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embrown77
04-18-2003, 09:02 AM
Anyone have experience with Janet Kay and Associates out of Texas? I have heard very mixed things. They offered me a contract, but I am leary.8o

Victoria
04-18-2003, 10:12 PM
Writer Beware has received many complaints and reports about Janet Kay & Associates. It charges fees ($10 per publisher contact, or $300 for unlimited contacts); what you get for the money is a list of publishers to contact and a generic cover letter (often mis-addressed or addressed to "Dear Editor"--a serious no-no), and you're then supposed to send your own cover letter and materials (thus bearing all the expense of submission; what's the $300 for?). Documentation I've gathered indicates that the publishers targeted are often completely inappropriate for the works in question.

As far as I know, this agency has never sold a book to a commercial publisher, either under its current name or its former one--Helping Hand Literary Services. I've been told by editors that they ignore this agency's submissions because they're so often unprofessional or inappropriate; I spoke with an editor recently who called Ms. Kay and asked her to stop sending him material.

At one point there was a police investigation into this agency. I don't know if it's still ongoing or not.

- Victoria
Writer Beware
www.sfwa.org/beware (http://www.sfwa.org/beware)

WritersWeekly
04-22-2003, 12:47 AM
WritersWeekly.com -
www.writersweekly.com/war...etkay.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/warnings/janetkay.html)
- has receive more complaints than we can publish about this firm. Steer far clear of them!

Yes, the investigation is still ongoing. Click here for more:
www.writersweekly.com/war...etkay.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/warnings/janetkay.html)

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Victoria
04-23-2003, 06:17 AM
Re: the police investigation of Janet Kay & Associates...neither I nor the people who've recently gotten in touch with Writer Beware have received any response to our attempts to contact the detective who's in charge. It's very difficult to construct cases against questionable literary agencies, and law enforcement often bogs down in that. I suspect the investigation has stalled, although I'm still encouraging people to file complaints with the San Angelo police.

- Victoria
Writer Beware
www.sfwa.org/beware/ (http://www.sfwa.org/beware/)

WritersWeekly
07-07-2003, 11:31 PM
The investigation is still active. Detective Elkins recently sent us a new email address. He's been very responsive to WritersWeekly readers. See:
www.writersweekly.com/war...etkay.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/warnings/janetkay.html)

justtono
08-06-2003, 08:37 PM
I have given her one last chance to redeem herself. She still refuses to return my calls or at least email me.

ivanjanet
08-11-2003, 07:22 PM
I signed a contract with Janet Kay & Associates on 1/21/03 after her glowing, flattering response to my submission of my novel. (Some of her comments were word for word what I see on the internet she had written to other writers.) I sent $300.00 which was supposed to pay for her to contact at least 36 publishers, up to unlimited number of publishers. I submitted a book of stamps and self addressed mailing labels as she said she would keep me apprised of her marketing progress. I never received any communication from her, although now, after the fact, she claims to have tried to write to me. I get all my other mail, including the letter she wrote on 7/25/03 where she claims to have written to me, so what happened to her other supposed mailings, I have no clue.
I wrote to her four times during the six months duration of the contract, included a SASE, and never received any reply to any of those requests for progress reports.
The contract was up 7/21/03, and I wrote to her advising her that the contract was now expired and demanded my $300.00 be refunded for lack of services promised. I called on 7/25/03, talked to Janet Kay, and she was supposed to look into my claim as she said she did not "handle that part of the business." No word since then, except the letter written on 7/25/03 requesting I send $15.00 per query letter for them to write a query letter to publishers for me. Very strange way to conduct a service-oriented business. I am currently filing a complaint with the Attorney General of Texas.
Janet Hendershot
ivanjanet@svic.net

dollymadison
08-12-2003, 04:58 AM
We also have a contract with Janet Kay as our agent and have signed a publishing contract with JanGeo Ink. As of this posting they are in violation of their publishing contract. Janet Kay has no answers when you actually get her on the phone. No response at all, she knows nothing about what is going on with our novel. (Fine Way for our rep to be). Her standard response is I will have to talk to George, Or I don't know, George is out of town. My advise to anyone thinking of dealing with the agency, RUN as far and as fast as you can!!

Victoria
08-12-2003, 10:15 PM
Dollymadison, JanGeo Ink is owned by Janet Kay and her husband, George Titsworth. I'm wondering if they disclosed this to you when offering you the contract? I'd be curious to know how you received the contract offer--get in touch with me privately if you'd prefer: beware@sfwa.org.

- Victoria
Writer Beware
www.sfwa.org/beware/ (http://www.sfwa.org/beware/)

puppy
08-26-2003, 10:48 PM
I received word on May 23, that Janet Kay's "Board" had elected to represent me as a client. I received a glowing review from Ms. Titsworth (Janet) and she said she would be putting the paperwork and contract in the mail. NEVER GOT 'EM. Began e-mailing the detective who also was non-responsive. Finally started calling and demanding my manuscript be returned in the SASE I enclosed with it. Finally heard from the detective that "Janet Kay must have Caller ID because I've tried to call her with no answer." I re-e-mailed and asked why he didn't just go to her office if he wanted to talk to her. Never heard back. Her web page changes almost daily; she is "going to Los Angeles" for a few days to talk to publishers and is taking some manuscripts with her." Yeah! Right. Make sure your manuscript is copyrighted before you send it anywhere. DISGUSTED!

capitalistwriter
08-26-2003, 11:10 PM
Your manuscript is "copyrighted" the moment you put it down on paper (or even into your computer). You don't have to do anything else. Write it and you own the copyrights.

If you haven't given or sold those rights to anyone else, then you still own them... All of them. You don't lose your copyrights by sending a manuscript to anyone.

Now, if you want to file a lawsuit alleging copyright violation then you have to register your copyright. Owning the copyrights and registering them, however, are two very different things.

jimmysdevoted
08-27-2003, 01:42 AM
I was fortunate enough to have some interesting experiences with her.
We spoke for about an hour on the phone,a nd I sent her two copies of my PDF book. It was supposed ot be taken to a publisher that I already had talked with but I needed a n agent to make things right( geeze people why does any one need an agent anyway.) I receievd my cintract from her and kept calling her to finalize agreements. To my surprise form teh FTC I receievd a letter of investaigation into her and they needed my feedback.
After I showed them the advertising and websites et al,, they are still investigating.

springsteps
09-08-2003, 03:32 AM
DON'T GET NEAR HER!
I have had recent dealings with her agency. She sent me a list of 20 publishers who she stated received my written query letter and of those 20, five were interested in my manuscript. I had to make the copies and pay for the postage to get them to the publishers. (I thought that's what the $300 was for that I sent her.) Being a skeptic, I searched her out on the net and much to my surprise, it's the research I should have done prior to contracting with her for representation. I contacted the five publishers and three quit accepting material from her as far back as March 2003, sending her stuff back unopened. When I finally got ahold of her last week, she so graciously told me that three publishers had rejected my work. When I asked her for copies of the rejection letters, she stupidly told me who they were and that she "throws them away if they aren't positive or have a positive note in them." These were the three publishers I had already heard from and asked me to re-submit my work without her. I could be angry if I think she stole my hopes and dreams, but those are two things she can never have. If anyone needs a friend to talk to about her, let me know. Get back in the saddle and keep trying. Janet Kay is on her way to a place far worse than any of her so-called clients are visiting right now since jail isn't out of the realm of possibility----right where she belongs! I did contact Brian Elkins of the San Angelo Police Department and since I only live 92 miles from 133 W Concho, San Angelo, Texas, I think I will pay a personal visit to her and request she return my $300.00 to me immediately.:hat

writersweekly
02-27-2004, 04:50 AM
From Angela Hoy at WritersWeekly.com:

I received a phone call from Detective Brian Elkins of the San Angelo Police Department a few weeks ago and was thrilled to learn that a search warrant had been served at Janet Kay & Associates. The police department apparently carted away enough manuscripts to fill an entire jail cell.

Janet Kay and George Titsworth (her husband?), operated under numerous names, including:
Janet Kay and Associates / Janet Kay & Associates
authorswanted.com
JanGeo Ink Publishing Company
Helping Hand Literary Service
newwriterswanted.com

We were not permitted to share this information until Detective Elkins released a statement concerning this case. Here it is:

~~~~~

Re: Janet Kay Investigation

Since September 2002 the San Angelo Police Department assisted by several
other law enforcement agencies has been investigating the company(s) known
as Helping Hands Literary Service, Janet Kay & Associates and JanGeo Ink.
The crime alleged is "Theft" by deception.

These company's were taking fees for contacts with publishers. The
investigation shows that although the fees were being taken personal
contact or contact only with publishers did not happen. Clients were led
to believe that they had a high chance of being published if money was
given for office expenses.

On January 30, 2004 a search warrant was served on the home and business
of Janet Kay and George Titsworth. All manuscripts and writings submitted
to this business were seized and placed in evidence. These manuscripts and
writings will remain in evidence until the conclusion of the investigation
and prosecution of all involved.

Soon after the search warrant was served I was advised that the business
was abandoned. At this time there is nothing/nobody left in what used to
be the office for Janet Kay and Associates. The phones and mail are going
unanswered.

Many of you have questions about plagiarism and your contracts. At this
point I have no information that leads me to believe that any of the
writings submitted were used in any illegal way. As for the contracts you
have signed the best I can inform you is to consult with a local attorney
in your area. Attorneys in this area advised that a contract is only as
good as both parties fulfill the letter of the contract.

If you have yet to file a complaint with the police department please
fill out the form Statement of Fact (contact Detective Elkins via the email
link below).

If you have already filed a complaint with the police department
you may receive an e-mail from my office needing more
information. If this is the case you will also need to
go to the web link and complete the form. Many of you have registered
your name but we need complete information for the case file. In
addition, if you have any paperwork, documentation, correspondence with
any one or more of theses companies, please forward a copy to the San
Angelo Police Department attn; Det. Brian Elkins. Scanned or electronic
copies my be sent to brian.elkins@sanangelopolice.org.

This bulletin was put out to inform victims of this crime and to reduce
the amount of phone calls coming in to my office and the office of
criminal investigations. I know some of you may have specific questions
for me. If this is the case please call however be advised it may take me
some time to contact you back.

Det. Brian Elkins
San Angelo Police Department
401 E. Beauregard
San Angelo, TX. 76903
brian.elkins@sanangelopolice.org

~~~~

You can read numerous complaints about this firm at:
www.writersweekly.com/php...php?t=1301 (http://www.writersweekly.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1301)
www.writersweekly.com/whi...etkay.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/whispers_and_warnings/janetkay.html)
www.writersweekly.com/whi...lping.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/whispers_and_warnings/helping.html)
pub43.ezboard.com/fabsolu...D=64.topic (http://pub43.ezboard.com/fabsolutewritefrm11.showMessage?topicID=64.topic)

vstrauss
02-27-2004, 08:55 AM
Writer Beware got the same bulletin from Det. Elkins today. We've posted it on the Writer Alert page:

www.sfwa.org/Beware/gener...#titsworth (http://www.sfwa.org/Beware/general.html#titsworth)

- Victoria

Dancre
02-27-2004, 11:11 AM
YIKES!!! I almost signed up with that woman, but i had a bad feeling. my friend told me to check the BBB and she had a list a mile long. i turned her down, thank God! hopefully, this will send a message to all those cons out there, that the police are after them.
kim
Ps, Victoria, i tried to send you the cunard hathcox agency, but the letter came back saying attempted not known. can you repost your address again, so i can send you the info?
thanks

emeraldcite
02-27-2004, 12:48 PM
hopefully, this will send a message to all those cons out there

not as long as there are people to con.

vstrauss
02-27-2004, 10:47 PM
PO Box 1216
Amherst MA 01004

- Victoria

JustinoIV
02-27-2004, 11:48 PM
"not as long as there are people to con. "

While we'll never be absolutely con free, the problem with so many fradulent literary agents or Hollywood agents is that the average person knows nothing about the industry. When people are defrauded, many do not complain.

You can send a message to con artists, when you run across them report them to relevant authorities, post information here, etc. I have learned a lot from boards like this, writers beware, and just from plain experience.

I for one I'm glad I'm a starving artist, when scams were tried on me for the most part I had no $$$$$$$. Now I know a lot mroe about the industry and can easily weed our fakes and just plain inept people.

But back to the previous poster, I do thing these cases and boards are sending messages out there. Keep up the good work, people are Writers Weekly and Writers Beware!

I think more than likely, the internet has made the number of would be scam artists mushroom, as they potentially had an entire globe of victims instead of being limited to one geographic area. Forums like this can fight that, and do send a message out there.

And for those of who stung, or those of you have had people attempt to hoodwink you, again, report the crime. That's the greatest weapon we have.

DaveKuzminski
02-28-2004, 01:38 AM
No, these cons were already out there in force. One had to only look in the back of many old magazines to see ads for them. What's happened is that the Internet has shifted the playing ground so that writers finally have an almost level field on which to have a fighting chance. You don't see any of the reputable agencies, editing services, or publishers rushing to condemn or destroy the watchdog sites because they know they're not in our target sights. We writers are the solution to some of the ills that were foisted upon publishers' shoulders in the past when writers believed it was up to them to deal with the scammers when it's up to us to marshal our forces and share what we know now that we have global communication and a way to list the scammers so that even the newest of newbie writers can see for themselves who to avoid.

JustinoIV
02-28-2004, 12:14 PM
I suppose the internet leveled out the field by making it much easier to contact relevant government agencies, by enabling writers to interact (the watchdog websites), as well as making it easier to contact the Writers Guild and the Authors Guild. A so called agent that I quered from a Writers Guild list replied to my query with a no thanks but here is my good literary consultant friend who can totally help you. When I called the Writers Guild(their info is listed on the website), they did not look kindly to this.

For the few good websites that have lists of prodcos, agents, and publishing companies, if their are contacted on cases of fraud, they'll remove the guilty parties from their mailing list. From the old magazines, it must have been much harded to have any action taken (since they likely ran paid ads)

RhapsodyBlue55
03-25-2004, 12:54 PM
Oh good grief. Am I the only one that feels total humiliation here? As in I was gullible enough to believe the letter of praise for my work and subsequently tell my circle of friends and family that I was soon to be published? Well it appears I am not alone. There's a sick sort of comfort in that. I don't wish this on anyone. Least of all myself.

I just thought that I had done my newcomer homework very well and it seemed legitimate, professional even. Certainly I would not pay someone to assess my work, and I didn't. But I see that I am not beneath vanity or having my ego stroked and I guess that's one of the great tools a scam mer will use.

Sadly, I'm not sure I can say what the moral of the story is, how to avoid this in the future. Don't believe an agent that appraises your work highly? How dare I ! How mindlessly vain can I be?

I didn't send any money and I didn't sign anything. But my manuscript, fully copyrighted is sitting there in the most evil of slush piles. I can think of a better place to be rubbing shoulders with my colleagues. Has anyone heard if our manuscripts will be returned to us after this is all over?

%%WORD162%U
jcomposed@earthlink.net

vstrauss
03-25-2004, 09:43 PM
>>Sadly, I'm not sure I can say what the moral of the story is, how to avoid this in the future. Don't believe an agent that appraises your work highly? How dare I ! How mindlessly vain can I be?<<

The moral of the story: don't approach bad agents to begin with. Do your research ahead of time--before you send that query letter. There are many resources to help you--Preditors & Editors, Writer Beware (click on the link below my signature, and visit the Agents page, where you'll find a list of warning signs), your own efforts (which _every_ writer should make) to learn as much as possible about the publishing industry.

It's _easy_ to avoid scammers, especially the really egregious ones like Janet Kay. Honest.

>>Has anyone heard if our manuscripts will be returned to us after this is all over?<<

I asked this question and got a noncommittal answer. There are enough manuscripts that they can't all fit into an 8' x 12' prison cell (I was told that many are in unopened envelopes). It would be prohibitively expensive to return them all. My guess is that they won't be returned.

- Victoria

bluwinteryfox
03-25-2004, 11:17 PM
I have a friend who submitted a manuscript to Janet Kay. I saw the message- thanks Victoria- and sent him the address. He called and spoke at length with the detective in charge. From what my friend said, if they find his manuscript, they'll do whatever they can to return it to him.

Monique Kenray

writersweekly
09-03-2004, 09:09 PM
WritersWeekly.com received a phone call from Detective Brian Elkins this morning. The duo apparently started an entirely new "literary agency" after the police shut down their last one and confiscated enough manuscripts to "fill a jail cell."

More info. at:
<a href="http://www.writersweekly.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2835" target="_new">http://www.writersweekly.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2835</a>

CaoPaux
09-03-2004, 09:28 PM
:grin

vstrauss
09-03-2004, 09:40 PM
I just got a call from Det. Elkins confirming this, and have posted an update to Writer Beware. Dave K. and I both had a hunch about the Harrison Agency, but we didn't want to say anything before we had confirmation.

- Victoria

DaveKuzminski
09-03-2004, 09:58 PM
It's just not every day that a new agency opens in the vicinity of the former Janet Kay and Associates location, let alone two. Having a former employee open Desert Rose in one nearby spot and Harrison Agency claim to be on an island just off the coast of Texas was too coincidental. Still, there was nothing concrete concerning Harrison for us to point at. Now there is.

Who knows? There may be enough evidence to take down the operator of Desert Rose, too.

mysteryquiller
09-04-2004, 09:32 PM
Victoria and Dave, you both have great sites! You are doing alot for us little guys out there.

I've met up with some un-ethical agents and publishers, most of them alerted on your websites.

Reviewing a real publishing contract at Writer Beware kept me from signing with Hilliard & Harris.

I contacted three former authors of H&H and one new author. None had good things to say about the contract. The new author has written an excellent book and has a brilliant plan to bring H&H into the 'light,' after the book is a success.

James Hood
'The Beech Memorandum,'

Writing Again
09-07-2004, 06:21 AM
Not sure if this is the right place to post this. I recieved this from a friend the other day in my e-mail. I don't know much about it except for the links below that came with the e-mail.

this is a post from 'writer's weekly.com':

JANET KAY and husband GEORGE TITSWORTH ARE **IN JAIL**

This is Angela Hoy at WritersWeekly.com. We just received a phone call from Detective Brian Elkins of the San Angelo Police Department asking us to let you know that Janet Kay Titsworth and her husband George Titsworth are now in jail. Yeah!!

Apparently, after the police confiscated enough manuscripts "to fill a jail cell" from their former company, Janet Kay and Associates, they then opened up another company, Harrison and Company Literary Agency (sonnyharrison.com) and started their shenanigans all over again!

If you are a victim of the following names / businesses and have not yet contacted Detective Elkins with your complaint, please do so here: Det. Brian Elkins, San Angelo Police Department, San Angelo, Texas. Email: brian.elkins@sanangelopolice.org

Janet Kay and George Titsworth's alleged businesses and names:

Harrison and Company Literary Agency
sonnyharrison.com
Janet Kay and Associates
newwriterswanted.com
authorswanted.com
Helping Hand Literary Service
JanGeo Ink Publishing Company

AND, KUDOS TO Detective Elkins and his team for protecting authors nationwide from these jerks!!

You can read complaints about this firm and info. about their legal troubles on the following pages:

www.writersweekly.com/php...php?t=1593 (http://www.writersweekly.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1593)

www.writersweekly.com/whi...lping.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/whispers_and_warnings/helping.html)

www.writersweekly.com/whi...etkay.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/whispers_and_warnings/janetkay.html)

www.writersweekly.com/php...php?t=1301 (http://www.writersweekly.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1301)

www.writersweekly.com/php...php?t=2652 (http://www.writersweekly.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2652)

www.writersweekly.com/php...php?t=1486 (http://www.writersweekly.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1486)

Risseybug
09-07-2004, 04:18 PM
Hey WA, good to see you over here. It's Christine N. over there at WW.

I think this has been posted, but thanks for the update :)

Writing Again
09-08-2004, 12:41 AM
Thank you for the welcome, Christine.

I find these things depressing and don't keep track of them as much as I should. Which is why people who care about me hit me over the head with them every once in a while.

I think this section, where you can post things like this, and look thru it before you submit, is a great idea.

tfdswift
09-08-2004, 01:22 AM
I wonder if those who got screwed out of money (such as my idiotic self) will ever see their money again?

:cry :head :cry :head >: >:

~~Tammy

“Today is the best day. Yesterday is gone forever. Tomorrow will never arrive.” ~ David Wolfe

Writing Again
09-08-2004, 02:13 AM
You can't sit and wait. In our society reimbursing the victiim is not a social consideration. You have to get a lawyer and initiate a civil suit.

The problem is that initiating a civil suit costs more moeny and there is still a chance you will never see a dime, especially if they were not insured.

A good lawyer can tell you a lot more and usually iniitial consultations are free. It would not hurt to consult one.

DaveKuzminski
09-10-2004, 06:01 AM
Well, then, I guess you haven't heard yet, but she and her husband were recently arrested. They are temporarily out on bail, but they have a date with the court which may blossom into a long term arrangement behind bars.

Dhewco
09-10-2004, 07:09 AM
Sorry, Dave. This and the Melanie Post got knocked to the front because, in the process of reading old posts, I voted in the polls. I didn't realize it would make it a fresh post.


Sorry again,

David :shrug :shrug

James D Macdonald
09-10-2004, 11:05 AM
... they have a date with the court which may blossom into a long term arrangement behind bars.

I find that particularly funny when you consider George talking about the "gated community" he lives in <a href="http://www.sonnyharrison.com/pages/5/index.htm" target="_new">here</a>.

tfdswift
12-14-2004, 11:37 PM
I recieved the following letter a day or so ago:

December 1, 2004

RE: Janet Kay Titsworth & George Harrison Titsworth
CHARGE: Theft
CAUSE#: A-04-0549-S & A-04-0548-S

Dear Tammy,

A Tom Green Grand Jury recently indicted this case against the above referenced Defendant. The Defendant will be arraigned and a trial date set. You may be needed to appear as a witness in this case and will receive a subpoena with the date to appear.

The District Attorney's office understands what it means to be the victim of a crime, and we will do everything we can to minimize any difficulties to you. To enable us to assist you, it is important that you complete the enclosed restitution form. Please return the form to our office within 20 days of the above date. Failure to comply with this request could result in the case being disposed of without you being awarded your restitution.

If you have any questions, please contact our Victim/Witness personnel at (325)658-6942 or (325)659-6583. The disposition of this case is available upon request.

Sincerely,

Molly Thurman
Victim/Witness Coordinator

Hopefully these crooks will get what they deserve.

~~Tammy

aka eraser
12-15-2004, 01:28 AM
Fingers crossed here.

Renee777
02-10-2005, 05:24 AM
I had $1300.00 taken from me over a 9 month period.

I found about about the scam in Dec. of 03..

I was so pleased when I received the Restitution Claim Form in the mail from the District Attorneys' Office this Dec04.

A little strange huh? Found out bad news in December, then received good news.

Anyway, I still don't know if I'll ever see my $1300.00 again..?

Renee
02-13-2005, 05:37 AM
So glad they were caught!

I hate that they got to so many people - it just isn't right!

Renee777
02-13-2005, 08:30 PM
I run into new people all the time that were also victims.

I hate that they got so much from us, and that 9 months were wasted!

Lucky Penny
05-09-2005, 10:55 PM
I know this is a very old thread, but I wanted to confess that the 'Helping Hand Literary Agency' GOT me back in 1999/2000, but luckily I didn't have much $$$ to throw their way, so they only got $50 out of me...that and two kid's books manuscripts. *sigh*

victoriastrauss
05-10-2005, 01:02 AM
I've been told that the police removed stacks and stacks of manuscripts from the Titsworths' house--enough to fill two 8' x 12' jail cells--many of them in unopened envelopes. From talking with the detective in charge of the case, I have the impression that the police and courts just don't have the resources to contact so many authors and send back so many manuscripts, even at the author's expense.

- Victoria

Lucky Penny
05-10-2005, 01:19 AM
I've been told that the police removed stacks and stacks of manuscripts from the Titsworths' house--enough to fill two 8' x 12' jail cells--many of them in unopened envelopes. From talking with the detective in charge of the case, I have the impression that the police and courts just don't have the resources to contact so many authors and send back so many manuscripts, even at the author's expense.

- Victoria
That's what I read...so I didn't bother trying to get them back. I did talk to George at some point back in 1999 and I know he had at least opened mine & read the titles because he commented on them. It just sickens me that someone would do that to anyone...let alone so MANY people!

AC Crispin
05-10-2005, 10:15 PM
The trial for George Titsworth and Janet Kay has been moved back to August, per the San Angelo DA's office yesterday.

It's possible I'll be asked to testify.

-Ann C. Crispin
Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com (http://www.writerbeware.com)
Author: STORMS OF DESTINY/HarperEos
www.accrispin.com (http://www.accrispin.com)

CaoPaux
05-10-2005, 10:58 PM
The trial for George Titsworth and Janet Kay has been moved back to August, per the San Angelo DA's office yesterday.

It's possible I'll be asked to testify.

-Ann C. Crispin
Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com (http://www.writerbeware.com)
Author: STORMS OF DESTINY/HarperEos
www.accrispin.com (http://www.accrispin.com)Ooo, Texas in August. Lucky you! ;)

James D. Macdonald
05-10-2005, 11:04 PM
It's possible I'll be asked to testify.


Woo! Road trip!

Richard White
05-11-2005, 12:43 AM
Ah, I remember it well.

Ann, if you need any information about San Angelo (places to stay, eat or even better, where NOT to http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/smilies/Emoterofl5.gif), just drop me a line. My wife is from San Angelo and I was stationed there four times in my military career.

Lucky Penny
05-11-2005, 08:24 AM
The trial for George Titsworth and Janet Kay has been moved back to August, per the San Angelo DA's office yesterday.

It's possible I'll be asked to testify.

-Ann C. Crispin
Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com (http://www.writerbeware.com)
Author: STORMS OF DESTINY/HarperEos
www.accrispin.com (http://www.accrispin.com)
oh...I didn't realize the trial hadn't been held yet!! Wow, I knew the court system was slow, but....geeez! Please let us know how it goes...I'm very curious to know.

I actually live in TX, but no where near San Angelo! But you'll be staying in the A/C as much as possible, I can assure you! :) lol

Stuffedtoy
07-08-2005, 06:54 PM
I was just thinking about these people. I also received a letter from the DA some months back and was wondering what had happened. It's been almost 4 years since I got involved with these people. I checked out the BBB and other sites for warnings, but at that time they must have been new. I sunk a few hundred into that venture (Stupid is as stupid does). The communication with them was good and I was receiving the leads they promised, but never heard the outcome. Then I receiced a call from them telling me that they had gone to some production meeting and there were three companies interested... blah blah blah. I was to write a 25 word description, ect.... they had it down pat.

Anyway, I hadn't heard anything more for quite some time so was wondering what happened with them. Last I heard, one of them was in jail, and the other was trying to start up the business again. Who know. They're obviously a flight risk- I'd think.

James D. Macdonald
10-13-2005, 01:33 AM
October 12, 2005

JANET KAY & ASSOCIATES WILL GET OFF EASY - BIG TIME!
printable version (http://www.writersweekly.com/print/the_latest_from_angelahoycom/003011_10122005.html)


This alert may be reprinted/redistributed freely. - Angela Hoy, WritersWeekly.com

JANET KAY & ASSOCIATES WILL GET OFF EASY - BIG TIME!
May not be required to pay full, agreed-upon restitution? No jail time?!
By Angela Hoy, WritersWeekly.com

SEND YOUR COMPLAINTS TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THE U.S. ATTORNEY AND THE JUDGE HIMSELF!


As you may all remember, Janet Kay & Associates (including her husband George Titsworth) were accused of ripping off hundreds of hopeful authors in a horrible scheme of deceit. With the help of many writing websites and discussion lists, she and her husband were finally caught, indicted and arrested.

Months later (last week), we received an email from the District Attorney letting us know the Titsworths plan to plead guilty in November, will serve no prison time, and have agreed to pay restitution...even though they don't have the money. The terms of the deal are a bit vague, but are included below. I'm no lawyer, but this is what I believe all the bantering means.



The article continues after that. Read it all here:

http://www.writersweekly.com/the_latest_from_angelahoycom/003011_10122005.html

Writer2011
10-13-2005, 01:34 AM
I've heard of them...was even thinking about contacting them...glad I didn't know.

DaveKuzminski
10-13-2005, 01:35 AM
This alert may be reprinted/redistributed freely. - Angela Hoy,
WritersWeekly.com

JANET KAY & ASSOCIATES WILL GET OFF EASY - BIG TIME!
May not be required to pay full, agreed-upon restitution? No jail time?!

SEND YOUR COMPLAINTS TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THE U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL
AND THE JUDGE HIMSELF!

by Angela Hoy, WritersWeekly.com

As you may all remember, Janet Kay & Associates (including her husband
George Titsworth) were accused of ripping off hundreds of hopeful authors
in a horrible scheme of deceit. With the help of many writing websites and
discussion lists, she and her husband were finally caught, indicted and
arrested.

Months later (last week), we received an email from the District Attorney
letting us know the Titsworths plan to plead guilty in November, will
serve no prison time, and have agreed to pay restitution...even though
they don't have the money. The terms of the deal are a bit vague, but are
included below. I'm no lawyer, but this is what I believe all the
bantering means.

Even though the district attorney knows Janet and George don't have the
money, he's letting them plead guilty, serve no jail time, and promise to
"pay" $100K in restitution. He said, "There's a difference between the
restitution ordered and the judgment obtained. Realistically, they can't
pay the full amount and the court will not set them up to fail by
requiring repayment of the full amount during the term of the
probation."

You, I, the district attorney, and everybody else know you can't make
people pay money they don't have. And, if I understand the D.A.'s emails
correctly, even if they don't pay, they won't go to jail (because they
won't be required to pay the full amount during the "term of the
probation"). So, you, the victims, won't get your money back, and Janet
and George, after crushing the dreams (and wallets) of more than 500
alleged victims (per the Victim/Witness Coordinator), get to just go on
with
their dishonest lives.

Does this anger you? Yes, I'm furious, too!

The D.A.'s emails indicate he thought he'd have a hard time getting
victims from out of state to testify. I don't believe this would have been
the case given the number of victims (enough manuscripts "to fill a jail
cell" according to the initial investigator). Again (this warrants
repeating!), the district attorney then allowed them to offer to plead
guilty in exchange for payment of $100K in restitution...which, according
to the D.A., they don't even have, and may never be required to fully
pay anyway.

The D.A. then explained this guilty plea would make it easier for the
victims to sue in civil court - meaning, in my opinion, that he appears to
be pushing the liability and expense of this entire criminal case on YOU,
THE VICTIM, to be battled in civil court later - again, against two people
who no longer have your money anyway! The District Attorney also assigns
partial blame to the U.S. Attorney who rejected this case twice (they
could have been tried on federal charges).

So, Janet and George get to walk away, probably won't ever have to pay the
full amount - may never pay anything at all - nor serve any prison time,
and if you want your money back, YOU'LL have to pay money to sue THEM.

Since Janet and George, according to the D.A. himself, don't have the
money to pay restitution anyway, why in the world are they letting them go
free? What went wrong?

Well, according to the District Attorney, they could have been prosecuted
in federal court for alleged wire fraud, but the U.S. Attorney refused to
take this case twice. If you are a victim, I strongly encourage you to
voice your opposition about this decision to the U.S. Attorney. His
contact information is below.

Let's face it folks. We're not talking about a dozen of so victims. We're
talking about what the victim/witness coordinator claims may be more than
500 victims, some of whom were elderly and couldn't afford to lose
anything! We're talking about a couple that claimed they were "Christians"
in what appeared to be a way to create trust and to gather more victims!
Their victims claim they even concocted stories about illness to further
fool their victims! Something is terribly wrong with our
justice system if you can rip off that many people, crush their dreams,
empty their wallets, and walk away free while promising to pay money you
and the courts know you don't even have!!!

A copy of the emails I exchanged with the D.A. are below. Please read them
and form your own opinion about this ridiculous conclusion to years of
pain and financial suffering caused by Janet Kay and George Titsworth.

EMAIL SENT TO KNOWN VICTIMS BY THE VICTIM/WITNESS OFFICE:

Dear Ms. Hoy:

George and Janet Kay Titsworth were indicted and
arrested on a charge of theft committed during the
operation of their business, Janet Kay & Associates.
The Titsworths will be entering a guilty plea in
November and will be receiving a sentence of 10 years
deferred adjudication probation and will be ordered to
pay a total of $100,000.00 in restitution. Our office
is trying to verify addresses so restitution can be
paid out & any confiscated manuscripts can be returned.
Please respond to this email with your correct address
so we can ensure that any restitution and manuscripts
will be correctly distributed.

Thank you,
Karla Johnston - karla.johnston@co.tom-green.tx.us (http://webmail.att.net/wmc/v/wm/434D8095000BA4D50000543E216037622307059C020703969A 05D204D20B?cmd=ComposeTo&adr=karla%2Ejohnston%40co%2Etom%2Dgreen%2Etx%2Eus&sid=c1)
Victim/Witness Office
Tom Green County District Attorney's Office

MY RESPONSE:

Hi Karla,

I'm not a victim. We're a publication that helped alert
victims and warn potential victims. I will post your
note in our issue on Wednesday.

I'm very upset they won't do jail time. I believe the
$100K is just a drop in the bucket for the incredible
amount of financial and emotional harm they've done.
This is no more than a slap on the wrist. Please pass
our opinion along to the D.A. Looks like they took the
easy way out. Quite disappointing to my fellow writers
and quite encouraging to other scammers in the industry
who haven't been caught yet. I wonder if the victims
even had a say in this decision.

With that sentence and low fine, looks like Janet Kay &
Associates WON.

Angela Hoy
WritersWeekly.com

THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S RESPONSE:

Karla forwarded my email to the D.A. and he responded
by stating he had "limited authority" to subpoena out
of state witnesses but that the federal government, who
had more authority, had twice refused the case. He said
the victims wouldn't have received any restitution if
the Titsworths went to prison and that they'd be
required to pay "a substantial amount" up front. (In a
later email, he said, "Basically, I can probably only
get about 50% of the restitution out of them as a
condition of probation...") Hmmm...

He also said, in the initial email, that, by taking a
felony plea, they might still have to serve a maximum
prison term if they fail to successfully complete
probation. In a later email he said, "If they don't pay
the money ordered, then their probation can be revoked
and they can be sent to prison." But, again, as stated
above, he said, "Realistically, they can't pay the full
amount and the court will not set them up to fail by
requiring repayment of the full amount during the term
of the probation." If you interpret that the same way
as I do - it looks like they'll NEVER go to jail.

And, even if the D.A. manages to get half of the
judgment (not likely, in my opinion), that's $50,000.
Divide that by 500 victims (there may be more!), and
that averages $100 measly bucks per victim.

On October 10th, I asked the D.A. for the name and
address of the judge for this case. He didn't answer my
question so I obtained it from the Victim/Witness
Coordinator, Molly Thurman. It's near the end of this
article. The D.A. also asked me not to publish anything
until after the plea "to prevent polluting any
potential jury pool." I initially agreed, but that was
before I realized the victims weren't aware of all the
facts in this case (and before I heard from victims
that they hadn't been consulted about this deal).

MY OCTOBER 10TH EMAIL TO THE D.A.:

Hi Marshall,

We've received so many complaints about this situation
that I'm planning to publish this story this week. The
victims deserve to be heard and to know what's going on
now, before any final deal is signed by the judge.

Please let me know if you'd like to send an official
statement for publication. Our readers will want to
know exactly why Janet and George are walking free
while promising to pay money the government knows they
don't even have. The majority of victims we've heard
from also want to know why they weren't consulted about
this deal. They want the Titsworths to go to jail,
especially since they don't believe they'll see a dime
of any restitution anyway. It's pretty senseless to
tell victims they'll have to sue in civil court when
everyone knows the Titsworths are broke. The victims
don't want a worthless "I.O.U" from these crooks. They
want punishment.

Angela Hoy
WritersWeekly.com

THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S RESPONSE:

Angela -

I understand that people are frustrated. Here's the
dilemma I have - with a limited ability to subpoena
people from out of state, I would only have been able
to get 5-10 victims to testify. Even if a dozen
victims attended voluntarily, I probably still wouldn't
have had enough victims to get above $20K. Below $20K,
it's what's called a state jail felony, while above
$20K (up to $100K), it's a third degree felony. State
jail felonies are punishable by 180-730 days in jail,
while third degree felonies are punishable by up to 10
years in prison. They're pleading to a third degree
felony probation. If I had taken it to trial, I may or
may not have been able to prove up the state jail
felony level. If I did, they would almost certainly
have gotten probation anyway, since they are
non-violent offenders and the prisons in Texas are more
or less totally full. Even had I won, only the victims
that came and testified would have gotten restitution.

I may have had trouble proving up even the state jail
felony. Essentially, I would have about a dozen victims
saying that they sent the manuscripts in and that the
Titsworths farmed them out for publication
unsuccessfully and lied in various different ways. I
would have had an expert testify that the Titsworths
did not live up to the standards of literary agents.
However, the defense would undoubtedly have argued that
being bad at your job isn't a crime and that the
Titsworths were just bad at their job. He'd try to
explain their lies as simply encouraging the authors.
The key to making a publishing fraud case is the sheer
volume of victims. I would have had a lot of trouble
getting enough victims here to make the case.

Indisputably, the best place for this case was federal
court, where they could have easily proven wire fraud
and sent the Titsworths up for a long time. However,
the feds twice refused the case. I encourage you to
write the United States Attorney for an explanation of
why his office declined prosecution.

Marty Wilde

Well, readers, I'm not buying it. There's a tremendous difference between
incompetence and what the Titsworths were doing and I believe even just
one victim could easily convince the jury of that.

And, let's put this "deal" into perspective. Martha Stewart just lied to
investigators. She got 5 months in prison. The Titsworths, who are alleged
to have 500 VICTIMS, are going to walk.

VICTIMS, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS "PLEA DEAL" OR WOULD OTHERWISE LIKE TO
COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW THIS CASE HAS BEEN HANDLED, CONTACT:

Marshall Wilde - marshall.wilde@co.tom-green.tx.us (http://webmail.att.net/wmc/v/wm/434D8095000BA4D50000543E216037622307059C020703969A 05D204D20B?cmd=ComposeTo&adr=marshall%2Ewilde%40co%2Etom%2Dgreen%2Etx%2Eus&sid=c1)
District Attorney
Tom Green County District Attorney's Office

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE PLEA DEAL AND WANT TO LET THE JUDGE KNOW ABOUT IT
(OR LET HIM KNOW YOU WERE NEVER CONSULTED ABOUT ANY PLEA), CONTACT HIM
DIRECTLY AT:

51st District Judge Walther
112 West Beauregard
San Angelo, Texas 76903

Note: There are four District Court Judges and any one of them may hear
the case. The Victim/Witness Coordinator suggested sending letters to the
judge above. They will reach their correct destination. I recommend
sending copies of your letters to Molly J. Thurman, the Victim/Witness
Coordinator. Her contact info. is below.

IF YOU HAVEN'T YET CONTACTED THE VICTIM/WITNESS OFFICE TO CLAIM YOUR
PORTION OF THE "RESTITUTION" AND RETURN OF YOUR MANUSCRIPT:

Molly J. Thurman - molly.thurman@co.tom-green.tx.us (http://webmail.att.net/wmc/v/wm/434D8095000BA4D50000543E216037622307059C020703969A 05D204D20B?cmd=ComposeTo&adr=molly%2Ethurman%40co%2Etom%2Dgreen%2Etx%2Eus&sid=c1)
Victim/Witness Coordinator
51st & 119th District Attorney
124 West Beauregard Street
San Angelo, Texas 76903
Phone: 325-653-1912

TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FEDS REJECTING THIS CASE:

US Attorney for the Northern District of Texas
Lubbock Branch Office at 1205 Texas Avenue, Suite 700
George M. Mahon Federal Building
Lubbock, Texas 79401-4002
Phone: 806-472-7351
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn/sanangelo.htm (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn/sanangelo.htm)">http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn)
/sanangelo.htm">http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn/sanangelo.htm (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn/sanangelo.htm)

AND, FINALLY, HERE ARE SOME LETTERS WE RECEIVED FROM VICTIMS AFTER LAST
WEEK'S ANNOUNCEMENT:

From: Patricia T.
Sun, 9 Oct 2005

Hey Angela

I was not contacted about any kind of deal with Janet
Kay. We have been cheated.

Patricia

---

From: Norma C.
Mon, 3 Oct 2005

Thank you, Angela. I also told the attorneys office of
my disappointment in their not going to jail and the
small fine. I don't know about the rest of the victims
but I was never informed of a court date. What they
did was a horrid game with people that they knew were
vulnerable and besides that, he used God!!! He told me
he was a, and I quote this, "Born again, praise God,
halleluiah, Christian Jew." I kid you not. He said the
reason he was not a member of the writers guild was
because of his stand against gay people. And, yes, I
was dumb enough to believe that! Now, I could have
cared less about that or his being a Christian Jew, its
just that he thought it would win me over. He said he
was completely paralyzed at one point due to, I forgot
what, and later Janet said he had a heart attack so she
had taken over the business for awhile. These people
are habitual liars!! Well, what goes around comes
around. They will lose everything some day; I have no
doubt about that at all. You are appreciated so much!

Hugs,
Norma

---

From: Rita M.
Tue Oct 11, 2005

I saw the DA's note on how busy they are with numerous
cases to deal with, and to be patient and wait to hear
from them, unless anything has happened or changed with
victim circumstances.

I am a victim of Janet Kay and Associates.

In my restitution letter, they were going to subpoena
me - but unfortunately I am on the other side of the
world. Had I been living in or near Texas, or USA, I
would have made my way to attend all hearings. My
writing career was ruined by her and her lovely
husband. I originally started full of strength and
determination to get my book published - and even if it
was not of a publishable standard, honesty would have
helped me, even if it did hurt! I was filled with
strength and determination to continue on and succeed.

After the Janet Kay and Associates experience, I
haven't got it anymore! Plus, I don't believe anyone!
I'm soooo burnt out I feel dead.

Spiritually, I went to her firm because of
Christianity. I admit, I followed what I believed was
God, only to be confronted by Satan himself, and the
pain he has caused me.

As an unpublished writer, I feel I have been severely
mocked by Janet Kay and Associates. They killed me and
my manuscript.

My dealings went on for a year . . . I even sent her
presents!

Rita

TO READ MORE ABOUT JANET KAY & ASSOCIATES, AND MORE COMPLAINTS FROM
VICTIMS, see:

http://www.writersweekly.com/whispers_and_warnings/janetkay.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/whispers_and_warnings/janetkay.html)
http://www.writersweekly.com/warnings/helping.html (http://www.writersweekly.com/warnings/helping.html)
http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=1593 (http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=1593)
http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=1301 (http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=1301)
http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=1486 (http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=1486)
http://www.sfwa.org/beware/general.html (http://www.sfwa.org/beware/general.html)
http://www.suite101.com/mydiscussion.cfm/christyparker/7831#4 (http://www.suite101.com/mydiscussion.cfm/christyparker/7831#4)
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=976&highlight=janet+assoc (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=976&highlight=janet+assoc)
iates

Jaws
10-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Oh, dear. Yet another screed from someone who doesn't understand the limits on the system.

In the best of all possible worlds, white-collar criminals would be treated like drug lords; they'd go to prison, they'd pay restitution, they'd have their assets forfeited to the government. This is not the best of all possible worlds. There are significant political and financial constraints on prosecution of all crimes in this country, particularly outside of the top ten SMSAs. That's what really drives the system of plea-bargains: It would simply be impossible to prosecute every case.

Let's turn this around: Individual writers are getting a "measly" $100. A hundred bucks is certainly better than the zero that would be available if the Titsworths disspated all of their remaining assets paying legal fees for a defense. It's also substantially better than the victims of the Deerings got (less than $0.08 on the dollar), and substantially better than most fraud victims ever get (zero). The demand for more assumes that every penny earned in a con scheme is sent to a high-interest off-shore account, and not spent on living expenses (however frivolous), the expenses of running the con, etc.

More valuably, the individual writers are getting a judicial notice that not only were they defrauded, but they weren't alone. I represent victims of con schemes in my practice; there is no substitute for convincing an author that he/she wasn't the only one taken advantage of. That's what enables the writers to pick up the pieces of their lives, their manuscripts, their writing: The knowledge that others were taken, too, and that they're not alone in their naivete. One of my clients—who was taken for a ride twice—is now a judge. He's not stupid; he knows/knew contract law; he was naive about industry practices. (I'd like to think he's wiser now.)

Thus, although I'd like to think that it would be possible to hammer the Titsworths harder, in the grand scheme of things they're actually getting hit harder than most con artists ever do. Think about that before you eviscerate the DA who is trying to allocate his limited resources—time, money, prison cells, attorneys—to do an impossible job. In short, they're getting as close to what we believe they deserve as the system can realistically give them.

Any criticism should be reserved for the system itself, not for the people trying to work within it. That means writing to legislators demanding that statutes get amended to provide for victim restitution funds and for greater penalties for white-collar crime combined with corresponding greater resources to do the job.

In short, Ms Adair-Hoy is in the wrong on this one.

rekirts
10-13-2005, 09:03 PM
Yah, my husband is the Canadian equivalent of a D.A. The public doesn't know the hoops these guys jump through to try to help victims of crime. Plea bargains are perceived as a cop out, but often it means the difference between getting some sort of conviction with lesser punishment, or none at all.

DaveKuzminski
10-13-2005, 09:15 PM
While I agree with Jaws and rekirts about the benefits of plea bargains, I would like to see the judge in that case send them to prison for a few months at the very least and also prohibit them from having any publishing related businesses for the rest of their lives subject to even stiffer penalties.

victoriastrauss
10-13-2005, 09:49 PM
Maybe the Titsworths won't be going to jail, but they will be getting probation, which means that they'll face actual jail time if they screw up (which hopefully will provide them with an incentive not to engage in any future literary scams).

They'll also be paying restitution. So their victims will be getting at least some financial remuneration--which, as Jaws points out, is more than most victims of con artists ever receive, and a lot more than has been paid out (per victim) by any literary scammer to date.

Just as important: victims' manuscripts and other materials will be returned. To many writers, this will mean far more than money, and the Victim/Witness office, which could have chosen simply to discard everything, deserves kudos for undertaking this enormous job. I'm told that there are two 8'x11' prison cells filled with manuscripts. Imagine the time and money it will take to sort the manuscripts, package them up, and mail them out.

I too would love to see the Titsworths go to prison, but as Jaws says, this is not the best of all possible worlds. Under the circumstances, I think that what's happening is a reasonable compromise.

- Victoria

CaoPaux
10-13-2005, 10:26 PM
I'd like to toss in a thank you! to everyone involved in bringing the hammer down on these criminal scum.

DaveKuzminski
10-13-2005, 10:29 PM
Just a note here for the Titsworths and anyone who might consider fronting for them.


We'll all be watching.

Cathy C
10-13-2005, 11:12 PM
they will be getting 10 years' probation, which means that they'll face actual jail time if they screw up


I would add that this actually means something in Texas -- at least in Tom Green County, which is just down the road from me. It's not a soft and fluffy place to be on probation. :D

Jaws
10-14-2005, 02:41 AM
So, then, what exactly is probation? You may not leave the country. Period. In fact, you ordinarily must surrender your passport before sentence is passed. If you try to take a "day trip" to Canada or Mexico—which do not require Americans to show a passport, just an ID—you're in for a reeeeal good time.
You must notify your probation officer before leaving the state, and you definitely may not move to another state absent good cause shown (e.g., caring for a disabled parent).
You must notify your probation officer if you are going to be away from your residence for more than 72 hours. That means that if you're taking a trip to fish (or whatever), even within the state, you must notify your probation officer and tell him/her how to contact you.
You may not commit any criminal offense. No exceptions, and a gross misdemeanor is enough to trigger revocation. A bar fight, or a DWI, or vandalism, would be enough. And if you commit another crime of the same nature as that for which you were placed on probation, under Texas law you not only get your probation converted to prison time, but the sentences will be consecutive (rather than concurrent, as is normal).
You may not work for the state or county government in Texas, nor most local governments. That includes schools, so teachers are in heap big trouble.
Ordinarily, you may not vote.
You may not hold elective office (even school boards, etc.).
You must demonstrate persistent efforts to find and/or maintain gainful employment—and your probation officer is entitled to check on you at work.
You may not object to any search; that is, you've forfeited your "unreasonable search and seizure" rights under the Fourth Amendment. This specifically means that you can be wiretapped without a warrant.
In other words:

You may not bend over for the soap.

I suspect that the Titsworths will have a great deal of difficulty keeping clean after the last few years of supporting themselves through crime.

roach
10-14-2005, 03:48 AM
Jaws that's very informative. I think people read "probation" as a slap on the wrist. I know I did before I read your post. It's not jail time, but it's not license to go on living their lives as they had before.

Alphabeter
10-14-2005, 01:40 PM
And if they dare write a book on their 'adventures', may they be raked over by someone exactly like them!

HapiSofi
10-19-2005, 07:25 PM
Well said, Jaws.

The Titsworths aren't criminal masterminds. They're losers who stumbled into the fake agenting scam. It was their choice to do it, and they knew it was criminally dishonest, so they deserve their punishment. They may not have been sent to prison as so many here had hoped, but their lives have crashed and burned. They are not going to be happy.

First, they've been publicly declared criminals. I doubt they thought of themselves that way -- look at how they've paraded their supposed Christianity -- so it's got to be a serious humiliation.

Second, most of their assets will go to pay restitution and legal fees. They'll be poor, and they'll stay poor.

Third, as Jaws has explained so clearly, probation is not a bowl of cherries.

Fourth, consider the fact that the Titsworths haven't done a lick of honest work in years. They're out of practice. Getting back into the job market at their age is going to be hellacious. Even getting a job will be hard. But they're broke and they're on probation, so they have to do it.

Fifth, there'll be legal repercussions for years to come. The Titsworths' legal problems are going to be complex, tedious, troublesome, expensive, a perpetual source of worry, and impossible to ignore: just a misery to live with, first to last.

I don't know about you, but the thought of it cheers me up.

duckncvr
10-21-2005, 06:55 PM
Angela Hoy (writersweekly.com) is now saying that these two have indeed started up another business online somewhere, and the DA knows about it.. This was posted I believe in her October 12 column, so perhaps this has changed by now? Anyone know anything about it???

victoriastrauss
10-21-2005, 08:32 PM
Angela Hoy (writersweekly.com) is now saying that these two have indeed started up another business online somewhere, and the DA knows about it.. This was posted I believe in her October 12 column, so perhaps this has changed by now? Anyone know anything about it???No, I don't, and I think it's highly unlikely.

I also don't see anything like this in Angela's Oct. 12 column. However, Angela doesn't appear to have all the facts in this situation.

- Victoria

duckncvr
10-23-2005, 04:03 AM
Whoops, it was actually the October 19th edition.

"Dear Angela,

Like you I'm appalled at how easily this woman and her cohorts got off. But my question is who is going to be watching them to make sure they don't just set up shop and start this all over again? A name change and bingo they get to start filling the pockets they freely admit are empty.

Pat Brown
http://www.pabrown.ca
Coming in July 2006, L.A. Heat, the first Chris Bellamere/David Eric Laine mystery.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I've seen posts online that indicate Janet Kay & Associates has indeed set up a new website seeking manuscripts from writers. I viewed the website myself and emailed my surprise and concern to the district attorney. He already knew about it. The website is still live and still accepting emails. I wonder why the district attorney hasn't had the website shut down entirely? Concerned readers are encouraged to email him and ask him what the delay is on this. (They should also ask why Janet Kay & Associates are being allowed to serve no jail time when it appears they've already been caught attempting to solicit manuscripts yet again!). You can find his email address in the article at the link above. "

DaveKuzminski
10-23-2005, 04:48 AM
The problem here is that we don't know the URL of the alleged new website operated by Janet and George. We can't warn other writers if we don't know what to warn them to avoid.

Remember, we're almost always two steps behind the scams because writers are too often too timid to include that kind of information that makes research and warnings possible. Website addresses are one of those things we need. Mailing addresses are useful. Names are always useful.

Jaws
10-23-2005, 05:15 PM
I'm willing to bet that Angela is referring to Desert Rose, which was not the Titsworths' business, but that of a former employee of theirs.

victoriastrauss
10-24-2005, 08:51 PM
Yes, Desert Rose would be my bet too.

- Victoria