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D.R.Agony
04-01-2008, 12:48 PM
Okay so I was reading stuff here (it's so coool! but theres so much of it how do you all read all of it???) and somebody said your characters have to change in the book.

Why do characters have to change? My Dragons are just what they should be right from the start, plus their old and old folks dont change!! do they have to change anyway???

Jo
04-01-2008, 12:53 PM
Dragons should change their scales once in a while. Like we change our socks, or shoes or undies. If things didn't change, it would smell bad. i.e. the book would stink.

Marian Perera
04-01-2008, 12:57 PM
Dragons should change their scales once in a while. Like we change our socks, or shoes or undies. If things didn't change, it would smell bad. i.e. the book would stink.

Well, he did say the dragons were old. Maybe they all live in a dragons' retirement home and aren't able to change themselves and need attendants to help change them?

Jo
04-01-2008, 01:01 PM
As long as the change doesn't look like a deus-ex-machina.

D.R.Agony
04-01-2008, 01:01 PM
lolol no there old but powerful you know? They breath fire and kill people or keep them as pets lol

But maybe they get to change there diet, after all, if they eat evryone in one village they have to find other food!!!

dpaterso
04-01-2008, 01:03 PM
Have you ever seen the size of a dragon's poop? That's why dragon hunting is an honored profession, so the scaly old farts don't make it to the retirement home (aka "Dragon Heaven").

-Derek

JJ Cooper
04-01-2008, 01:05 PM
My mother-in-law is a dragon.

JJ

Jo
04-01-2008, 01:07 PM
Mine, too. And my mum.

D.R.Agony
04-01-2008, 01:07 PM
Dpat its mean to talk about JJs motherinlaws poop.

JJ Cooper
04-01-2008, 01:16 PM
At least it won't stink. Not according to her anyway.

JJ

Jo
04-01-2008, 01:18 PM
I was talking about the Year of the Dragon. Weren't you?

dpaterso
04-01-2008, 01:19 PM
I heard JJ has to stand by with a shovel if he wants to be included in Old Grunter's will.

-Derek

JJ Cooper
04-01-2008, 01:21 PM
I was talking about the Year of the Dragon. Weren't you?

Umm...yeah. Right, I was too. I always thought she was a rat. Apparently not.

JJ

JJ Cooper
04-01-2008, 01:22 PM
I heard JJ has to stand by with a shovel if he wants to be included in Old Grunter's will.

-Derek

Anything for money. Know what I mean.

JJ

D.R.Agony
04-01-2008, 01:24 PM
I dont see how that has anything to do with writing!
This is a WRITING post, can we stick to the topic????

bluntforcetrauma
04-01-2008, 01:26 PM
So yer a mod now, Junior! Congrats you little sh&&!

JJ Cooper
04-01-2008, 01:29 PM
I dont see how that has anything to do with writing!
This is a WRITING post, can we stick to the topic????

We all write for money here. Those who tell you otherwise are kidding themselves. There's a tip for you to put in the glory box, junior.

JJ

Mr Flibble
04-01-2008, 01:36 PM
We all write for money here. Those who tell you otherwise are kidding themselves.

I write for squirty cream and glace cherries. But whatever floats your boat

*mutters* kinky JJ

Mumut
04-01-2008, 01:48 PM
Why do characters have to change?

Usually it is expected that the events happening in the story will change the main character. A young girl falling through a time warp and having to fight her way out against dreadful odds must change her character. In my book, from being somewhat quiet and easily bullied by her twin brother - oh brother! did she change.

The bad wolf changed in Little Red Riding Hood - he lost his head. We should see a change in LRRH. She should realise she shouldn't wander through the woods alone.

At the end of Goldilocks it should be shown she realises she was guilty of break and enter, theft and willful destruction of property.

But, yes. It is usually thought the action in a book will show in the character development of the MC.

D.R.Agony
04-01-2008, 02:04 PM
But Dragons are so old theyve done everything already :Huh:

JJ Cooper
04-01-2008, 02:11 PM
What about a dragon who is a private investigator or a showgirl?

JJ

D.R.Agony
04-01-2008, 02:13 PM
If its a black Dragon it can be Noir lolol

JJ Cooper
04-01-2008, 02:17 PM
Or a ninja dragon.

*All ideas expressed in this post are hereby copyrighted and can never be re-produced by anyone other than JJ Cooper and Dan Brown. Dated 01 April 2008*

JJ

Jo
04-01-2008, 02:31 PM
I haven't seen a Hello Kitty dragon yet.

Phaeal
04-01-2008, 03:58 PM
Character change is one of the best ways to construct a dynamic story, but it's not the only way.

Another way to drive a character to act is to threaten the character's self-definition. Sometimes the character's self-definition extends to a world-definition. For example, a dragon's self-definition could be I am powerful and I eat people. Viewing his world through the lense of this self-definition, he might say Power makes right. Therefore, dragons rule the world and have a right to eat people.

If all you do is describe dragons going around flexing their muscles and eating people, you have no story. But throw in a force opposing the dragons and threatening their supremacy. Now the dragons must either defeat the opposing force, preserving their self-definition, or, failing that, they must adapt to the new circumstances. If they do adapt, they will change their self-definitions, which is, voila, character change. Change does tend to sneak in there. ;)

If they don't adapt and don't change their self-definition, they eventually destroy themselves, perhaps physically, certainly spiritually.

Failure to change in the face of circumstances is the hallmark of tragedy, high and low.

Mklangelo
04-01-2008, 04:50 PM
I dont see how that has anything to do with writing!
This is a WRITING post, can we stick to the topic????

It's transformation. The events the character goes through ie; struggle and once through it will change the person in some way.

Do a Google search on "Character Arc" and do one here too. It explains it.

Don't feel too bad. I misspelled "amateur" once and a couple of wags swooped in and hijacked my thread. It happens.

Andrew Jameson
04-01-2008, 04:58 PM
A youngling dragon I've never met;
Perhaps the oldsters never let
Raw youths into the world to get
Into the light or dark or wet--
Little wyrms are kept inside, I bet,

For safeguard, lest any baronet
Or earl or duke or other threat;
Oppress the slight young dragonet,
Literarily land it in a net:
Scammed by scammers, haunch-deep in debt.

Calla Lily
04-01-2008, 05:07 PM
What about a dragon who is a private investigator or a showgirl?

JJ

Karina Fabian's done that (the former, not the latter.)

Sage
04-01-2008, 08:52 PM
But Dragons are so old theyve done everything already :Huh:
So, does this mean you don't have any conflict planned for them?

Cranky
04-01-2008, 08:55 PM
So, does this mean you don't have any conflict planned for them?

No. Cuz that'd be sad and stuff.

Sage
04-01-2008, 09:39 PM
I do like D.R.Agony's name. :D

D.R.Agony
04-02-2008, 04:39 AM
No Sage they have lots of conflict :) :)
They fight people and they kill lots of them :)

Dale Emery
04-02-2008, 05:26 AM
Umm...yeah. Right, I was too. I always thought she was a rat. Apparently not.

I don't think rats have 2 change in books. Dragons do tho. It's a rule.

Sage
04-02-2008, 05:31 AM
No Sage they have lots of conflict :) :)
They fight people and they kill lots of them :)
Are the people a threat?

D.R.Agony
04-02-2008, 05:35 AM
The Dragons are a threat lol

Jenifer
04-02-2008, 05:41 AM
Well, he did say the dragons were old. Maybe they all live in a dragons' retirement home and aren't able to change themselves and need attendants to help change them?


My mother-in-law is a dragon.

JJ

Given a choice of whose butt I'd rather wipe... dragons hands down, even with the singe-y smell you go home with at the end of the day.

Sage
04-02-2008, 06:07 AM
The Dragons are a threat lol
So they have no conflict.

D.R.Agony
04-02-2008, 06:09 AM
hy hv cnflc hy r lwys fghng

D.R.Agony
04-02-2008, 06:11 AM
rrrrrrrrrgh s s hrd spk prprly whn yr vwls nd sch hv bn sln :(:(:(:(

dpaterso
04-03-2008, 11:03 AM
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u62/dpat57/fooled.jpg

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