I merged cptbear's question with the Hill & Hill thread, if anyone is confused.
06-11-2006, 02:43 AM
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Hill and Hill
Anyone know what has happened to these people? They used to be advertised on Firstwriter and now their entry has vanished. I know they had quite a large client base in the UK - have they ceased trading?
06-12-2006, 01:55 PM
Website is still there and still no sales listed.
06-21-2006, 08:49 AM
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Apparently, when the agency first started, H&H paid for a number of their clients to have Firstwriter subscriptions so that they could share their experiences of H&H with the wider world. H&H say that Firstwriter were always aware of this arrangement. A few weeks ago, Firstwriter noticed that several of the comments were from subscribers who had been paid for by H&H (had they forgotten so quickly about the original arrangement?). Firstwriter removed these comments. H&H got miffed and the whole agency has been removed from the site. (I wonder if m'learned friends were involved at any point.)
06-21-2006, 01:21 PM
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Any of the account holders care to comment?
On another point, has anyone met any of Hill's editors/agents? I have only spoken to him by phone but apparently they have a 'large running staff'.
victoriastrauss said:If this is Hill and Hill, they charge upfront fees. There are also a number of red flags at their website, including a total lack of information on who's actually running the agency; reference to a "proof reading and editing service"; and no sign of sales. A spot check of their listed clients doesn't turn up any publications.
Mystery Shopper said:Been having a lot of difficulties with these people (or should I say 'person'). They have been sending identical 'updates' to me and a lot of other clients I have been in email contact with. On contacting Hill last week, he informed me that his office is now located in Spain. (?) Yes, make of that what you will.
Another piece of advice for would-be or existing clients. Hill doesn't actually have any business premises. The 'agency' was run from his home. So whether he employed any staff or 'partners' I also leave open to your conjecture.
There are lies, there are damned lies, and there are Hill and Hill. Avoid.
Popeyesays said:To my memory a residence in Spain by British subjects was a famous tax dodge. As long as the person remained living abroad they could avoid Inland Revenue.
Is that still the case?
GeoffNelder said:Some of have published works to our name, including me, but if any others would like to get in touch with me via my e-mail, I will be happy to correspond.Geoff Nelder
But has Mr. Hill sold any books for you, or for those other clients?GeoffNelder said:I too am in touch with several of H&H clients. Some of have published works to our name, including me
GeoffNelder said:Good of you to ask. Refer to my website where details of my publications hang out.What is the name of your publisher?Geoff
“To All Concerned
Please excuse this blanket e-mail message, a copy is being forwarded to all clients at this time.
It may have come to your attention an extremely negative campaign against our company via the internet and in several cases in person and conventional mail. At first we were lax to respond and perhaps this has caused such problems.
Now due to harassment we are forced to respond to allegation and attack.
It was stated some time ago that our premises in Scotland were due to be vacated, this has taken place in the last few weeks. We have always maintained an office in Almeria from previous business ventures. This is now our central office. Details of office and address will be forwarded accordingly.
Comments of duplication etc were founded sometime ago, action was taken against the individual responsible, it seems the matter was to to a greater degree than first thought.
Our contact details will change as the UK number id due to be unlisted and the e-mail addresses closed, this is due to a few reasons. The @HillandHill addresses are linked to opur website, this is now closed, and the btconnect address in closed due to account termination. our new site which will be starliteraryservice will be launched in October, contract details will be forwarded via post by the close of the week, Justin Chambers will forwarding e-mails from our new address by close of month. All current matters of representation will still be dealt with in the usual manner, all parties are aware of our change of location and contact details.
We can only apologize for this scenario, and will forward the contact information as soon as possible.
Please be advised that this e-mail address as all others will be terminated all response will be dealt with when we forward contact information from our new address.
I've been tracking the Sunshine Literary Agency (the current owner is Pia Hoffman, who took it over from Carole McGinnis and Steve Greene in 2001 or 2002) under one managership or another since 1998. It's located in Mims, Florida, not California, and according to my latest documentation charges $175 upfront. I'm sure Dave has documentation on this agency also.I have found links to the Sunshine Literary Agency in California who also provide a very similar contract to H & H, a rather elusive Ms Hoffman was not forthcoming when I was able to track her down.