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One way or another, someone may be about to reap the whirlwind.
I don't think they care. This was never about sweet little babies, let alone the lives of women. They want to control and punish, to create an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty where the people most affected--patients and health care workers--are afraid to speak out or discuss the issue at all. Nothing dampens debate and discussion like the fear of being under scrutiny and targeted for capital murder charges!

Some voters may well be angry about this, but these politicians are counting on their short memories and the tendency to "vote one's pocketbook" in elections. Hope they are wrong.
 

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A Texas man is suing three women under the wrongful death statute, alleging that they assisted his ex-wife in terminating her pregnancy, the first such case brought since the state’s near-total ban on abortion last summer.

Marcus Silva is represented by Jonathan Mitchell, the former Texas solicitor general and architect of the state’s prohibition on abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy, and state Rep. Briscoe Cain, R-Deer Park. The lawsuit is filed in state court in Galveston County, where Silva lives.

Silva alleges that his now ex-wife learned she was pregnant in July 2022, the month after the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and conspired with two friends to illegally obtain abortion-inducing medication and terminate the pregnancy.
 

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The death penalty bit is bad, don't get me wrong. But the worst of this proposed law is that it redefines "person" to include a zygote, giving a fertilized egg the equal protection of a fully formed human.

Every miscarriage will be a grounds for suspicion. "Did she eat raw fish? Did she sip wine? Did she throw herself into the sea?"

F*ck these patriarchal twits.
 

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I read about this. Law working as intended: vengeful guys can screw over their ex wives AND their friends.

The death penalty bit is bad, don't get me wrong. But the worst of this proposed law is that it redefines "person" to include a zygote, giving a fertilized egg the equal protection of a fully formed human.

Every miscarriage will be a grounds for suspicion. "Did she eat raw fish? Did she sip wine? Did she throw herself into the sea?"

F*ck these patriarchal twits.
This is where they've been going all along with their claims of embryonic (including zygote) personhood. And if people honestly, seriously, truly believe any prenatal phase of human development is the mental, emotional, and moral equivalent of a postnatal human, then it's internally consistent. If it's murder to kill a zygote, then the penalty should be commiserate with that. Of course, it's pretty darned hard to tell whether or not an egg has actually been fertilized until after implantation of the blastocyst (and the individual not getting their menses as expected). However, in spite of many people agreeing with the statement "human life begins at conception," I suspect most of them don't really believe this in their heart of hearts, or at least truly internalize what it would mean for every lost ball of cells to be the equivalent of losing a human infant, (or a later pregnancy for that matter).

Most people have no idea what conception even is, how it occurs, or how long it takes for the "egg" to implant after. People hear the word "embryo," and they think of something that looks like a miniature baby, a stage that occurs well into fetal development (and imagine it as much bigger than it is). Even at six weeks, the pea-sized "baby" still has gill slits, a tail, and very tiny limb bud. That "heart" is a clump of pulsing cells.

Perhaps it's time for people to start reflecting on all the zygotes, morullae, blastocysts lost prior to implantation (and the medical definition of pregnancy), not to mention the very early pregnancies that are lost before the mother even knows they are pregnant. Some estimates run as high as 70% or more, but more realistic estmates are between 40-60%, with 20-30% at the lower end. Regardless, that's a lot of little souls that never get to be born for completely natural, non-preventable reasons.

I saw a memorial to aborted fetuses once outside a Catholic Church in Plattsburgh NY. Perhaps we should have a big monument to the senseless cellular human carnage that happens because God is evidently very wasteful with souls...
 
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Part of me wants to put God on trial. If a miscarriage is murder and up to a third of pregnancies abort naturally, God is the biggest mass murderer of all times.

I know it is a knee-jerk reaction but I am getting so sick about seeing religion choved where it has no place, no right, used to hurt and kill people, make people into things. It gets to the point I just want to hurt them back. Even though I know it won't work.
 

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Funny, innit, how every major religion has a form of “Love thy neighbor as thyself” (Leviticus 19:18) among its teachings, but the worst of its soi-disant adherents can’t resist using their religion to deny the humanity of others.

ETA: Could this be an inverted form of idolatry?
 
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Part of me wants to put God on trial. If a miscarriage is murder and up to a third of pregnancies abort naturally, God is the biggest mass murderer of all times.

I know it is a knee-jerk reaction but I am getting so sick about seeing religion choved where it has no place, no right, used to hurt and kill people, make people into things. It gets to the point I just want to hurt them back. Even though I know it won't work.
I don't think faith is the primary motive for a lot of folks. Oh, I don't mean activists and politicians don't manipulate some people of faith into hand wringing over the murder of sweet little babies. I have an aunt like that. She has many good qualities, but deep introspection and thinking things through to their logical conclusions aren't among them. She happily bore four kids and was sad she couldn't have more (my uncle put his foot down, since they never had much money and she had a condition that made pregnancies high risk), and she can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be thrilled to discover they were pregnant or be willing to risk themselves to carry it to term. She is also very religious in an evangelical Christian way--was a member of that Colorado Springs Church that had the "sex scandal" with their pastor, and to this day doesn't believe Haggard was/is "really" gay, just misled.

These are the ordinary folks who get sucked in by the rhetoric. They are often uncomfortable with and feel out of step with where the American mainstream has gone over the past few decades. What is validating and freeing for those of us (even cishet people) who always felt that gender norms were too constraining and arbitrary is disorienting and upsetting for people for whom those old-school gender norms "worked," I guess.

I don't know why it's so much harder for some folks to deal with social change or even just to agree to disagree without getting so angry and trying to destroy the people they don't "get." I don't "get" their brand of religion, but I don't support persecuting them or forbidding them from practicing it, so long as they are not actively harming others. I suspect this has something to do with economics and feeling out in the cold when it comes to the so-called American dream. Perhaps all the social/cultural rage is a form of redirected aggression, since they can't "bite" the people who are really screwing them over.

If we could somehow get someone on the Left who can push for the kind of economic reform that makes everyone feel empowered and hopeful about the future, maybe some of this anger over social change would simmer down? I don't know how we can do this when every proposed program to help upward mobility and get the wealthier folks to "pay it forward" more is dismissed as "the socialist nanny state that is going to help [insert undeserving group] at the expense of the hardworking." It's frustrating, because it seems like many of the programs that would help poorer people struggling in more urban areas could be helpful to poorer people in rural areas too.

So we're stuck with displaced rage over so-called social issues.
 

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I don't think faith is the primary motive for a lot of folks. Oh, I don't mean activists and politicians don't manipulate some people of faith into hand wringing over the murder of sweet little babies.
Oh I'd agree. But it hardly matters in the end.

Religion is a tool for power. One much more useful than logic and argument. And too many people crave that power and wish nothing more than to wield it against others and do so with abandon.
 

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Oh I'd agree. But it hardly matters in the end.

Religion is a tool for power. One much more useful than logic and argument. And too many people crave that power and wish nothing more than to wield it against others and do so with abandon.
Exactly this, and I think the real motivation of the DeSantises, Trumps, and others like them is power. And some of the followers too are attracted to promises to reestablish traditional power structures, especially if they imagine those will give them a personal advantage, or at least the "right" to be bullies.

I do find it interesting, though, how logic of a sort (if twisted) has become a tool online. With just the right amount of disinformation, one can get people to think their way to some pretty maladaptive conclusions. Appeal to an incomplete or over simplified truth that "everyone knows," like XX making embryos female and XY making them male, and you can get people to believe your arguments about everything from traditional gender roles to trans rights.
 
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And away we go...

While the antiabortion group challenging the drug acknowledged there is no precedent for a court to order the suspension of a long-approved medication, U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk seemed open to the argument that mifepristone had not been properly vetted — claims the Food and Drug Administration and leading health organizations strongly contest.

The Know-nothings vs. the Experts

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Sadly, the Know-Nothings always seem to outnumber or outshout the Experts.
Helps they have the judiciary on their side. Especially when they can judge-shop. 😡



ETA: I'm not sure how many reading this know the genesis of this particular case, so it would probably help to expand on that a little. The Plaintiffs in this case are a newly-formed company/organization, formed specifically to challenge medication abortion. They went looking for the perfect judge to hear their case, and then opened their org in that jurisdiction. They have no significant presence in the jurisdiction, just the minimum they need to set up the organization. It's truly an opportunistic attack.

And by the way, my State Attorney General is ready with a motion to injuct the injunction as soon as Kacsmaryk rules. The case is already filed in Spokane's E. Washington Federal District court, and all Ferguson will need to do is move for an expedited hearing. I'm not seeing anyone in the news talking about this, yet, but once the TX judge rules, I anticipate AG Bob will be sending out a press release.
 
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On Thursday, however, the North Dakota Supreme Court ruled that doctors and patients within its state lines would not face these awful choices: In a unanimous decision, the court declared that its state constitution protects abortion “where it is necessary to preserve her life or health,” blocking a ban that criminalized such procedures. It’s the first post-Roe decision of its kind, but it’s likely not the last. As more Americans suffer the near-lethal consequences of modern abortion bans, conservative state courts will have to decide whether the government can value the life of a fetus over that of a patient.

The North Dakota Legislature enacted the state’s current ban in 2007, intending it to take effect if and when the Supreme Court overruled Roe. But this summer, a state judge halted the law before it could spring into action, preserving the legality of abortion within the state (whose lone provider is in the process of moving to Minnesota). State officials pressed the state Supreme Court to lift the hold and had good reason to assume they’d prevail: The court is made up of five Republicans, four appointed by a GOP governor and one elected to his seat. (How conservative is the state’s judiciary? One justice was recused from the abortion case and replaced by another Republican appointee from a lower court.)

But state officials encountered a problem when defending the ban: It has no true exception in cases in which the patient’s life is endangered. Instead, it allows defendants to raise life endangerment as an affirmative defense once they are already being prosecuted. Unlike a genuine exception—which clarifies that a lifesaving abortion is not a crime at all—this approach puts the burden on defendants to prove to a jury that they acted to save a patient’s life. If they do not succeed, they face up to five years’ imprisonment. A similar law in Tennessee has forced doctors to wait until a patient is at risk of imminent death before terminating a pregnancy. Yet Tennessee’s GOP-controlled Legislature has resisted replacing its current “affirmative defense” provision with a true exception for the life of the patient, and Tennessee Right to Life staunchly opposes such a reform.

The North Dakota Supreme Court took a different path. In his majority opinion, Chief Justice Jon J. Jensen noted that the state constitution grants all residents the right “of enjoying and defending life and liberty” and “pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.” These guarantees “implicitly include the right to obtain an abortion to preserve the woman’s life or health,” Jensen wrote. When the state classifies emergency abortions as de facto criminal unless proven otherwise, it deprives patients of “a right to enjoy and defend life and a right to pursue and obtain safety.” The chief justice backed up this conclusion by pointing out that North Dakota expressly permitted abortions to protect life or health in 1887, before it became a state, and preserved this exception in a series of statutes passed after its admission to the union in 1889. The right is thus “deeply rooted in North Dakota’s history and culture,” a key component of “ordered liberty before, during, and at the time of statehood.”
 

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Sadly, the Know-Nothings always seem to outnumber or outshout the Experts.
The arrogantly confident know nothings are the issue. Ignorance in of itself isn't a sin if one knows that one can't be an expert in everything and knows how to consult 9and defer to) folks who know more than they do when needed.

It's also interesting how these idiots are soooo concerned about health and safety for everything reproductive healthcare related EXCEPT actual complications and risks of pregnancy. We don't know how safe these drugs are, blah, blah, blah. Actually, yes we do, and they are a lot safer statistically than many other common medicines that aren't being challenged, not to mention much safer than carrying a pregnancy to term.

The reason conservatives have written the laws the way they have--with vague or nonexistent ability for doctors to proactively provide abortion to protect a patient's future health--is not a coincidence. Some of them probably do know that all pregnancies and deliveries are potentially life threatening--more so than abortion. If the laws allow for proactive right to protective abortions, a legal case can be made that anyone can elect to end a pregnancy, since it carries some elevated risk of death over termination (this is my position). There isn't exactly a line one can draw when risks exist on a continuum. Especially in a country with maternal death rates that are, on average, already more than ten times higher than in comparably wealthy countries (and even worse for Black and Native American mothers).

We know what they're really about--erasing bodily autonomy. However, it's disgusting that so many judges (among the most educated and privileged groups) these days seem to be ideologues, rather than people who are concerned about upholding the law OR protecting people's rights and well being.
 
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Yes, and they are soooo concerned about health and safety for everything reproductive healthcare related EXCEPT actual complications and risks of pregnancy.

The reason conservatives have written the laws the way they have--with vague or nonexistent ability for doctors to proactively provide abortion to protect a patient's future health--is not a coincidence. Some of them probably do know that all pregnancies are potentially life threatening--more so than carrying a pregnancy to term and delivering. If the laws allow for proactive right to protective abortions, a legal case can be made that anyone can elect to end a pregnancy, since it carries some elevated risk of death over termination. There isn't exactly a line one can draw when risks exist on a continuum.
Those same conservatives have a deep and abiding belief that death in childbearing is God's Will. And also that pain and suffering during childbearing is recompense for Eve's original sin. So basically, they don't have to worry about a continuum or health or anomaly. They can be as vague and prohibitive as they want because it's all in God's hands.
 

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Idaho is moving swiftly to catch up and surpass their fellow Reactionary-run states in the Forced Birth and Maternal Mortality sweepstakes. No more hospital obstetrical services for pregnant people in the Idaho panhandle.


The closest hospital for obstetric care will be a 300-bed (total) community hospital in Coeur d'Alene, a one hour drive south. Spokane, WA will surely see the spillover, as well, a 90-minute drive from Sandpoint.

I hope the town is boosting its fleet of ambulances.
 

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Those same conservatives have a deep and abiding belief that death in childbearing is God's Will. And also that pain and suffering during childbearing is recompense for Eve's original sin. So basically, they don't have to worry about a continuum or health or anomaly. They can be as vague and prohibitive as they want because it's all in God's hands.
Just as a reminder, Jesus died for our sins and if you take Jesus into your heart you are forgiven of that original sin. So are the Jesus following women forgiven? Accept Jesus into your heart and your midwife or doctor can administer anesthesia.

Just wondering. :rolleyes:
 

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Those same conservatives have a deep and abiding belief that death in childbearing is God's Will. And also that pain and suffering during childbearing is recompense for Eve's original sin. So basically, they don't have to worry about a continuum or health or anomaly. They can be as vague and prohibitive as they want because it's all in God's hands.
Some of the folks out in the world, voting, probably. But those "anti elite" Ivy League elites in the state and Federal legislatures and senates, the presidential candidates and governors who have been pushing this rhetoric for years? I doubt most of them believe in anything other than saying whatever they think will advance their own power and perpetuate a system that has been pretty damned good to them personally.

Ah. Wyoming straight up outlaws abortion pills. This is just great.
They really need to stop calling themselves the Equality State. Now. They've fallen far since becoming the first state to adopt women's suffrage. I can think of some new monikers that might be more apt, but writing them here will probably get me in trouble and be unfair to anyone who lives there who isn't on board with it's current, ah, political trajectory.
 
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I'm sure y'all are following, or at least interested in, the critical court case being held in Amarillo, Texas, where Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk has been cherry-picked by groups opposed to reproductive medical care as their best chance for forcing abortion-inducing medication, proven to be safer than Tylenol, off the market.

Obviously this decision will have national consequences. I believe VP Kamala Harris spoke recently in Iowa about how these anti-medicine activists are striking right at the heart of the doctor-patient relationship, the moral code of physicians to provide lifesaving care. And as we know, women and girls (as young as 10, 12, 13) are already suffering threats to their lives—not only their physical lives, but their whole futures as human beings.

Something that really creeps me out, as a physician, is that the groups opposed to reproductive care have allied under the rubric of an entity called the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine. Their website, if you can bear to look at it, leads off with a thoroughly outdated version of the Hippocratic Oath, the one where one is supposed to swear not to perform an abortion. That is not the version of the Hippocratic Oath I took in 1982, and is not the version that most doctors alive today have taken. (Not all med schools include the oath in their graduation ceremony, but mine did.)

Also on the first page of this fiercely anti-medicine group's website is their list of "values." It's in the form of ten bullet points. Far down in the list are respectable values like not causing intentional harm and not having any sexual involvement with a patient. But look at what they choose to list first, their top two "values":
  • Sanctity of life which is defined as beginning at fertilization and ending in natural death.
  • Sanctity of the body asserting no difference between biological sex and gender except in the case of rare, diagnosable disorders of sexual development
I shudder at the consequences of these anti-medicine "values" as they continue to be pushed through legislatures and courts in many states. A fertilized egg is defined as life? WTF? No option at the end of life for death with dignity? No difference between biological sex as assigned at birth and gender?!

These are not the values of doctors nationwide! I know that fact intimately because I'm a volunteer shrink on a crisis hotline for American medical students and physicians. I hear their horror stories as these anti-medicine laws go into effect. I get frantic callers from Florida, Tennessee, Texas, you name it. They are miserable, they feel morally compromised, they are afraid of legal consequences, and the US healthcare system is broken... =arrrgh=
 
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But those "anti elite" Ivy League elites in the state and Federal legislatures and senates, the presidential candidates and governors who have been pushing this rhetoric for years? I doubt most of them believe in anything other than saying whatever they think will advance their own power and perpetuate a system that has been pretty damned good to them personally.

This is a derail, but I gotta say:

I have a personal reason why this phenomenon (from the Stephen Marche article you cite) is infuriating to me.
America’s less-educated and less-productive citizens drive anti-government patriotism, both in its armed and elected wings, but they mostly, despite themselves, pick their representatives from the ranks of the Ivy League and other similarly elite institutions around the country. Even in their rage against elites, the anti-elitists fall back on the deep structure of American power.​
I'm a (formerly?) proud alum of an Ivy League university. Back in the (halcyon?) 1970s I got enough financial aid that my middle-class parents were able to pay my way there.

I've never been an "elite" in the financial sense: these days I'm in so much debt due to natural disasters, I'm barely getting by. So being classified, and often vilified, as an "elite" all my life just because of my fancy degrees has been... well... most unpleasant.

And the motto of my university, the moral code I learned there, is about service to others and service to one's country. It's humiliating when my fellow alums turn out to be such awful people, in full public view. At least one of them is being prosecuted for participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection. Another is a famously evil senator. Thanks to them, when the name of my university gets mentioned in the press, it gets shat on.

Thanks a lot, guys!
 
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This is a derail, but I gotta say:

I have a personal reason why this phenomenon (from the Stephen Marche article you cite) is infuriating to me.
America’s less-educated and less-productive citizens drive anti-government patriotism, both in its armed and elected wings, but they mostly, despite themselves, pick their representatives from the ranks of the Ivy League and other similarly elite institutions around the country. Even in their rage against elites, the anti-elitists fall back on the deep structure of American power.​
I'm a (formerly?) proud alum of an Ivy League university. Back in the (halcyon?) 1970s I got enough financial aid that my middle-class parents were able to pay my way there.

I've never been an "elite" in the financial sense: these days I'm in so much debt due to natural disasters, I'm barely getting by. So being classified, and often vilified, as an "elite" all my life just because of my fancy degrees has been... well... most unpleasant.

And the motto of my university, the moral code I learned there, is about service to others and service to one's country. It's humiliating when my fellow alums turn out to be such awful people, in full public view. At least one of them is being prosecuted for participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection. Another is a famously evil senator. Thanks to them, when the name of my university gets mentioned in the press, it gets shat on.

Thanks a lot, guys!
I am sorry to have cast any aspirations on your alma mater and also terribly sad to see any academic institution derided or subverted!

While I am a proud product of public education (since first grade through grad school and in all my jobs) and sometimes resent the implication that Ivy league schools are the only place one can get a good education, worthy of a career in government etc., I would never say that Ivy Leagues (and other elite public institutions) aren't good schools and have not produced countless amazing thinkers and humanitarians.

My stab is at the hypocrisy of a movement that sneers at the so-called Ivy League elites when many of its most prominent leaders are themselves products of these schools. These folks--the Josh Hawleys, Ted Cruzs, Rick DeSantises, Trump and others--think they are controlling the mob they've been agitating (and that other well-educated elites in their own party has been stirring up since at least the Reagan era). It's more like they're riding a rabid bear, and if they fall off they're the first who will be mauled. But I think this makes them double down even more. Once you invest in this world view, it's hard to go back.

I find it especially disgusting that people who are clearly smart enough to know better are turning on the institutions that educated them (and even more on the public institutions that have given others a chance at a good education), seeking to deny a new generation the opportunities that have benefited them, and are seeking power at any cost.

Ending access to abortion is one, very prominent, way they are doing this. But there are other scary developments, all worthy of their own threads.