Index to the PublishAmerica Sub-Forum

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Whether you are an (ex-)PA author or just morbidly curious, welcome to AW’s much-cited forum for all things PublishAmerica.

Condensed: The Reasons We Don’t Recommend PA

The thread that started it all: The Never-Ending Publish America Thread (aka NEPAT) (11/03 – 2/06)

Discussion continued here: The New Never-Ending Publish America Thread (NEPAT, Part II) (2/06 – 9/09)

And is currently here: The Newer Never-Ending PublishAmerica Thread (NEPAT, PART III) (9/09 – present)

[Partial] highlights of the above: Index to the NEPATs (11/03 – 1/05)

But wait, there’s more! Categorized as … :

  • Analysis of PA’s claims and policies
  • How PA compares to honest POD printers, commercial publishers, etc.
  • Analysis of PA’s contract (and advice on how to escape it)
  • Atlanta Nights & other sting operations
  • I’m Free! Now what?
  • PA as seen by the industry and news media
  • Testimonials, Positive
  • Testimonials, Negative
  • Requests for details re: your PA experience
  • Calls for legal and advocate action (and the results of same)
  • Are PA employees culpable?
  • General discussions of everything PublishAmerica
  • Stipid PA Tricks
  • PA-induced humor (intentional and otherwise)
  • Comments on or about PA’s website, bookstore, and message boards
  • Particular PA books and authors
  • Public encounters with PA authors
  • Hi, I’m…
  • AW saved me from PA
  • Misc. PA questions and comments
  • Threads that were taken outside
  • Non-PA items
There are plenty of existing threads for general comments. PLEASE add to one rather than create a new thread for every question.

Thank you, and enjoy!


Analysis of PA’s Claims and Policies
The 49 copies myth
Their business plan
Why would a writer do this? (“editing” options)
An email from PA
Member of Assoc. of American Publishers
How To Upset a Goliath Book Biz
Interview with Miranda
PA’s Newsletters
I need a little input (returns policy)
75 years? PA response to refusing contract
A Google ad above my inbox in gmail
PA Novels (pricing)
My latest email from PA
PA spams cell phones now?
PA divorces Amazon
Are they now rejecting (manuscripts)?
Pricing Nonsense
PA And The Credit Crunch
PA not charging a fee
Funny thing thought I would share
WTF?! Royalty Statements?
Publish America email exchange
The “Numbers Game” – just how does it work
Look kids, it’s a brand new shiny 900-number!
PA and the Guinness Book of World Records
Effect of new PA $4 price tags
Attn: New PublishAmerica Authors
PublishAmerica’s August 2010 Royalty Statement
PublishAmerica Revenue
Sales after Contract Expiration

How PA compares to honest POD printers, commercial publishers, etc.
Royalties for used books
PA a vanity press?
Is Publish America Good? Yes or No
The PublishAmerica Rocks (Not) Thread
Other Choices?
Seven years is not normal
How Do They Figure (bookstore placement)?
PA books no longer carried online(?)
PA “New Releases’ Analysis (pricing)
Would you accept PA if they…
PA vs Lulu
Publish America vs Lulu
Press releases
I thought you couldn’t find PA books at Borders…
Would PA ever be a good option?
What you won’t get from PA
While perusing the Local Authors section…
What do PA books cost to produce?
PA and movie rights
I just submitted to PA TELL ME WHAT IS THE DEAL
Not giving in the full manuscript?
Logical alternatives
PA will publish my next book, if I buy 75 copies of my last book
PublishAmerica’s stock image covers
Alternatives to PublishAmerica
But I’ve seen PA books available in online stores
OK, PA’s Out…What do I do now?
Vanity Press is Vanity Press

Analysis of PA’s Contract (and Advice on How to Escape It)
How to get your book back from PA
The “non-exclusive amendment” and “release agreement”
The main contract
Another PA Author Needs Advice
How do you get out of a PA contract?
Rights returned
Another newbie (needs help)
Help me get away from PA!
How does one cancel a PA contract?
PA victim
Q’s about PA contract
Can I make the contract void?
PA legality issues
I’m a PA author wanting out of my contract…
Older PA contracts
Help? New PA contract – need help.
Publish America Contract Expiration
Fight my rights
I want out of my contract
The Term of License Contract
Unbounded joy!
No-go for me on PA contract termination
How Can I Get My Manuscript Back?
PA: A SHOT in the dark
After a year long battle, today victory…!
PA’s Address?
PA contract expiring
How Can I Get Out of a PublishAmerica Contract?
Can I talk to publishers/agents for my book before its PA contract expires?
$99 for my rights back!
Help! New PA author--is it too late for me?
Need some advice
Contract Release!
Interesting e-mail…
Getting out from under PA: does re-writing my book constitute a new book if I change it 10%
Purchasing Your Book Rights Back From PA
Did you buy my book – Congressional Bible Study?
Making sure my contract ends?
Can PublishAmerica terminate me for this?
PA Extended Rights
So what is the next step?
Publishing w/o Contract
PA will let me go, but…

Atlanta Nights & Other Sting Operations
Initial Teaser for Atlanta Nights (post #5399)
Uncle Jim describes the bait and the cast (posts #5543, 47 & 49)
PA takes it, hook, line & sinker (post #5561)
Get every glorious detail about Atlanta Nights here:
It’s a Bird!...No, it's a TURKEY! (Crack of Death)
Canuck PA poetry sting
Got a good laugh today
Can we start another project?
PublishAmerica: Interesting Response
Atlanta Nights – The Movie!

I’m Free! Now what?
Released from PA – now what?
(how do I find an agent?)
How many have found new publishers?
A PA Question (salvaging book)
My book has been selling on ebay...?!
Commentary on Agents’ and Publishers’ stances on PA
Just curious…(finding real publisher)
Getting online stores to remove canceled PA books
Getting your book unlisted (from Bowker)
Book selling after contract release
PA copyright of book covers
ISBN numbers (canceling/removing)
A year and a half later…(book still selling)
Life after PA
Our PA book lives again!
My PA book’s still being sold
What about the ISBN?
Lemons – Alternative to PA & my decision
Finding an Agent or Agency, daunting task!
Life After PA
Going Forward – Question About Reprints

PA as Seen by/in the Industry and News Media
Article in Publishers’ Weekly, part I
Article in Publishers’ Weekly, part II
WD Book Club and Publish America
The Debate (Shelagh)
What Professional Writers, Editors, and Agents Say About PA
News article on PA and other “non-traditional” publishers
Radio interview with Jenna Glatzer
I hate seeing this…
Blacklisting PA authors?
OMG! You won’t believe this!
Dr. Phil???
Troubled: What should I do?
Bookstores no longer have PA signings?
The newspaper ran a story
PA mentioned in NY Times article as if they were real publisher
DogEar Publishing denounces PA as more expensive than self publishing
Sometimes PA Can Be The Publisher of Choice…
What Would You Do?
9News (Colorado) runs “feel good” story about PA author
Why PublishAmerica’s press releases aren’t printed in newspapers

Testimonials, Positive
Uh oh! James negotiates price!
My experience with PublishAmerica
Tips on how to make a PA book work for you
PA – The best thing to EVER happen to unknown authors
I did it too thanks to PA
PublishAmerica backer
New here, and my experience with PA
PublishAmerica is not a scam

Testimonials, Negative
I’m through with PublishAmerica
I…asked for my contract to end!
Sent me two statements for same book
A Get Out Clause: PA books to be made marketable
Rejected by PA
3rd book accepted by PA their offer stinks!
PA breached my contract
My experience with Publish America
My HUGE royalty check from PA (lol)
PA victim looking for a lifejacket
A change of heart: the truth will set you free
My PA mistake
In A Fight for Justice with PA
My PublishAmerica Experience
Yet Another PA complaint
My experience with Publish America

Requests for Details re: Your PA Experience
Self-purchased books at PA
PA contract release
PublishAmerica (marketing) ploys
I need a quote from an ex-PA author
Anyone had GOOD experience?
PA royalty issues
Writing life after PA
For those published by PA – a question
I’m doing research for an article on author mills…
Beware of PublishAmerica

Calls for Legal and Advocate Action (and the Results of Same)
Lightning Source Lawsuit
Media Targets
Write the Congressman
Who to contact
Oracle’s odyssey
Class Action Lawsuit Against PA
So why aren’t they behind bars?
20/20 and Scam Reports on PA
The Maria Pacha thread
How do we turn writing scams into a felony?
My words may not be appreciated here…
Truth in Advertising
Publish America lawsuits
Worst scam? (MSNBC poll)
InstaBook Corp. vs PA
PA Under Siege
Update to BBB Listing
PublishAmerica, LLLP v. Lightning Source, Inc. (LSI)
PA Writers--Post a review about the company!
Stop PublishAmerica

Are PA Employees Culpable?
PA Employees
Legitimate targets
How does PA manage to pay their employees?
Who’s who at PublishAmerica
PA editor proclaims innocence
Words from an ex-employee
Ex-employees of PA speak out
Conversation with a PA Rep…
I used to work at publishamerica.
PA from the inside

General Discussions of Everything PublishAmerica
Condensed PA Thread II
Consolidated PA Thread
Beware PublishBrittanica / PublishAtlantica
(Unedited) archive of the NEPAT
NEPAT Overflow
The PublishAmerica Wars
Is PA a cult?
The Function of PublishAmerica
My Publish America article
Mind control made easy
Is Publish America a cult?
PA overview sent to cult researcher

Stipid PA Tricks
PA Targeting Nanos
You have GOT to be kidding me!!!
Fine, whatever
Third Notice…
The Ongoing Hellocopter Adventures
PA must be getting desperate
Publish America’s Carousel of Magically Rotating Email Offers
Independence Books
Threats from PublishAmerica
More Dung from the PublishAmerica Landfill
PublishAmerica – Book Doctor?
PublishAmerica and the Amazon Studios Contest
PA’s Special Offers aka But I thought they wanted my book, not my money …
An open invitation to be sued by JKR?

PA-Induced Humor (Intentional and Otherwise)
PA is a viable solution for me
Lords of the Prance
Thread of the Living Dead (Shemp)
Excuses for PA management
Verses of the Stipid Darf
Book Titles from Stipidland
Glossary of PA-related terms
Name the new PA imprint!
PA author passes
If PA ran a different business
Fun with Google print
The Mythical Origins of PA
A PublishAmerica Nightmare
Any chance they’d take this?
I made a signature banner
Elite House – The Final Chapter
Author: the role-playing game
Mildly inappropriate cartoon
Don’t listen to the negative stuff
The PA cycle of emotions
The New Insipid PA Slogan Thread
Lines Unedited by PA - LUBPA
Considering Publish America? Click me!
So, I’m shopping a novel around…

Comments on or about PA’s Website, Bookstore, and Message Boards
HB Marcus = PA Employee
Issuing apologies
PA Forum Monitor Rules
This is so much bull!!!
PAMB and its quotes
How many banned from PAMB?
PA bookstore: They can’t even cut and paste
PA website down?
PA forums gone?
AW has its own thread on the PA boards
I’ve been banned from PA
Porn spam on PA bookstore
Son of PAMB and its Quotes
PublishAmerica Writer’s Opinion
Banned: Banded Together
PA on Twitter
Return of a Man Named PAMB and its Quotes
Banned from the PA message board

Particular PA Books and Authors
H.B. Marcus
Thank YOU, Thank YOU Soooo Much!!!
Shelly’s Diary
Vortex of Revelation
PA book reviewed in Chicago Sun-Times
Spam from an unknown PA author
Blast from the Past
How NOT to sell your PA book
Spammed by a PA author
PA author passes
This made me laugh - a PA press release
PA Author Joe Gadreau
PA author gets fired because of book
Could a case be made for…
PA Promo-Style Protege
Former CIA station chief, alleged rapist published with PA
PublishAmerica author sues Stephen King for plagiarism
PA and the Serial Killer
Eclectic Authors Showcase

Public Encounters with PA Authors
What to do?
How would you deal with this situation?
How would you have dealt with it?
Policy on warning people off PA?
Help for a friend
Tried to warn someone
Never thought I’d have a PA problem…

Hi, I’m…
Traumatized by lying, cheating publishers
PA Authors welcome to AW
Contract terminated
Former PA author new to AW
Kicking the PA habit
PA and Reaganville
I’ve Been Scammed…Now I Don’t Know What to Do
“Marketing Guy” Speaks out
New to the PA forum
Ohh the joys of wisdom.
The Great White Hoax
Depressed, please lend advice?
Buyer Beware! Hindsight May Be 20/20, But It Doesn’t Change Anything
Hi, my name is ____ and I’m a PA author…
Accusations Against PA Irrefutably Validated!
Publish America in 2011
I’ve done the big nasty with PA …
Another ex PA author here, finally ready to move on
My Story with PublishAmerica by An Almost Victim

AW Saved Me From PA
Thank you for all the PA posts
Thanks for the info
A narrow escape
Thank you!
Thank you for this forum!

Misc. PA Questions and Comments
PA poll
Anybody have experience with PublishAmerica?
My Thoughts On the PA Issue
Public Announcement
Publish America … Thoughts?
I was a victim of two scammers and a plagiarizer
Caller, after contacting PublishAmerica
PA’s grammar problems
Red flags – reverse engineered
On Not Blaming The Victim
Legal help needed, please
I am excited
Time Out
Can PA take money from you?
I have to say goodbye to PA
PA chasing me
What do you think of PA?
Guestbook slimers
Inspired by PA authors
Stop romanticizing PA books!
I quit!
Heard of PA?
PA authors then and now
Message boards about PA
Hoorah! Release from PA
Pay attention – no more PA attention
This is what writing is about…
Ha! I saw it!
Lost in translation? Or just lost in the email pit?
Addicted to the PA threads
Wish More People Would Do Research…
PA Street Address (Not PO Box)
I feel so evil now
New girl with a question
PA Doesn’t Talk to Me anymore
The History of PA
The official PA “So bad it’s good thread”
I’m curious…
Note from a mostly impartial onlooker
Book removed from PA website
Actual size of PA – number of employees?
Future in Writing?
I have a question?
Since my decision to dump PA life is better
horray! Publish America offered me a contract.
Looking for updated info. on publishers
Is PA desperate or what?
The least PA could do…
Welcome PublishAmerica Authors - Make this thread the first one you read here!
Troubled. What am I?
PublishAmerica management
Moving Forward After the PA Faux pas
Probably a waste of time…
Willie vs the IRS
Another PA-Related Lawsuit
Beware of PA
PA Blows Furious Steam!
Merry Christmas to PA
Received A Letter Today
Denial, It Ain’t Just A River in Egypt Baby
Publish America
New Website Warning of PA

Threads That Were Taken Outside
Simon’s Sayings, etc.
The Devil Made Me Do It…
Hashing and Re-hashing
She’s kidding, right? Right???
PA book to be removed from Toronto Public Library System

Non-PA Items
Really irresponsible article on self publishing in WPost
Miranda Prather faked a hate crime?
Where’d my post go?
Where did Overflow go?
Okay, now you can spread out…
Good online hygiene
Very sad news
How legal is it…? (retail pricing)
What we deserve
Starting a new publisher
I’m coming back
Online book sales stagnant
The Dandelion Through the Crack thread
Ingrams website
What are you thankful for?
The Dave Kuzminski Thread
A critical blog about this forum
The Jeff Miller Show
Is PandE still getting sued
Contest that seemingly has a PA connection
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Alrighty, there's the rough. Feel free to comment and I'll refine it tomorrow. :)

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Oh, wow. Good work, Cao (as usual). Not only do they get their own sub-forum, they get an index page entirely dedicated to them. How flattering. :D


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Would it clarify or confuse to label the legendary threads (e.g., Shemp)? :cool:


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Index refined. Let me know how it works for y'all. :e2steer:


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Indeed, sometimes the titles are the best part. :D Will do.

ETA: Done. Some titles edited for sake of brevity and relevance.

:e2poke: Good online hygiene
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It appears the index may need another topic. Black Rose Writing.


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Is there a template letter that people could use to contact PA?

Maybe there is and I haven't seen it. That could be helpful. We could make it a project.


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There's one in here somewhere, which is all the more reason for me to get crackin' and update the Index. Where do the years go...? :eek:

I'll start on it this weekend. Really. Scouts' Honor. :e2salute:


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Alrighty, update's done.

As for a template, one letter that worked is here. Just keep it to the facts and be persistent. Good luck!


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Just a note that I've updated the Index. Please PM me with any bad links, etc.

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