Bestiality: CAUTION - Adult themes and language

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Did the horse consent?

There was a man in Scotland a while back who was jailed for having sex with a goat. He was caught as he made sweet love to his beau near a railway line. Train pulls up, lots of people see him. Caught with his trousers down.

His defence? "I'm HIV positive and no human would have me."

Riiiiight. Gotta love those Scottish loons.

This recently happened in Washington State (with a horse of course) and I kid you not, the defense actually asked in court "Did the horse give it's consent to the act?"

We crazy Yanks!:roll:

See Seattle Times...

P.S. to SP; Now I know where all those bruise marks on my girlfriend are coming from...
 
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The actual bestiality happens long before the novel opens, and 'bestiality' is only a minor part of the novel, a very minor part. As a matter of fact, I have something happening between the MC and a mare near the last portion of the book.

Okay, so if your MC has a nasty, little (or not so little) secret and is visibly bothered by his lust, I'd be interested in finding out what the hell he did. If you slowly reveal what that secret is later on, it would be shocking but maybe not so off-putting. Repulsive, but not a deal-breaker (like UJ harps, the writing is everything). If in the beginning you don't make it too obvious what his secret is, but leave hints so that in the end we realize we should've seen it, it could work. Even better if after the secret is revealed, the MC fights his urges and in the end succumbs to it despite other characters' preachings on the morality of it. Now, I said in the beginning that I would read further to see what the secret was. Once I know it, I'm not sure I'd read on if he decides to pursue the matter further. And if you make his conquest graphic, you'd totally lose me.

My advice: keep his initial conquest as an act of the past like you currently have it. Keep it a secret to the reader for a while and show his inner struggle, while writing him in a way that gets us to sympathize with the MC. After the revelation, you're on your own, cuz I don't know how many people will be repulsed and stop reading, myself included (this is where your writing skills need to be top-notch, and even then it's a crap shoot). And for the love of literature, keep his final conquest off-stage... that is, don't be explicit.

And as for the suggestions from other posters regarding making your MC lust after stallions... you'd have a whole new set of problems to deal with. I recommend not attempting Brokeback bestiality. You have enough hills to climb.
 

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My MC doesn't lust after stallions; the only thing he 'lusts' after is fillies and mares in heat.
And I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain, so I wouldn't know anything about that.

About the MC and this mare... I might just edit that... maybe not remove it completely, but edit it a lot.
 

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My MC doesn't lust after stallions; the only thing he 'lusts' after is fillies and mares in heat.
And I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain, so I wouldn't know anything about that.

About the MC and this mare... I might just edit that... maybe not remove it completely, but edit it a lot.

Three words.

The. Tent. Scene.


That's all I'm gonna say.



Okay, okay, okay, I lie. For those of you who have read the Anne Proulx short story:

"Gun's goin' off!"
 

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Hmm, I just had to skim through all the replies here which took some time. Looks like you definitely touched some people in some way.

Anyhow, it was sort of a waste. I see mostly just 1-liner jokes & giggles, with nothing really to contribute at all to the original poster, so I’ll take a shot here.

First of all, I haven’t had a novel published yet, nor am I a fantasy fan, nor am I familiar with bestiality, though I thought it was spelt as beastiality so looks like I did learn one new thing! I will admit though walking past the ‘Chicks with Dicks’ magazines at the local news-stands, some of the models do look damn attractive, so does that make me gay? Good question! But on to the story…

You said your character is mostly human except for a few features. Well I fail to see how just a phew physical things such has hooves can totally change a person’s sexual preference. You ARE going to have to add in other explanations somewhere to make it believable. I could be wrong, but shouldn’t pheromones and other items be thrown in? Again, I’m not familiar with horse mating rituals, etc.

Now, getting too descriptive/graphic may not be the best thing. However if it’s fantasy, I think you can get away with this concept. I highly doubt you’re the first one to come up with this. In fact, just about everything has been done before. However, I suspect a lot of the young readers will joke & kid around about the book, just look at the reaction this thread has given. That’s ok if you add humor in it, but if you try to write this in a sincere and serious style, you may not be too happy with how people comment afterwards.

Anyhow, that being said if you were to market this pitch in Asia you’d probably have no problem. I bought a science fiction novel a few years ago which was one of Asia’s best sellers. It had won some big awards so I figured what the hell, I’ll read it. Turns out that two of the characters were lesbians and I remember a scene in detail of them having sex with a male monkey. At the time I was thinking wow, they really ARE thinking about the future in this. I wasn’t offended, just surprised, and went on to the next book after I was done without thinking much about it.

But now that I think about it, the only reason that scene probably was left in there was the American translators didn’t feel obliged to edit it out. But lets take another look at American culture. A lot of what writers can do resolves around how the society believes. For example, no one cares if say, you write about lesbian or gay protagonist couples anymore. Amazon is full of them. But spin back 50 years ago, and you’d have gotten such a horrific outlash. Why such a change? Probably because in the 70’s the government forced the psychologists to no longer lable being gay as a mental disorder. Now for all tenses & purposes it’s supposed to be NORMAL (in a certain way of course).

This NORMAL theme has been brought in and out of society and heavily debated since well before Roman times. In fact, Bestiality was even accepted in past history, as well as many other things such as adult males of age 50 marrying 11 year olds & having sex. That’s right, statutory rape is a relatively new law, don’t make any mistake about it.
 

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i'm not into bestiality myself, but i commend you for writing something so daring and getting it self published. i would say that if he has the genitals of a horse, than having sex with a human would be bestiality. if he can communicate telepathically with horses, it makes it even less bestial to have sex with a horse. remember, lolita was very controversial, although it is several degrees away from your idea. good luck!
 

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...I'm working on a novel in which the main character is part human, part horse. (No, not a centaur, that would be too cliche). He is a typical male human except for three equine-like features- hooves, a tail, and genitals (no, Not that big). So in other words, sexually he is a horse...
You said your character is mostly human except for a few features. Well I fail to see how just a phew physical things such has hooves can totally change a person’s sexual preference.
I wasn't going to say anything, but I agree with Captain Morgan on this point.

The character under discussion may have equine genitalia--but he has a human brain. And it's really what's between one's ears, rather than what's between one's legs, that rules sexual desire.

The brain is the primary sex organ. And if the character really is a "typical male human," with a human brain, he'll respond sexually to other human beings, not horses. Unless, of course, he's completely fuxx0red in the head. Which could make for an interesting story. If the "telepathy" with horses turned out to be psychotic delusions, that could be really interesting. I might actually read it, bestiality and all.

Now, maybe his brain is part equine--enough so that he would feel he was more horse than human. But if that were the case, his behavior and thought processes would much more horse-like. He wouldn't be a typical male human at all. There could be an interesting story in that, too.

I wish people wouldn't get so technical. I'm not writing a treatise on human-horse relationships, I'm writing a fantasy novel.
"I'm writing fantasy" does not give a writer license to toss logic out the window because it doesn't support his or her favorite plot device. A successful fantasy novel makes the outlandish and improbable seem plausible, even inevitable. The fantastic exists for a reason, and there are rules that govern it.

Of course we're going to "get technical." Fantasy writers are nerds. "Getting technical" is what we do.

In any event, "Because I think it's cool, that's why!" is not a good enough reason to include something in a fantasy novel. And when the entire story is crafted to serve as the setting for one favored element, rather than shaping that element so it better fits into the story, it makes for lousy fiction. Unless, of course you're writing for a specialized audience that shares the your obsession with that particular element, and doesn't care if it reduces the story itself to a mere backdrop. But at that point, it's gone beyond fantasy and straight into fetish.
 

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At least now I understand the "horse" comment in my "sex in sci-fi" post!
 

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So if I were to write a fantasy novel with, let's say, dragons and elves and fairies, and a flying horse named Pegasus, I would have to come up with a logical explanation for these creatures? If I came up with such an explanation, wouldn't that be science fiction? To me, fantasies are stories where I'm willing to suspend my beliefs.
In regards to my MC I think I did mention that his entire lower half is like that of a horse (yeah, I might have gone a little overboard on the description, but I view my MC as a bit vain, arrogant, egotistical; it's almost like he is proud of what he is). I was thinking that maybe he has a split brain (???) (yeah, I know, logic... logic...), one part human and one part equine, and these two parts are in conflict with each other, especially when the fillies and mares... you know. I don't know...
I guess I shouldn't be surprised there would be this many replies to that topic.
But still... The novel is not about bestiality; it is about a character who is remarkably different from anyone else.
 

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You said hooves, tail and genitals of a horse. I imagined a man's body with these things. I did not imagine eg a horse's hindquarters. I saw a man's legs with hooves instead of feet.
 
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I think Julian's point was not so much that you have to defend your choice of character traits but that they cannot deviate from the logic set forth in the novel itself.

For example, if I write about a character who is afraid of cats, and halfway through the book he plays with the neighbor's cat, I better have a good reason for it. Is that part of the story, where he decides he may not be afraid of cats after all? Or am I just throwing it in there because i feel like it?

Fantasies are indeed stories in which we suspend our disbelief, but only to the point where it doesn't become self- defeating. If your character has the genitalia of a horse, but the brain of a human, then he's going to be sexually attracted to humans, not horses, unless his big ol' horse [email protected] has a brain of its own, which might not be an uninteresting plot line in itself.

As to whether or not the novel is "about" bestiality, I think that may end up being a matter of opinion. If you have a human guy who bangs mares, there's not a lot else folks are gonna call it... unless we want to go with the polite euphamism "interspecies love." While I understand that the sex-with-horsies thing isn't the MAIN aspect of your story, you'll need to figure out the reasons behind it before you can effectively make it PART of your story.
 

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This thread reminds me of why I do not read fantasy.

Errrrrrk!

Hey, hey, hey, I wasn't planning to repsond to this thread untill I read this post.

Fantasy, for the most part, does not have bestiality.

Oh and...dude. I woulden't read your book, unless you hid the bestiality thing waaay in the back. Even then, I'd get there, then go "Wait, what!" go back, read it again, and unless the writing is really really good, throw it out the window.

Which would be a shame, because I'm sure the rest of the book would be just fine. Your MC sounds fun and interesting and original...but not horse enough to sleep with a horse. I've read a book about a centaur who is outcast from his society becuase he slept with a mundane mare. That I was fine with, becuase he's...half horse, maybe?

My two cents, actaully. Don't take it personally. Unless you do. If you do, then there's not much I can do about it.

Can I?
 

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I saw a porn the other day where a woman had relations with a horse, I was repulsed, but intrigued and with that said I would say go for it and enjoy it if other people don't like it they won't buy it those that do will....
 

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A woman having relations with a horse? Hmmm, a horse's thingie is pretty big, so I find that hard to believe. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but...

And I keep saying it's not bestiality. If he has a penis like a horse, and balls like a horse, and sperm like a horse, then sexually he's a horse. Unless you want to tell me he should bang the next-door neighbor's daughter.

And I keep saying sexuality is not the major focus of the novel.
 

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Coming into this late, but here goes.

My last sci/fi novel, Tigra involves a slowy evolving relationship between a woman soldier and a large, sentient feline creature known as a-- surprise-- tigra. I don't consider this beastiality any more than the numerous human/alien parings we see on Star Trek. Let's face it, it's a little preposterous to believe all aliens will be humanoid.
 

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A woman having relations with a horse? Hmmm, a horse's thingie is pretty big, so I find that hard to believe. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but...

And I keep saying it's not bestiality. If he has a penis like a horse, and balls like a horse, and sperm like a horse, then sexually he's a horse. Unless you want to tell me he should bang the next-door neighbor's daughter.

And I keep saying sexuality is not the major focus of the novel.

It may not be the main focus of your novel, but bestiality has such a high ick factor for most people that it will become the focus of your book for the reader. That's what most people are going to see over anything else your book might cover.

I agree with everyone else who says the brain is the main sexual organ. It doesn't matter if he does have horse genitals; if he has a human brain, he's going to be attracted to other humans.
 

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It may not be the main focus of your novel, but bestiality has such a high ick factor for most people that it will become the focus of your book for the reader. That's what most people are going to see over anything else your book might cover.

I agree with everyone else who says the brain is the main sexual organ. It doesn't matter if he does have horse genitals; if he has a human brain, he's going to be attracted to other humans.

But, if said semi-equine hero felt it odd to have relations with humans due to his...biological...make-up then I see some great conflict happening here, conflict that would make me want to read the book. Unfortunately, it seems that the OP is concerned only with throwing in some animal sex with no sense of artisitc merit.

With all due respect to my fellow writer--because I may be wrong--I honestly feel that the OP was just trying to Make People Pay Attention; ditto for the OP's book. In other words: shock.
 

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Well, if it was a way to get attention for the book, he definitely has been successful at it, just look at the way the posts have jumped here. As many believe, negative attention is better than no attention at all. Well, I'm not so sure I agree with this, but in a business sense often it does.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I assume Satanic Verses by S. Rushdie probably sold far more than it should have due to the public outcry against it. Sure the book was banned in many places, however I bet you the author made his biggest fortune from it (someone correct me with figures if I am wrong here).

I would not have even heard of the author had he not gained such wide coverage on the news when having to go underground to avoid the bounty on his head by Islam extremists.
 

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i am just speechless. i would say that unless this is "sex scene" is actually nescasry then sure but if not, i would say no.
 

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i am just speechless.
Rachel loves dragons, only not as much as we thought. ;)

This thread should be ported over to the Writing about Animals forum so that real experts can chime in. :)

Oh, and anyone who thinks a human female can't copulate with a male horse due to physical restrictions hasn't spent enough time on a farm, or online, for that matter.
 

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Rachel loves dragons, only not as much as we thought. ;)

This thread should be ported over to the Writing about Animals forum so that real experts can chime in. :)

Oh, and anyone who thinks a human female can't copulate with a male horse due to physical restrictions hasn't spent enough time on a farm, or online, for that matter.

Wow. . .

. . .just. . .

. . .wow. . .
 
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