I can try that with one of my scenes. Yeah I see what you mean by looking into a dictionary feedback. I have gotten better in my word choice but I can always still improve. Tbh this was the first I heard of smargadineI know your'e kindof hesitant to share your work, but maybe sharing one scene might help. And say at the start "the thing I really want to work on is improving showing vs telling, could you please focus your feedback on that?" And then see what people have to say.
Purple prose is when stuff is too ornate to really be understood. My (kind of not nice) feedback to that is "gee, you sure did right click ==> thesaurus in Word, didn't you?" And I can get the feeling this is what someone did because they are using a word that is really long/complex (a "ten dollar word" or "SAT word"), which sticks out because the rest of the text doesn't have words likes that, and, this is the big thing, the word has the wrong definition/vibe than what the writer intended. The memeable example that you'd see in fanfics is green eyes being described as "smargadine orbs." Like, okay, orb instead of eyes. It works, but it's kind of awkward and not really cool/beautiful/sexy/whatever. "Smargadine" is a ye olde word meaning "pertaining to emeralds," like the gemstones. And/or the color of emeralds. Which is green.
But "smargadine" has a really awkward sound to it. Most people aren't going to know what the hell it means (this is the "too ornate to really be understood" part). It's going to take the reader out and say "what the hell is this." But some people think that using big words makes you sound more smarterer. That REAL WRITERS need to have voluminous vernacular, or else how else will people know you have a colossal cortext? Word choice is a tool in storytelling, which means you need to know what the use of the tool is and when to use it. Which is why you need to crack open a dictionary and look at the vibes (slang, colloquial, academic, insult) and exact definition of a word.
To save you having to start threads about all the various aspects of the writing craft, I am going to suggest that you read through these two threads, which cover the basics very well and are an excellent learning reference.Oh I get it. For example if I want to show someone is cold, I can have the mc say he is cold via dialogue
If it's too much useless information, yes. Every now and then is no big deal, but I've seen books where just about every single line of dialog or every paragraph contains the type of thing I illustrated. If I can be shown what's going on with the dialog, or the first part of the description, then there's no need to keep reading until the next line of dialog or the next paragraph. Very often I will start skimming if it's becoming clear this is how the writer is going to present things throughout the book. I've even seen some established writers do this, so I imagine it has its fans.Will you risk the reader skipping through it if it too much information
Oh I get it. For example if I want to show someone is cold, I can have the mc say he is cold via dialogue
Show him struggling to button up his coat because his fingers are numb. (Or whatevs. I live in a place that doesn't do cold so I've forgotten what it's like.)
That's still telling. You're just doing it through the character's words.
Show him struggling to button up his coat because his fingers are numb. (Or whatevs. I live in a place that doesn't do cold so I've forgotten what it's like.)
I’ve been following this thread off and on through the day, and find it illuminating. A few moments ago, while playing with my cat, I thought of a splendid little example, from Jubilate Agno:Oh I get it. For example if I want to show someone is cold, I can have the mc say he is cold via dialogue
How would your character say they're cold?
"Brr."
"It's ****ing freezing!"
"Of course the temperature drops the day I forget to bring my coat."
Part of showing is how your character experiences things.
Show breath fogging.
Let the reader "hear" the sound as an icicle shatters after breaking off the eave of the house.
Let the reader taste the hot cocoa when your character comes in from the cold and warms up.
Let the reader feel the air is so cold it feels like it's burning exposed skin.
How you show will depend on the character. A kid might be having so much fun they ignore the cold until they're ready to go in. An adult might grumble about having to scrape the car to go to work.
Will you risk the reader skipping through it if it too much information
This. But also remember that some readers just want to get on with the story to see where it goes, while other readers like to be immersed in details as if they are actually there. Spend some time in the SYW forum, and see how people crit stories. You'll find some who say "Here is where you lost me" while others "This is so rich! Wonderful!" Even just seeing the range of input you've gotten in this thread indicates to me that we've gone beyond the basics and into a realm where there is a lot of gray that will depend on execution.One trick I had to learn was to trust the reader to pick up on things. I don't need to spell everything out. I can sometimes just hint at something or foreshadow things and most readers will get it.
One trick I had to learn was to trust the reader to pick up on things. I don't need to spell everything out. I can sometimes just hint at something or foreshadow things and most readers will get it.
It's a balancing act, and I know what you mean because I too am a skimmer. I am a believer in "What you tell me three times is true", so if something is important to know I try to wodge it in three times. But I am also a believer in "If you show, you don't need to tell" so I try to strip out all my extraneous "she had long blonde hair" telling statements and instead show her being able to tie her hair back in a knot, then show her choosing a pink rather than red ribbon because it goes better with light coloured hair, and then needing an extra-large hair net when she goes to work as a sous-chef.This is curious, because I don't trust the readers (I'm forced to for the sake of the craft), but one persistent concern I have is the mere chance they'd miss something. Since I'm not a very attentive reader, or rather I skim when the going gets tedious, how can I expect anyone else to be different from me? Ideally, I'd leave no room for misunderstanding or lapses in comprehending what is going on.
This is something I've been wondering. Where is it actually better to tell? It's something I've been meaning to ask.An important thing to understand though is that showing isn't automatically better than telling. Knowing when to tell and when to show is just as important as figuring out how to show things. Sometimes writers aren't actually struggling with showing, they're trying too hard to show too many things all the time, and when it doesn't work, they think it's because they're crap at showing rather than realising it's not working because it's a situation when it's better to tell.
It's a tough question, because it would depend on the story's pace and style. But generally, I use telling when I feel that it a) speeds up the story, b) provides a wider look at the world of the story, c) adds voice to the story.This is something I've been wondering. Where is it actually better to tell? It's something I've been meaning to ask.
By developing your ear through reading and practice you will develop your own preferences. My opinion is formed by Maass's Emotional Craft of Fiction, and reading.This is something I've been wondering. Where is it actually better to tell? It's something I've been meaning to ask.
Thanks for that description. I have a tendency to worry about aspects of my writing and it helps to have other writers to ask, helps balance my worry with reality.By developing your ear through reading and practice you will develop your own preferences. My opinion is formed by Maass's Emotional Craft of Fiction, and reading.
(1) Summary is a good place for telling. e.g. When she arrived, she took a small room above the tavern. e.g. The next six months passed in an unremarkable way.
(2) Interiority (emotions) can often use some degree of telling. e.g. He wasn't just depressed, he was downright miserable. e.g. Another woman might be flattered by the words, but not Irene. She was enraged by them.
People will say "Don't say He was sad because it's too telly." But if you read widely, you realize authors use variations of this kind of telling all the time. They simply dress it up, make it interesting, add a twist, add context, movement, time, conflict, or a second and third emotion alongside the first.
He hadn't been so demoralized since the summer of 1992, when his dog lost her entire litter to heartworm.
The loss made him sad, yes, but he couldn't deny a sense of hope that things would turn around soon.
Thanks for that description. I have a tendency to worry about aspects of my writing and it helps to have other writers to ask, helps balance my worry with reality.By developing your ear through reading and practice you will develop your own preferences. My opinion is formed by Maass's Emotional Craft of Fiction, and reading.
(1) Summary is a good place for telling. e.g. When she arrived, she took a small room above the tavern. e.g. The next six months passed in an unremarkable way.
(2) Interiority (emotions) can often use some degree of telling. e.g. He wasn't just depressed, he was downright miserable. e.g. Another woman might be flattered by the words, but not Irene. She was enraged by them.
People will say "Don't say He was sad because it's too telly." But if you read widely, you realize authors use variations of this kind of telling all the time. They simply dress it up, make it interesting, add a twist, add context, movement, time, conflict, or a second and third emotion alongside the first.
He hadn't been so demoralized since the summer of 1992, when his dog lost her entire litter to heartworm.
The loss made him sad, yes, but he couldn't deny a sense of hope that things would turn around soon.
I heartily second that.An important thing to understand though is that showing isn't automatically better than telling. Knowing when to tell and when to show is just as important as figuring out how to show things. Sometimes writers aren't actually struggling with showing, they're trying too hard to show too many things all the time, and when it doesn't work, they think it's because they're crap at showing rather than realising it's not working because it's a situation when it's better to tell.
Yes. Giving just the right amount of info is another of the hard parts of being a writer.Will you risk the reader skipping through it if it too much information
I was going to recommend this. How to do both and strengths and weaknesses of each.Showing and telling - Laurie Alberts
The above book covers that, and Woollybear's answer. But it'll come down to what's in your story and whether it's better told or shown. Sometimes (often for me!) you can't judge that for yourself. An early reader/editor can help. I tend to write too much in scene and lack in the summary/interior thoughts department without which a story or character reads flat.This is something I've been wondering. Where is it actually better to tell? It's something I've been meaning to ask.