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That should get this thread started....
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Are you aware that Teresa Nielsen Hayden, who writes Making Light, is an editor at Tor Books? That Jim McDonald here makes a living writing more (terrific!) books than I can shake a stick at, with major houses? That . . . oh, you get the idea.I've found that the more knowledgable they are in the book selling industry, the more they like my process.
So you got rejected. It happens. Those who become successful authors tend to react to it by working on their writing.If you believe in yourself long enough to hold out - good luck with that. That is your choice, your path and strictly your decision. But not everyone feels that way -I know I didn't!
You are wrong, mistaken, and barking up the wrong tree. I've never submitted a book to anyone in my life. My opinions are based on my knowledge of conventional publishing, and my familiarity with the sales pitches and realities of vanity PODs like your own.You do your fellow authors a disservice to talk them out of proceeding because of a decision you've made for your book.
Authors all take different paths. Successful publishers are somewhat less variable, since they have to take cognizance of real-world facts.If there is one thing I've learned is that everyone takes a completely different path in this business.
There are a number of paths to real publication. Ignoring them all, taking off into the underbrush, and winding up lost in a thorny bog is not "finding your own way." Your follies are your own concern. Our only interest is that you're doing your best to lure others into the bog along with you.I don't want you to copy my path - you couldn't if you tried. And most successful authors would tell you that too. You have to find your own way.
Oh, my. That's interesting. You think the only people who sell books are authors, and that they're the only ones who understand distribution channels. That is, you've never gone anywhere near legit publishing, or real bookselling and distribution. It's not part of your worldview at all.If you're not in print yet, then you aren't selling books, you don't understand the distribution channels or the supply chains - so you really can't comment on that from a point of experience. So don't!
Nope. Not gonna do it. I know the answer. As I said before, you don't have a sales force or a distribution deal. You don't take returns, either. (I'm not sure you know what they are.) And since you don't have those things, you also don't have your authors' books on bookstore shelves. There may be a few copies in a few stores, where your authors have talked the managers into it; but that's all.I don't know where you live to tell you if you can find the books on the shelves or not. Take an ISBN off www.bookstobelievein.com and go to a bookstore and figure it out. You can get it from the web wherever you live, that's why the bookstore's links are included with the book. I won't even attempt to predict what you'll find at a bookstore, because I don't know whether you're going to a large giant or the neighborhood independent bookstore. I don't know if you're going to get a knowledgable salesclerk or a trainee. So, just go and test.
Most FRPGs are.My authors and I are enjoying this process, it is a lot of fun.
Really no kidding how interesting. Where was the signing, who were the authors, and what books were being signed and sold?I took ten of them to a signing on Saturday and we sold 130 books. We had a blast!
Huge conglomerate, check. Impersonal, check. I already knew you'd never come into contact with a real publishing house; this just helps confirm it.I meet my authors, I am part of their lives and I am one of their friends, because being in business with someone is so much more pleasant when you are. I'm not a huge conglomerate that is faceless and political,
You're not a reasonably small press. You're a website, a printing connection, and a line of patter. As for your ability to adapt and capitalize on changes, let's start with a really obvious one: what are you doing about the Ingram reorganization, and how do you think the impending changes will affect your company?I'm a reasonably small press that has the ability to adapt rapidly to the marketplace and capitalize on it for the good of myself and all my authors!
I'm sure it's consoling to think so.But I can see you guys are operating under a ton of misconceptions.
Come to New York sometime and I'll buy you a cup of coffee.I do recommend you go to a writers group in your area and talk to people who are already in print and find out how hard a business this really is!
You're arguing with people who've done exactly that, and you're not fooling them for a minute.If you really want to wait around until you get a big contract, there are people there who have already done such a thing - go learn from them - and figure out what works for you.
[SFX: Unkind laughter.] Honey, those guys you meet in bars who tell you sure, they can sell your books? You gotta stop falling for that.
I have experience. I'm telling about it. And I'm helping those who come after by warning them not to go near your publishing business.But that is my experience. Go make your own experience and tell about it and help those who come after you.
Have you noticed how many published authors there are in this forum? There are also professional editors; and if Andy Zack has wandered over this way, there's a real live agent.
They who?Ahh, Hapi--Andy is here if you mean on the board, (though I did get an ez e-mail saying that they were on to me and that they thought it was a dirty trick to pretend to be my agent)(sigh) (people at times drive me bonkers) but I think he would stay out of this thread.(the PA one)