me.
Well, he's been in business for over a year so he's not that new and he's certainly been around long enough to have got his distribution and marketing more organised than it seems to be.
CharlesV:
before I started posting, what I saw was mostly trash talk about Tony
Well wherever you saw that, it wasn't on this thread - unless you count "trash talk" as comprising of
watchdog querying whether anyone had any information on LDP because the only information s/he had
found was on another website which seemed to be v. negative.
If you can't distinguish between something being said on a blog wholly independent from and separate to this page that you're actually commenting on then I feel sorry for you. But that doesn't give you the right to accuse people here of trashing a man you happen to like when there is not one quote in this thread where a poster is making such negative comments about him as an individual human being - we're talking about him and his company in the context of publishing and whether it's good for authors.
If you're that upset about what you read on the blog that actually trashes him, I suggest you take your feelings there rather than wrongly ascribing them to people here who are confining their comments to LDP.
CharlesV:
It's linked in by one of the early posts in this thread.
A couple posts later, he was tagged as a clueless know-nothing, not-ready for prime time... etc.
The Tony Sucks blog is linked to in the first post. All your ranting about people slagging him off is presumably your ranting about comments on that blog. That blog is nothing to do with AW. After some confusion as to what LDP was,
smcc360 then said this:
smcc360:
Based on his shaky grasp of copyright law, I don't know if this is a guy I'd be comfortable submitting original work to, watchdog.
and
HapiSofi said:
QUOTE]HapiSofi:
A clueless no-distribution not-ready-for-prime-time press is bad enough. But a clueless no-distribution not-ready-for-prime-time press that's playing fast and loose with copyrights in ways that could get them tied up in court for years? Run away, very fast.[/QUOTE]
These are not comments bashing Tony. They are comments about how a publisher who appears to not have any distribution in place at the time it is accepting submissions is not a good one to go to. That's not rocket science and it's the type of comment that will get made about any start-up that appears to lack distribution and which was (presumably) at the time posting incorrect things about copyright.
If you don't like that then it's your problem. It does not amount to bashing an individual.
CharlesV:
Technically, that makes me the best expert authority here on that subject, the subject of actually having experience with him.
Mazel tov. The problem is that we've already established (and you already admit) that you don't have any experience with other publishers. The people posting here do.
Again, if you don't want to hear where there are possible problems with your publisher then that's your affair. Don't accuse us of bashing though just because we're pointing out potential issues.
CharlesV:
I'm sorry that my unvarnished opinion, you find rude, when I'm soley thinking of what will benefit writers and allow them to grow... not only as writers, but also as responsible people, who don't need to bash the reputation of a man who's done them no wrong.
Well again, let's look at the fact that no one here is bashing the reputation of this man that you are so staunchly defending.
Then let's consider the fact that we're making comments about issues with a publisher that are relevant to any writer considering submitting to them.
And finally let's dwell on the irony of your calling some people here "mean-spirited" for exactly the type of behaviour that you have demonstrated on this thread.
CharlesV:
I'm trying to encourage people to be considerate, and not to run around calling people clueless and, etc. etc.
This will help them to grow as people
That's very sweet of you but you're not my dad. You don't get to tell me how I should or should not behave.
CharlesV:
All I know is, I've been very upset that a good man's reputation is being trashed.
Except for where it isn't.
Really, the only person here talking about Tony's reputation is you and honestly, you're not helping it right now.
MM