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usay
03-25-2008, 12:01 AM
Hi,
Just want you to know that I have my first children's book published through PublishAmerica. I cannot agree with the negative things written about them. If anyone is interested, Neddy the Nutty Acorn is my book, which you will be hearing alot of soon.
Go to their web site and check my book out. I can now say I Am A Published Author.
USAY

BenPanced
03-25-2008, 12:05 AM
Well, if PA is offering what you're looking for, then the best of luck in your endevours.

Christine N.
03-25-2008, 12:21 AM
Where will I be hearing a lot about your book?

I'm asking because I really want to know, and to stimulate discussion. Nothing nefarious in the question or the asking. I want a completely honest answer, please.

Marie Pacha
03-25-2008, 12:31 AM
Congratulations.

Your 36 page book is selling for $19.95 on PA's web site, $17.95 on BarnesandNoble.com, and $19.95 on Amazon.com.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (312 pages) is selling for $8.99 at BarnesandNoble.com.

Beatrix Potter's Tale of Peter Rabbit, one of the most delightful children's stories ever written, with incredible illustrations (70 pages, hardcover) is selling for $6.99 on Barnesandnoble.com.

The genre of children's literature has some pretty high standards for success.

Christine N.
03-25-2008, 12:35 AM
That I will attest to. Children's lit is one of the toughest parts of the business, and there are a million picture books out there, vying for attention. It's also hard to make a living at, since most picture book writers only get half of the 10% royalty, splitting it with the illustrator.

Overall, you can't compare novels with picture books, because PB's are so much more expensive to produce.

However, Jane Yolen's "How do Dinosaurs Go to School", at 40 pages, is $16.99 regular price in hardcover.

Yours is 4 pages shorter, in paperback, and costs $3 more.

Jersey Chick
03-25-2008, 12:52 AM
Hi usay and :welcome:

I hope you aren't disappointed when all's said and done, but take a look around and see what AW ahs to offer - there's a ton of stuff and something for everyone. :)

Marian Perera
03-25-2008, 12:53 AM
Hi,
Just want you to know that I have my first children's book published through PublishAmerica. I cannot agree with the negative things written about them.

You're certainly free to agree or disagree. I've found, though, that many of the negative things are backed up by evidence.


Go to their web site and check my book out. I can now say I Am A Published Author.

The book came out in February 2008, which probably means you haven't collected your first royalty check yet. I hope you will still be satisfied with your PA experience when you do.

Bufty
03-25-2008, 01:23 AM
And if I - or anyone else - sent our manuscripts to PA we could all say I Am A Published Author, too.

But I don't intend to, because I see no reason why I should be principally dependant upon friends and family for sales, nor why I should buy my own books for re-sale. I would also prefer my publisher to market my book and make it available to as many folk as possible by having it displayed for sale on chain bookstore shelves and at a reasonable price.

That said, I do wish you well with your sales, and also with any further tales you may choose to publish, but for a serious fiction writer there are far better routes to go than Publish America.


Hi,
Just want you to know that I have my first children's book published through PublishAmerica. I cannot agree with the negative things written about them. If anyone is interested, Neddy the Nutty Acorn is my book, which you will be hearing alot of soon.
Go to their web site and check my book out. I can now say I Am A Published Author.
USAY

usay
03-25-2008, 03:57 AM
Thank you all for your replies. Yes, I do have my work cut out for me in making my book known but I believe that word of mouth will make or break it
In answer to the question of where will you hear about it, a friend of mine is taking my book to New York this summer. She may or may not be able to talk to the right people but regardless, I am having fun at the beginning of this journey.
I have no control over the cost of the book. But I do know that there is not another quite like mine and the subject.
Thanks again,
Happy writing!!!
Usay

James D. Macdonald
03-25-2008, 04:10 AM
Hi,
I cannot agree with the negative things written about them.

Please drop back by a year from now and let us know if your opinion has changed.

stormie
03-25-2008, 04:11 AM
Hi usay!

I looked at your profile, and you don't have any. But I didn't realize you've been here at AW since October. If I didn't welcome you then, I'm welcoming you now.

One word of advice (and keep this in mind when Publish America asks you to buy your books at the discounted rate for you to sell): Money flows toward the author, not away. Even very small publishers will send your books to bookstores without payment upfront.

Stick around! As you know, there's a great novel writing forum, and writing for children. Doesn't matter if you're published or not, or whom you're published by. They're great forums to lurk and post in. (I really like Learn to Write with Uncle Jim.)

DaveKuzminski
03-25-2008, 04:26 AM
In answer to the question of where will you hear about it, a friend of mine is taking my book to New York this summer. She may or may not be able to talk to the right people but regardless, I am having fun at the beginning of this journey.

Who would the right people be? Is she planning on talking to other publishers? Retail bookstore chains? Agents?

IceCreamEmpress
03-25-2008, 05:12 AM
Please drop back by a year from now and let us know if your opinion has changed.

Yes, please.

And between now and then, perhaps a look through this thread (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50483) might be of interest to you?
And then read this post (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1190095&postcount=6143) to see how the story turned out.

LloydBrown
03-25-2008, 05:24 AM
I can now say I Am A Published Author.

If you printed it up at your local Kinko's, you could say the same thing.

benbradley
03-25-2008, 05:28 AM
Who would the right people be? Is she planning on talking to other publishers? Retail bookstore chains? Agents?
And why wouldn't PA themselves already be the "Right People?" Don't other publishers as a matter of course have their new books put into bookstores?

And are the parts where the book says "PublishAmerica" blotted out? That could only help, with the reputation PublishAmerica has in the marketplace.

I've not had any personal experience with PublishAmerica, but I've sure read a lot about it in the year+ I've been on AW (and I've even dipped into the PA Message Board), and I'm wondering why you would go with a publisher that has such a conspiracy* against it among bookstores and libraries (I've browsed through and bought a lot of books and have yet to actually see a book published by PA that I can remember, though others tell me they have). I wish you the best with your book (seriously, virtually/lliterally everyone here on AW does, we're a really supportive community in that way), but with PA as your publisher aren't you fighting an uphill battle?

* Okay, maybe it's not really a consipiracy against PA, but due to their business practices it might as well be, right?:)

CatSlave
03-25-2008, 05:35 AM
Congratulations.

Check out the other forums here: Learn Writing with Uncle Jim is popular with both established and new writers, and there is a forum dedicated to writing books for children.

Enjoy.

DaveKuzminski
03-25-2008, 06:21 AM
And if there was a real conspiracy against PublishAmerica as some have claimed, don't you think they would have taken it to court by now and received millions of dollars in compensation from the alleged "evildoers"?

Khazarkhum
03-25-2008, 08:08 AM
Thank you all for your replies. Yes, I do have my work cut out for me in making my book known but I believe that word of mouth will make or break it
In answer to the question of where will you hear about it, a friend of mine is taking my book to New York this summer. She may or may not be able to talk to the right people but regardless, I am having fun at the beginning of this journey.
I have no control over the cost of the book. But I do know that there is not another quite like mine and the subject.
Thanks again,
Happy writing!!!
Usay

Sounds like your friend is heading for quite an adventure.

usay
03-25-2008, 08:43 AM
If you printed it up at your local Kinko's, you could say the same thing.

But that would cost me money. This way, it hasn't.

BenPanced
03-25-2008, 08:57 AM
Well, plenty of people on AW have had experience with PA. I'm sure they'll be available for any questions/concerns/complaints that might arise.

CatSlave
03-25-2008, 10:56 PM
But that would cost me money. This way, it hasn't.
Not yet, it hasn't. (Well, except for registering the copyright.)

But it will.

Remember that when you buy your OWN books from PA and then try to sell them wherever you try to sell them, it will cost you money.
That's what PA is very, very careful not to reveal to you.

Keep a careful record of your puchases and your sales, and then ask yourself if you "paid to be published."

And then ask yourself, "Why am I trying to sell my own books?
Isn't that the job of my publisher?"

Please let us know how you do.

DaveKuzminski
03-25-2008, 11:01 PM
But that would cost me money. This way, it hasn't.

Real publishers pay you, not the other way around. PA keeps comparing itself against vanity publishers, so they're doing a bait and switch when they do that. If they're going to compare themselves to anything, they should compare themselves to publishers like them. Oh...excuse me, they are already since PA is also a vanity publisher. Just that the payout to PA is hidden on the backside.

To repeat, real publishers do not charge you.

By the way, if you're not paying anything to PA, you might want to also look at how much you're making with PA. Even the worst books published with real commercial publishers make more for the author than the best book with PA.

stormie
03-25-2008, 11:22 PM
Usay,
PA will cost you money. You have to buy your books in order to sell them. That's not the way it should be.

Gillhoughly
03-26-2008, 12:44 AM
For tax purposes keep an accurate-to-the-penny record of all costs associated with your book.

This includes all copies you buy yourself and how much you make should you resell them.

Make sure you keep track of all sales--if any--that PA makes through its (limited) venues and cross check them against the numbers on your royalty statements. PA has a poor reputation when it comes to accounting.


But that would cost me money. This way, it hasn't.

As has been said, not yet it hasn't.

PA's costs just aren't up front. As I'm sure you'll have read many times in the PA threads here they make their money off writers buying their own books.

For what you're doing, Lulu.com would have been much, MUCH better!

And no, sadly, you are not yet in the published authors' club. We'd love to have you in, though!

You're technically "published", but anything placed with PA is not considered to be a professional credit in the wide world outside of PA's website.

Pro writers get paid upfront for their work. They get paid a LOT more than a dollar.

I hope you will take the high you're presently on and write another children's book--but place it with a real publishing house that will write you a nice multi-figure advance check! (Or at least with Lulu!)

As for your friend--he or she will have a better time of things by NOT mentioning PA in any business conversation.

It's an instant tip-off that there's been a rip-off.

BenPanced
03-26-2008, 01:16 AM
<snip!>
As for your friend--he or she will have a better time of things by NOT mentioning PA in any business conversation.
<snip!>
Unless they're bringing along a copy of the book itself. If the people they're talking to see it's a PA book, the conversation will end right there. With PA's reputation in publishing circles, it's not considered a legitimate publishing credit and won't have a chance.

IceCreamEmpress
03-26-2008, 01:26 AM
Someone at PublishAmerica sent Amazon.com the wrong age range for your book--it's listed as being for ages 9-12. I'd contact Amazon directly and have them fix it.

KikiteNeko
03-26-2008, 01:43 AM
First, I wish you good luck. I really do. I know how hard the publishing process can be and I would love to be wrong about PA. And I will always give praise where it's due. I've been known to say good things about agents I found helpful even if they rejected my manuscript.

But in my experience, PA is bad news. Three times in the last month I've gotten scam phone calls from them offering me a "thousand dollar online shopping spree." I can't wrap my head around it. Like so many things, publishers seldom call would-be authors. They are contacted by would-be authors (with rare exceptions, none of which involve a thousand dollar shopping spree).

They also don't pay you upfront. Like so many people here have said, you get paid to be published, not the other way around. You should get an advance payment, and you should get limited free copies of your book, and then a discount SHOULD YOU DECIDE to buy more, but you should never be asked to buy your own book. And you shouldn't be promoting it all by yourself. Think of the bestsellers that sell millions of copies; did those authors stand on a soapbox outside of bookstores, or did they have help from their agents and publishers? When's the last time YOU bought a book directly from an author?

Unfortunately, PA has a very poor record. If you were to seek publication elsewhere, I don't think a publication with PA counts as a "publishing history."

sassandgroove
03-26-2008, 01:47 AM
USAY, there are a lot of people who have dealt with PA themselves here, and authors who make a living writing. Listen to them. Good Luck.

Gravity
03-26-2008, 01:51 AM
Unfortunately, warnings like we're giving are usually a day late, and a dollar (you know the dollar I mean) short. About all we can do now is be here for her in year.

JimmyD1318
03-26-2008, 03:40 AM
USAY,

Welcomt to the Cooler, even though you have been her for a while it seems. We all wish you luck with your book. Please let us know how you are doing in a year's time with it. Good luck.

Glenda
03-26-2008, 05:00 AM
Usay, welcome to AW. I'm glad you have what you want now. However, be sure to keep AW in your favorites because when reality sets in, you will need us and we will be here for you. :)I can say this, because I was where you are now in 2005. And there are a lot of ex-PAers that are still trying to come to terms with their dream being trumpled all over. The negativity you read about PA is true. We have already lived it, hurt from it and morned from it. Just remember, when the times comes, you have people that will be here with open arms when you need it and a shoulder to cry on.

LloydBrown
03-27-2008, 04:26 AM
But that would cost me money. This way, it hasn't.

Um, I thought you just wanted to say you were published.

In any case, you did pay to register your copyright, so you're out $45 already. You could have spent that $45 on several copies of your book and kept your rights instead of giving them away for 7 years.


Yes, I do have my work cut out for me in making my book known but I believe that word of mouth will make or break it

Why do you believe that? What do you know that the other 20,000 PA authors don't know? They're out there on the streets pushing their books on whatever hot dog stand, imitation perfume-hocker and flea market vendor will take a copy at cost. They don't sell. What's so different about you and your book?

With 20,000 authors, where are the best-sellers? Statistically, a few of those books should be runaway successes. *Many* should be providing their author with a reasonable income in the 4-digit range--enough to keep writing if they can crank them out often enough. The only thing they have in common preventing them from selling a hundred thousand copies is their publisher.

On the other hand, 1,100 of their authors haven't sold a single copy. What's the common thread? Their publisher.


I have no control over the cost of the book.
With lulu.com, you do.


But I do know that there is not another quite like mine and the subject. That claim usually implies a lack of research on your part. Or that it might not be the selling point you think it is.

circlexranch
11-29-2008, 07:45 PM
I occasionally look through the threads for PA'ers who are happy with their arrangement. I wondered if anyone had heard anything from 'usay' in a while.

Her book is out there - 36 pages - ranging from $19.94 to $40.99 and the author has it posted on her local kiiji site. If you search the title on PA it doesn't come up. You have to search by author name.

cethklein
11-29-2008, 08:06 PM
I have no control over the cost of the book. But I do know that there is not another quite like mine and the subject.
Thanks again,
Happy writing!!!
Usay

Yes but how will you convince your readers of this? Its pretty hard to get anyone to throw down $20 on something they know nothing about.

You could have published with LuLu and sold the book for less than half of that. I'm sure your book is wonderful, but I wouldn't buy a $20 book on a whim and neither would most people.


But that would cost me money. This way, it hasn't.

But you see, it has. Bookstores won't stock your book. You'll have to buy copies to sell to other people, and at an inflated price. You're still paying PA to be published.

But I don't think there's anything any of us can say to you to change your mind. We've had literally hundreds of others just like you come here. We've learned not to try too hard to dissuade people. You'll just have to learn on your own what PA really is (and trust me, if you keep your eyes open, you WILL learn.) This forum is filled with people who were once just like you, who sang PA's praises. Now they see the light of day. I wish only the best for you. And as part of that wish, i hope you'll keep an open mind and see what PA is sooner rather than later. Your book will suffer under PA and that is always a shame.

It's now been nine months since you posted this toic. I really hope you'll come back and tell us what you think now.

Ol' Fashioned Girl
11-29-2008, 08:13 PM
Usay hasn't been back to AW since this thread was started back in March, folks. S/he hasn't even checked in without posting since then.

scarletpeaches
11-29-2008, 08:23 PM
Don't forget Sharla Tann.

Gravity
11-29-2008, 09:42 PM
Usay hasn't been back to AW since this thread was started back in March, folks. S/he hasn't even checked in without posting since then.

Humiliation will do that.

PVish
11-29-2008, 11:29 PM
Her book (published Feb. 2008) apparently didn't stay on Amazon.com long enough to get a ranking but Amazon lists it as available from resellers.

Since some of the other 2008 authors got their books listed on Amazon, I wonder why hers isn't there?

circlexranch
11-29-2008, 11:53 PM
Usay hasn't been back to AW since this thread was started back in March, folks. S/he hasn't even checked in without posting since then.

That is a shame. The New York trip must not have worked out well. Another PA victim because the book is actually quite cute. Priced right, it might have had a market.

I hope when the pride wears off that she comes back here with her eyes and ears open and ready to learn from both the former PA'ers and the fine group of folks we have here.

I emailed a PA'er with an invite to AW. We'll see if he takes me up on it. He has a YA series premise that is actually quite clever and could go somewhere.

gothicangel
12-01-2008, 06:50 PM
Coming in late here, but I agree that there is a conspiracy against PA - because they are a VANITY PUBLISHER!

Christine N.
12-01-2008, 07:13 PM
I was just thinking the same thing Circle said upstream - I STILL haven't heard about this book, despite the author's claim we would all be hearing about it soon. The only place I've even seen it or the title is right here.

So...I guess it didn't work out?

CaoPaux
12-01-2008, 08:29 PM
Coming in late here, but I agree that there is a conspiracy against PA - because they are a VANITY PUBLISHER!Just to be clear, we speak against them because they're dishonest about what they are. Warning against vanity for vanity's sake is a dead horse of a different color.

Captain Morgan
12-02-2008, 01:16 PM
...despite the author's claim we would all be hearing about it soon.

I've heard this sort of line before from PA writers. And the talk of being the next best seller has never been fulfilled. In fact, I haven't even seen the titles mentioned being sold on ebay.

Considering you can even purchase soiled underwear on ebay, that's rather a bad indication of your sales.

Cybernaught
12-03-2008, 04:20 AM
Coming in late here, but I agree that there is a conspiracy against PA - because they are a VANITY PUBLISHER!
Nobody would mind if PA were actually honest about being a vanity press. It's the deceit and the manipulation that impels us to speak out against them.

batgirl
12-05-2008, 08:18 PM
A huge advantage Lulu has - one I don't see mentioned that often - is that it's possible to read samples of a book on the website. Whereas the last time I looked at the PA new releases, none of the click-throughs worked, so I couldn't even get to a blurb or a bigger pic of the cover.
It's possible I'd buy a book online after sampling a few pages (I have). It's next to impossible that I'd buy a book online if my only information was a jpg of the cover and a blurb (especially a blurb that doesn't tell me what the story is).
-Barbara

Khazarkhum
12-06-2008, 07:59 AM
I've heard this sort of line before from PA writers. And the talk of being the next best seller has never been fulfilled. In fact, I haven't even seen the titles mentioned being sold on ebay.

Considering you can even purchase soiled underwear on ebay, that's rather a bad indication of your sales.

You have to pay to list on ebay. And you need a detailed description if you want your book to sell.

CatSlave
12-06-2008, 08:34 AM
Just a reminder, the best selling PA book EVER in the past ten years was for 5,200 copies, most which were purchased by the author.

JulieB
12-06-2008, 08:48 AM
You have to pay to list on ebay. And you need a detailed description if you want your book to sell.

I found a PA author selling movie rights on ebay. (I had a link but decided to remove it.)

This isn't the first time I've seen someone (PA, AuthorHouse, self-pubbed) trying to flog film rights to their book. I wish him luck, but this really isn't the way to sell film rights, as has been discussed here many times.

Sticking to the subject and the quote above:

There are also two copies of this particular book for sale from another seller, and there is absolutely no description.

Gillhoughly
12-06-2008, 10:04 AM
I feel so sorry for him.

He's suffered too much already.

overfiend
12-26-2008, 08:17 AM
Well I must be honest and tell you: you are too naive to hope for the best with PA.If you don't buy your books from them ,to the exception of a few friends or relatives if you are lucky,don't expect a store to stack up.Let's face it...i'd advise you to read your book all over again and you will notice the mistakes that the highschoolers at PA didn't pick out.Besdies being expensive, even if your book was well priced, support from PA is terrible meaning if you do get someone to buy it ,their POD is so effective that by the time they get it,a whole season could pass.Word of mouth..let's be honest again: books are not DVDs.People are most likely to buy 5000 times more DVD's of any content than to read a book from a newbie.Now imagine how many people watched the potter movie who didn't read the novel before and that was a super best seller that spent millions of PR and ads.Don't want to discourage you but although i wish you sincere luck, i'd advise you to not set your goals high for this one especially when your publisher is PA.It's like being a 40 year old something handicaped person trying to play Pro hockey in the NHL.

overfiend
12-26-2008, 08:21 AM
A huge advantage Lulu has - one I don't see mentioned that often - is that it's possible to read samples of a book on the website. Whereas the last time I looked at the PA new releases, none of the click-throughs worked, so I couldn't even get to a blurb or a bigger pic of the cover.
It's possible I'd buy a book online after sampling a few pages (I have). It's next to impossible that I'd buy a book online if my only information was a jpg of the cover and a blurb (especially a blurb that doesn't tell me what the story is).
-Barbara


Hey if Pa allowed you to peak at the content you might see how apt they are at editing so that would mean bad business for them.Once you bought the book, who cares what is inside right because you over paid for it.

Khazarkhum
12-28-2008, 03:21 AM
Has anyone, anywhere, heard from Usay?

Cyia
12-28-2008, 08:19 AM
Who's Usay?

CaoPaux
12-28-2008, 08:25 AM
The person who started this thread.

KikiteNeko
12-28-2008, 08:34 AM
Has anyone, anywhere, heard from Usay?

I saw the book being sold through a second party on Amazon for $49.99

That's more than a dollar a page, I think.

Cyia
12-28-2008, 08:35 AM
*sigh*


<--- is a moron, just ignore me.

CaoPaux
12-28-2008, 08:54 AM
'salright, we'll blame it on the eggnog. *hic*

M.R.J. Le Blanc
12-28-2008, 09:01 AM
I can't find anything about her online except for her book being resold on various sites. Poor girl, I hope she didn't become one of those PA victims who stopped writing.

Ulee_Lhea
01-08-2009, 03:14 PM
Someone at PublishAmerica sent Amazon.com the wrong age range for your book--it's listed as being for ages 9-12. I'd contact Amazon directly and have them fix it.

Looks like she didn't take your advice, ICE. It's still listed as ages 9-12 on Amazon.

Aww, this book looks soo cute! What a shame it didn't get the chance it deserved. I hope she keeps writing.