I’m glad there’s still hope left for a few editors! And the one from the press that longlisted your ms. sounds like a strong prospect. I know it’s difficult to keep hoping at this point, but I will do some hoping on your behalf. I honestly think dark literary is the hardest fiction to sell, and dark is particularly hard right now, so the praise you’ve received means a lot.I'm still hoping maybe one of the last remaining editors is thinking about it. One of them is a big indie press that takes agented submissions year-round and unagented through an annual contest, and the first draft of this MS was long listed for their fiction prize in 2020, and the current draft is about 50% longer and a lot better, so until I hear from my editor that they've sent an R, I'm holding out a little hope they might offer. But for all I know they've already sent an R, since my agent doesn't forward them individually to me. I know I can ask her to, but her general practice is not to and I think it would depress me. She sent me all the substantive ones in a single batch at the end of round 1. I've tried to console myself with the knowledge that editors at Doubleday, Penguin, etc. said they liked the book, but that only works sometimes. When it comes down to it, I'm pretty sure we'd all rather get a tepid offer than a slew of effusive rejections.
It turns out that Two Dollar Radio takes agented subs and my agent had already submitted to them and they're reading! My agent finally sent me the sub list after I wrote her asking if they take agented subs and, if so, if she can send it to them. Since this was about the 5th time I've asked her something like that, she sent me her sub list and the list of who has already rejected. It looks like I'm still out with 15 editors, mostly of large indie presses, after she told me a couple of weeks ago there were only 9 left. I think she must have kept submitting after that. I think early on she only wanted to go with Big 5 imprints or the very biggest of the Indies, but when there were no bites I think she's branched out more. She still won't do tiny presses for me or presses that are currently open to unagented subs, but it looks like she's now hoping for a largish indie to pick it up and so is sending to more of them, since almost all of the Big 5 imprints have passed (I think there may be one or two who haven't responded).I’m glad there’s still hope left for a few editors! And the one from the press that longlisted your ms. sounds like a strong prospect. I know it’s difficult to keep hoping at this point, but I will do some hoping on your behalf. I honestly think dark literary is the hardest fiction to sell, and dark is particularly hard right now, so the praise you’ve received means a lot.
That’s too bad about Two Dollar Radio! Hope they open to subs again soon.
Yay for getting your sub list! I think that’s a really important thing to have, both for your own information and for contingencies. And yay for still being out with 15 editors! Your agent clearly has a ton of faith in the ms., and that’s vital. (Some agents call it quits after 10 subs to big imprints, ask me how I know… I’m not talking about my current agent!)It turns out that Two Dollar Radio takes agented subs and my agent had already submitted to them and they're reading! My agent finally sent me the sub list after I wrote her asking if they take agented subs and, if so, if she can send it to them. Since this was about the 5th time I've asked her something like that, she sent me her sub list and the list of who has already rejected. It looks like I'm still out with 15 editors, mostly of large indie presses, after she told me a couple of weeks ago there were only 9 left. I think she must have kept submitting after that. I think early on she only wanted to go with Big 5 imprints or the very biggest of the Indies, but when there were no bites I think she's branched out more. She still won't do tiny presses for me or presses that are currently open to unagented subs, but it looks like she's now hoping for a largish indie to pick it up and so is sending to more of them, since almost all of the Big 5 imprints have passed (I think there may be one or two who haven't responded).
So I guess I should buckle down for a very long wait, as some of the Indies take a very very long time to respond and she said some just never respond if they don't want something. Two Dollar Radio's website says that when they're open for direct submissions their response time is a year. I have no idea if they respond more quickly to agented subs? At any rate, smaller pubs with fewer readers apparently equals longer response times and not only for that press but for all of the Indies. Which is ok with me, as long as I know where we stand. I thought we were down to a lot fewer than that and was thinking through my next steps. I guess I should just leave it all be for now and see what happens.
My agent also noted that she's gotten "a small amount of interest from" the press that previously long listed the first draft of my MS for their fiction prize, and that they've asked for more time to read. I don't know what "a small amount of interest" means? I suppose I should be able to ask my agent that, but I have the feeling I've been asking her too many questions lately and don't want to ask since it makes no difference to her or my actions and I think I've sent her at least one question about indie presses per week for the last 3-4 weeks. She responds within a day, almost always, but I get the sense it's becoming a bit much. So does anyone have an idea of what "a small amount of interest" expressed by an editor to an agent means? Does it usually just mean an editor saying they're reading and like the book so far? Because that I got a lot of that during the first round without an offer-- a bunch of the Big 5 imprints asked for more time and said they were "really enjoying the MS" or "loving the writing" or whatever but then ultimately rejected it. So I assume that's the kind of thing she means now when she says she got a "small amount of interest." But I don't actually know.
This business is a bit maddening. If you haven't noticed.
I'd like to offer some virtual hard lemonade to anyone currently waiting. In fact, have a 6 pack. And your own packet of glitter.
Put that way, Fuchsia, that does make sense - I don't think I'd thought it through properly. I could also see the publisher sitting on this a while, and waiting for more intel about sales, etc - though this is the kind of thing I'm sure my agent would give them a deadline on, and the intel I have so far suggests that the publisher won't do this. Thanks for being kind about my new release! The buzz is dying down a little after sub month, but hopefully it will keep up in some capacity - the book was on a Kindle Daily Deal over Easter and I think sold OK on that, so over the next few months some of those readers may pick it up and read and post about it.I do think publishers are likely to offer less on an exclusive option sub than they would when they fear that other publishers are waiting to snap up the book. Also, when you’ve published with them before, they know your “sales track,” and that will be a factor. Agents can still negotiate on exclusive offers, though, and walk away and do a wide sub if they don’t get what they want. The previous book’s contract spells out parameters for all of that.
Raggy, did your agent give you any sense of when you'll find out? In some ways, this sounds harder to wait for than being on regular sub, because there's a specific answer you know is coming at some point from one specific place, and you're holding off on all other options while you wait. Do you feel anxious about it, or just good that you have this option, and knowing you can do a regular sub if needed?I'm sure my agent would give them a deadline on, and the intel I have so far suggests that the publisher won't do this.
Raggy, did your agent give you any sense of when you'll find out? In some ways, this sounds harder to wait for than being on regular sub, because there's a specific answer you know is coming at some point from one specific place, and you're holding off on all other options while you wait. Do you feel anxious about it, or just good that you have this option, and knowing you can do a regular sub if needed?
If the MS is complete, did your agent give it to them, or only the synopsis for some reason?I only sent my synopsis to my agent a week ago,
My agent thinks we may be able to sell it on synopsis only - she said the publishers trust in my abilities (which is nice) so are really looking for the hook. While it's true that the manuscript is complete, I'm also messing around with the opening chapters a bit - they're the only thing that isn't quite right. ,Until I'm done with them, we can't send a sample, or the full.If the MS is complete, did your agent give it to them, or only the synopsis for some reason?
Well, then it seems like this isn't even taking the place of regular sub, but kind of a bonus round before you even finish the MS!My agent thinks we may be able to sell it on synopsis only - she said the publishers trust in my abilities (which is nice) so are really looking for the hook. While it's true that the manuscript is complete, I'm also messing around with the opening chapters a bit - they're the only thing that isn't quite right. ,Until I'm done with them, we can't send a sample, or the full.
My brain is now focused elsewhere too, since I realized it's likely going to be a long wait. I think that's a healthy response, unless it's focused elsewhere because of crises.My brain has been focused elsewhere
My situation is very similar. Except that I've decided that if my book doesn't sell, I'm going to sub it myself to very small indie publishers and possibly hybrid publishers. I'm 50 years old and not hellbent on big publishers enough to trunk the book and try the next one. I'd like to see this one published in some form, however it needs to happen.Unlike many in this group, I requested that my agent give me less information about passes. Weekly updates were messing with my mental health. I now check in about once a month to learn how many editors are still an option. At last check in (a few weeks ago) about half the original editors were left. It's not a huge number. I plan to ask for selected useful feedback once the round is dead. So far there's no consistent feedback, according to my agent. No reports of second reads, acquisitions, or anything like that. Either it's not happening, they haven't told my agent about such doings, or she hasn't told me, but I suspect it's the first. (I kind of don't want to know if there's promise unless the promise is fulfilled).
I've decided emotionally that the book is done and won't be published in current form. I'm working hard on the "sequel." Since it's romance, the sequel is an independent plot about other characters in the same world and can be shopped and read as a stand-alone--but I'm hoping I can piggy-back a revised version of the first book as a part of a deal if I manage to sell this new WIP. I have a rich fantasy life, if you can't tell.
Some days I feel determined, positive, and like I'm earning my stripes. Other days I feel desperate, hopeless, and like I'm a demented fool to imagine this will ever work out. So...a writer?
I think quite a few people have been starting their own separate threads to talk about their rejection woes.It's very quiet in here! No news from anyone?
The past years' thread that I read was so active! Once I got to the end and joined the forum, it seems to have largely gone away. Maybe from being down for 6 months last year... sad, because there doesn't seem to be any other forum specifically for writers on sub...
Where? Somewhere else on AW or another forum?I think quite a few people have been starting their own separate threads to talk about their rejection woes.