A Literary Agent Says Agents Have the Tough Job, Not Writers.

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As far as MSWL goes, I have found it to be particularly useless. Agent posted looking for a Cinderella retelling with an Ever After vibe. I got very exciting because guess what? I have that! One of the antagonists is partially modeled after Angelica Huston's character even. Got a reject within 12 hours. I didn't go on a rant about it, just added it to the list and moved on with my life.
There's a guy out there who claims, whether right or not, that the MSWL and twitter wishlisting is an agent's way of finding editors who want manuscripts the agents already have. Like, if an editor likes a WishList tweet like that, the agent submits the package they're already holding.

This is not a guy who thinks highly of agents. The idea seems farfetched to me, on the other hand I've yet to see an agent request anything I felt my work was a good fit for based on MSWL. It is common for the query to be rejected in these circumstances, as far as I can tell. Maybe he's right?
 

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There's a guy out there who claims, whether right or not, that the MSWL and twitter wishlisting is an agent's way of finding editors who want manuscripts the agents already have. Like, if an editor likes a WishList tweet like that, the agent submits the package they're already holding.

This is not a guy who thinks highly of agents. The idea seems farfetched to me, on the other hand I've yet to see an agent request anything I felt my work was a good fit for based on MSWL. It is common for the query to be rejected in these circumstances, as far as I can tell. Maybe he's right?
I could see that from an editor, because they have MSWL too, but it seems a little passive aggressive for an agent to be asking for something (knowing that authors are looking at it) because they actually already have it and want an editor to ask for it.

I've used MSWL to know that I can pitch something to someone, and it's slightly faster than doing a vague, general search and then having to scour two other web sites to see if it might be a good fit for an agent. The Cinderella retelling was the only "omg, they want this!" moment, otherwise it's just elements.
 

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I did a little more digging, and I think this current author-agent Twitter conflict may have started when an agent tweeted that she kept getting submissions of books that involved grief and she didn’t want them and didn’t think the market wanted them either:


Okay, so the agent stated a personal preference and implied it was an overall market preference, as agents sometimes do. Personally, I hope she’s wrong. I read and hear about tons of popular books that involve grief; it is a universal human experience. But at the same time, I do think it’s her right to state her preference, and I don’t find that inherently offensive. Writers with grief books can now cross her off their lists, because she clearly doesn’t know how to (or want to) sell them.

The agent who wrote the recent thread was obviously wrong to feel personally attacked by this larger writer discourse and to conclude that writers don’t care about the market. But at the same time, I think writers need to avoid taking agents’ preferences and pronouncements so seriously.

An agent is just one person trying to guess what will sell. They have direct experience with editors, which is great, but they’re still influenced by their own subjective biases. My first agent told me not to write in present tense because I couldn’t “pull it off.” I looked at the market and saw present tense was the norm in my category. My second agent sold my present-tense book.

So if an agent says, “No grief books for me,” that doesn’t make your book bad or your lived experience of grief invalid. If your book is published, you can probably count on getting Goodreads reviews that say much worse things, and that still doesn’t make your book bad!

Sorry, hope this isn’t too far OT. I just think that social media have given agents a lot of power, and some agents have used that power to grandstand, and now we’re seeing the backlash, and maybe it would be less stressful to take everything agents say as coming from one person, not Publishing. It doesn’t change the fact that agents are the gateway to Publishing and they ghost most queriers, a situation that is inherently unequal and stressful for writers. But agents are not a monolith.
Holy crap. That's the THIRD agent from that same flipping agency. I don't think this is a coincidence.

She deleted the tweet, btw. Because she was getting pushback.
 

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Holy crap. That's the THIRD agent from that same flipping agency. I don't think this is a coincidence.

She deleted the tweet, btw. Because she was getting pushback.
From the same agency?! Whoa, I had no idea.

My agent doesn’t tweet much anymore, and I don’t think she’s ever tweeted negatively about queries she receives. This seems wise.
 

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There's a guy out there who claims, whether right or not, that the MSWL and twitter wishlisting is an agent's way of finding editors who want manuscripts the agents already have. Like, if an editor likes a WishList tweet like that, the agent submits the package they're already holding.

This is not a guy who thinks highly of agents. The idea seems farfetched to me, on the other hand I've yet to see an agent request anything I felt my work was a good fit for based on MSWL. It is common for the query to be rejected in these circumstances, as far as I can tell. Maybe he's right?
This sounds more believable why they use it. I knew it was a joke. MSWL is BS.
 

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There's a guy out there who claims, whether right or not, that the MSWL and twitter wishlisting is an agent's way of finding editors who want manuscripts the agents already have. Like, if an editor likes a WishList tweet like that, the agent submits the package they're already holding.
The MSWL site has editors’ wishlists, too, though. It’s transparent about being a resource for agents as well as querying writers. I guess they might get extra info from Twitter likes that editors haven’t chosen to post on the site. (Disclaimer: My agent cofounded MSWL but I have never really used it. I would take all the info there as a suggestion only, since people’s preferences change all the time.)

Here’s one editor’s entry as an example:
 

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I admit I don't really know what y'all means in this context. I assume it means the writers who get pissy and write back to the agent complaining about a rejection? I can see why that would be annoying for the agent. But plenty of writers take rejection, if not in stride, at least not as a personal attack.

Yeah, I think it's the word y'all I'm objecting to. But maybe she didn't mean it that way. It's not like I've never posted something that should've been worded better 🤣
Well, that is certainly possible, but what is equally possible is if Ms. Brooks doesn't know how to properly express what she means and doesn't know how to word what she does mean, perhaps she's not the best person to be an advocate for any writer who does.
 

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Well, that is certainly possible, but what is equally possible is if Ms. Brooks doesn't know how to properly express what she means and doesn't know how to word what she does mean, perhaps she's not the best person to be an advocate for any writer who does.
She's blaming long Covid. Personally, I'd be tempted to simply apologize and tweet less, but...

 

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She's blaming long Covid. Personally, I'd be tempted to simply apologize and tweet less, but...

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This is making me physically uncomfortable with second-hand embarrassment. Sometimes people need to just shut the computer down and leave for a holiday, rather than write long rants on Twitter.

I had some sympathy for the (poorly written) first one, but this one is... not great.
 
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This is making me uncomfortable with second-hand embarrassment. Sometimes people need to just shut the computer down and leave for a holiday, rather than write long rants on Twitter.

I agree. I have no patience with people who have never learned the art of not digging yourself deeper into the hole you created for yourself. To my mind doubling down in an argument you already lost is as rude as telling someone they're ugly to their face.

ETA: They should teach this stuff to kids in school. Basic principles like "If you feel you're the victim of a misunderstanding, don't keep arguing: just withdraw from the argument."
 
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My magical mystic powers tells me her boss doesn't like blow-back. I love how she back-pedals into 'I was just trying to help everyone query better' before blaming a poor word choice to avoid more scolding. Why not just admit you had a misguided moment of arrogance? Your audience isn't stupid.
 

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So she deleted it. And then posted this. Now, girl, go back to bed.


How bizarre. I replied to her "it was Long Covid" posting with what I hoped would be a helpful suggestion about withdrawing from the discussion and backing off from Twitter for a while. I recommended the Freedom app for that purpose. Maybe what I (or someone else) said embarrassed her. "Girl, go back to bed" is right.

Thinking it over, she most probably deleted the thread because of pushback about the Long Covid "causation." (An oddly formal noun, that.)
 
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