Forbidden flirting ....

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NOTE: Danny Peavy, falsely accused of assault and attempted murder, is disguised as a woman and working as a lady's maid in Victorian London.

In Under His Skirts, Frederick, one of the footmen in the house where Danny is working, is quite taken with "her."

Plotwise, it adds a bit of comic relief, gives Danny another ball to juggle in his game of deception, and several chapters later, Fred will unwittingly provide Dan with the men's clothing he needs for an escape.

During the Victorian era, it was very common for romantic notions between male and female servants to be discouraged and often forbidden. Indeed, Fred's taking a risk because the lady of this particular house would not think twice about dismissing him without a character if he was caught wooing the ladies' maid.

How can he flirt with Danny without putting his job at risk? A carefully timed wink? Performing tasks that aren't his but which make Danny's life easier? Reading up on the language of flowers and leaving blossoms where Dan will find them? To add to the confusion, Jennie, the heroine who has not a clue as to Danny's true identity, loves the idea of a forbidden romance and tries to help Fred with his courting.

Any other suggestions on subtle flirting between Victorian servants?
 
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First...

make sure you know how big this Victorian house is and how many servants there are employed there.

Where are the servants quarters? Maids in the attics? Males in the rear kitchen area or maids in the front attic and males in the rear attics both accessed by separate stairways?

What sort of arrangement is made for their monthly or fortnightly day or half day off? Do they have daily prayers or/and enforced church on Sunday escorting the family?

Is there a Housekeeper and a Butler?

Fill me in on the size of the house, the staff and the class of the house owner and I will be better able to help you. What servants got up to depended so much on the size of the house and staff.

Edited to add:
Look at some of the lovely houses owned by the British National Trust or National Heritage.
www.nationaltrust.org.uk
www.englishheritage.org.uk
There are websites for each house and it will give you something to picture as you work.
 
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For my Victorian Novel I am currently reading Inside the Victorian Home. If you havent looked at it already buy a copy. Its excellent and highly detailed. If you have a copy totally disregard what I just said :)

I have to question... how did Danny became a lady's maid? That takes some skill considering what they had to do. It might be more believable if he were just a housemaid.
 

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the other thing to keep in mind if Danny's a female servant--how many men are in the house (upper house) who might want to sleep with her? that might be even more interesting...rejecting those advances without losing the job.

what happened to your wrist? when it's capable of writing again, let us know...
 

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Ouch!

Sorry about your wrist.

Just remember that servants in Victorian times had a very strong sense of their positions and would not demean themselves by doing work below their rank!

More later when you can tell me what you need.
 

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Update and info

That was not fun. Fractured wrist, torn thumb ligiment, broken ring and middle finger, surgery, @##!@ casts, now a splint and way too much physical therapy. All because of a Sunday walk in the woods, a rain shower, a slick, steep downhill slope on the Mountains to the Sea trail, and a serious lack of attention on my part. But I did learn that I can walk three miles in pain - albeit wailing like a banshee for most of the way.

Although writing ground to a halt, it allowed me to focus on research and the mechanics of the plot. It appears that I have a Victorian romantic comedy with overtones of farce on my hands. LOL with a bit of tears because I'm not sure there is a market for such a thing.

At any rate:

The household (at this point):

Father (bedridden) - valet, nurse/companion
Step mother - Lady's maid
Daughter (heroine) lady's maid (aka Danny in drag)
Stepmothers "aunt" - shares danny
Stepson (Nanny, tutor who does not reside in the household)
Butler
Housekeeper
Cook
2 maids (1 parlor, 1 upstairs)
1 Tweeny
2 footmen
Scullery girl
Laundress who comes in.

Major/minor supporting character servants are: valet, parlor maid, butler, housekeeper, stepmother's lady's maid and the tweeny. The rest are background

The house is new in the "suburbs" (recently got my lovely map of Victorian London and am now shopping for the exact location.) Father is a succesful textile manufacturer who invested wisely and has money.

In the story, the arrangement is as follows. Basement, 3 floors, attic. The female servants are housed in the attic. The male servants in the basement. Attic and basement are accessed by seperate stairs at the rear of the house. At this point - the kitchen is also in the basement w/dumbwaiter for transport of food to the dining room above on the ground floor. Ground floor - dining room, parlor, morning room, father's study, observatory. Stairs lead up to first floor: seperate bedrooms for father, stepmother, aunt, guest. Daughter, son, nanny. stepmom's ladies maid are on the second floor. I'm toying with the idea of one bathroom each on the first and second floor as they were coming into vogue in the 1880's but it's not essential to the plot.)

Feel free to critically comment and suggest.

As to romantic entablements amoung the staff, I'm treading carefully. (I just read a "historical paranormal" where the virginal governess has mad monkey sex with the master of the house in his library. IN 1855!!! Not that people didn't have sex - but it was impossible to suspend my disbelief.) At this point, the valet (yes, I know that Frederick used to be a footman, but being a valet allows him to be involved in a couple of plot points that a footman could not) has feelings for Danny while - I hope this isn't too far a stretch in station - the parlor maid who has dreams of being a housekeeper has feelings for the valet.

As for the servants' daily routine as a group: prayers every morning led by the butler since the father is bedridden, church every Sunday, meals are taken together, Danny has a half-day off every two weeks. In addition, he has the freedom of shopping trips for things his mistress needs and occassionally acts as a companion to her (afternoon museum visits, shopping, etc.) Also, he often goes with her to social events where he sits with other ladies maids in case there is a need for hem repair/spot removal/hair fixing. Several times, the valet arranges his half-day to coincide with Dan's. (I'm not certain this last one could happen, but I hope it's believable.) This, of course, annoys Danny no end as he uses these half days to meet with his actor friends who are playing at detecting in order to clear his name.

Gina Marie - Danny's occupation at the beginning of the book is that of a theatrical dresser, giving him a great many of the skills that a ladies maid would have.

Thanks for all of the book suggestions/links ... very useful.
 
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So make a market for it! This sounds like a really fun book. I'd love to read it some day.

You can find a market for it. A clever, well-written book will find a sale in the hands of the right agent.
 

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This is 180 degrees from my usual read, but based on everything you've typed here, I'd read it in a heartbeat.

Tere has to be an agent out there for this! And a market.

And mega-kudos to you for excellent research! An anal-retentive writer after my own heart! :D
 

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Lady's maid?

Danny would be her chaperone not companion. Please don't forget the servant master thing.
Certainly a lady's maid could be a real help and etc. to her mistress but never cross the servant master line. God had given them their positions on this earth and everyone knew it! If you want this to work with Danny as a friend let his mistress into the secret fairly early on!

It was usual for servants to have one half day a month, usually Sunday afternoon to visit their parents/family.

Any sign of romantic entanglement amongst the servants usually resulted in instant dismissal. Of course the parlour maid sighed over the handsome footman but they thought about their jobs and hid it. Indeed many servants were employed on the understanding that they could not have 'a follower'

Read Mrs Beeton's advice for young married women about their servants.

If your house is wealthy middle class you are missing a few servants, in the kitchen there would be with the cook, at least one kitchen maid, and a scullery maid and maybe an undercook.
Do you have a carriage with grooms, and coachman?
You'd have a specific nursery maid if there are babies or under fives.
2 if there are more than two young children.

The House is a little small if you are having a butler and housekeeper who must have their own separate rooms and quarters.
If you are thinking of servant's basement a la Gosforth Park then you'd better make the house as big. In London the basements were usually small . Mind you, you could make a point of having the rich man have a special house designed with mod cons for his servants because he is influenced by the Quakers, or Willberforce, or Salt of Saltair or the Port Sunlight man.

Have fun, it sounds promising.