dragonjax said:
So I should have said "Jewish mysticism" in the thread title. Could you explain a little more about the difference between influencing our own inate powers (which, I assume, one learns from studying the true sources [non Christian/Islam-influenced versions] or from a learned mentor) and harnessing these powers for our own use, which you say is something completely different? Is it that mysticism is a way of understanding the universe, God, and our place in it, and that we can--not shape things, but suggest certain paths/outcomes by voicing the right, um, wording? prayer? to God and/or the various angels/archangels? Is this even close to being sort of correct?
Jackie:
First of all NOTHING OFFENDS. What I do get pissed at (especially being a former NYer like you) is when others portend or place themselves as experts in areas they have not a clue what they are talking about. That grates on the need for some intellectual honesty. But nothing really offends me.
You hit almost a bingo in the above statement. It is VERY true and it is VERY false. Dichotomy.
Conflict. (important word that is - CONFLICT)
J. mystical teachings ideas etc. sees the world on many different plains of existence. There is the REAL world the hear and now - past present and future - which is dealt with in a series of laws derived from the OT. This is the world that ONE MUST concentrate upon and on.
There are other plains of existence though. That of Heaven and Hell, that of angels and demons. And that of the idea of God.
I do NOT want to get too complicated. But I will try to explain in short. The first and most foremost question of the Kabalah, is this:
If God is all over and as the Talmudic statement says 'God is the place for the world and the world is NOT the place for God' meaning that the world (universe) exists within God's mind and creation and not that the Universe is home for God - then how did the universe come into existence? It is a theological-philosophical equivalent of the scientific question.
If God is all over and God is God then everything should be God. So the Kabalah came up with its first and most famous statement of "zimzum" which for lack of any better term would mean Implosion. God made space for the Universe to come into being. (This is about as much as I am willing to go for now in the discussion of Creation ideas with mystical ideas.) Thus with this ZimZum the Kabalah and so to Judiasm had to come to grips with the creation of good and evil. For evil is impossible in the mind of God who is all good. (I hope you are following).
This is NOT just a theological question on the existence of evil to the Kabalah. This is a CREATION question - one which must be understood to come to grips with the way God created and let the world run.
It is the belief of Judiasm that man has all the power to shape things. This is also an age old problem in Judaism which Maimonides was fascinated with. The exsistence of foreknowledge on the part of God (God has no past present future) and thus God knows all that was all that is and all the will be, and yet the insistence in Judaism that man has free will. Total and complete FREE WILL.
All these I bring to your attention for they demand thought. They are just chapter headings, if you will.
Thus a whole series of creations - not just the world but the various heavens and hells as well as the various spheres of influences that are needed or desired or must be tapped into to reach "divine" thought. (The Sefirot - very much misunderstood especially here at AW).
None of this can be divorced from the other. None of this can be taken as just one part and thus one may say...okay if I get the sefirot right, then I can influence an angel or demon etc. and I can get the right numbers for the Lotto. Just does not happen that way.
Okay move on further.....Angels are part of all this. But we do NOT pray to angels. One who is emmeshed within Kaballah may call upon an Angel to intercede in Heaven for him or others (many Hassidic legends are based upon this) BUT there is NO praying to an angel as an independent source separate of God. Any Talmudic story that even leans towards defining itself as such is immediately reitereated, explained and discussed.
Prayer to God is also a very deep ingrained notion in Judaism. We pray 3 times a day. Our lives revolve around it. The question as to what prayer should or may accomplish is complicated as well. (A great deal of my published short stories are about this very subject in literary fiction.)
This is all disjointed. But trust me on this, Jackie, there is logic in what little I have written. The fact is that this is a long and deeply involved subject which would demand of you an incredible amount of background information.
(MY WIP - The Chronicles of the Children of Heaven is based on a lot on the angels and demons and the seven heavens and hells.)