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JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 05:20 AM
Just figured I'd break this one out into its own topic so the main one doesn't get too bogged down. Feel free to post thoughts here.

This is what we're commenting on:
http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8486.htm
(Sorry, PA deleted the other thread.)

J.S. Blue
03-27-2005, 05:37 AM
...but it's all a bunch of garbage. Very bad tasting garbage.

Why give him any more press?
Very sad only in that he's pulled a "prank" of the worst type.

robeiae
03-27-2005, 05:40 AM
...but it's all a bunch of garbage. Very bad tasting garbage.

Why give him any more press?
Very sad only in that he's pulled a "prank" of the worst type.

It's not fun, it's boring. And since it is in bad taste (on the part of Shemp), it's been moved HERE.

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 05:56 AM
Joe, I agree with you, but people are going to want to talk about this. I recognize that, so I'd rather not give him more attention on the main thread where important issues are being discussed. That said, I'm copying Alphabeter's posts here:

Originally Posted by Sheryl Nantus
as far as online scams go - I was once a member of a community who had someone who was, to say the least, mentally ill.

they announced that they had cancer and went through months of online sympathy cards, etc.; detailing treatments and so forth. In the end her "sister" posted that she had passed away and a wave of mourning began...

... until someone who actually lived in the area discovered she was alive and well and darned healthy for a dead person..



I happened to be around for if not the first, than one of the more infamous of these hoaxes-Kaycee Nicole.

It started with a daughter pretending to be a sick girl with cancer online. When she got bored, the mother took over. KN had a whole "community" behind her. Some gave her small financial gifts (like website space), other gave her medical support. [No gift was big enough to prosecute for fraud alas. The FBI did look into it.] Pictures were posted, details revealed and a whole life concocted. Even George Clooney had called to offer some help.

At this point, a year had gone by and the mother got bored so she killed KN off. After some postings on KN's diary, people got suspicious about the circumstances. I won't post what they obviously did wrong but it was easy (in hindsight) to find out not only did KN not die as "reported" but that she had never existed.

The whole community split over the revelation of the hoax. A few of the more ardent ones went after the poor girl who unbeknowst to her had her pictures used as "Kaycee's".

What I'm afraid will happen is CBM will come back claiming someone pretending to be his wife emailed everyone while they were on Easter vacation. That killing him off was a way to get his password deleted and shut him up. And he'll tell everyone he was sorry it happened, but he's back and alive and isn't PA wonderful for deleting all the lies?

You can find out more about the KN story by searching for Kaycee Nicole on google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=Kaycee+Nicole&btnG=Search), but the easiest link is from the Museum of Hoaxes (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/kaycee.html).

I'm going to catch up and keep posting, so my apologies for the multiple posts and possible doubled information as I'm posting as I read (bad idea?).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reph
Sorry, Ed, I have to say this. Posting the real name of somebody who uses a pseudonym is a serious violation of Netiquette Ė I'd even call it Nethics Ė unless it's easily available already or the person said you could. People have many reasons for wanting privacy. I believe we ought to respect that.

This also goes for the posts that quoted that part of Ed's post.

It's also possible that this is a hoax and HB had nothing to do with it.



I would agree with you reph especially considering PA did it to one of the AW regulars who left their fold and was quoted in the AP (or was it the Washington Post?) article.

However, CBM has claimed repeatedly HBM is his real name even giving names for those initials. In order for us to determine if he is, in fact, dead, we need his real information. We can always edit it later when the true state of life is confirmed.

Should it prove to be a hoax, there is no way CBM didn't know about this, he is simply not that type of person to let someone else have all the "fun". He has already done this once and claimed it was another. I'll wager he thought no one would remember last year. I'll go further and say if PA is still around next year, he might even try it again!

Now that we have some real sleuths on the case, I'm going to concentrate on some real knee-capping of PA--the convention.
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MMo
03-27-2005, 06:03 AM
For what it's worth: The threads are rapidly disappearing on the other site. The only one on this topic remaining is the "Message from Mrs." one.

Mo

James D. Macdonald
03-27-2005, 06:06 AM
Threads are being deleted over on that other place.

These include Update on HB (http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8496.htm) and In memory.... (http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8491.htm)

MacAllister
03-27-2005, 06:08 AM
Wow, Jim, are both those pages already really gone???

edited to add: Yup--they really already are...

Birol
03-27-2005, 06:08 AM
Could be because the descriptions of an aneurysm weren't quite accurate...

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 06:14 AM
Now... why in the world would they leave the original one, but delete the others?

Birol
03-27-2005, 06:16 AM
Maybe they haven't gotten to it yet? Give them a few minutes.

Gravity
03-27-2005, 06:42 AM
Yep. Gone. Surrealism, thy name is PA...

MacAllister
03-27-2005, 06:44 AM
okay, you know what? There is something just plain CREEPY about the degree of reality-bending, censorship, and selective editing that happens over there.

It's like newspeak.

Moondancer
03-27-2005, 06:46 AM
Could be because the descriptions of an aneurysm weren't quite accurate...

Why would they get that right when they haven't gotten anything else right?


My personal take is that it was engineered by the evil triad as a smokescreen.

SRHowen
03-27-2005, 06:46 AM
okay, you know what? There is something just plain CREEPY about the degree of reality-bending, censorship, and selective editing that happens over there.

It's like newspeak.

Even more creepy is that those who suport PA just accept it.

SPOOKY

Shawn:Ssh:

Jeff
03-27-2005, 06:47 AM
Don't know if he is dead, but I have been involved when others, in other online communities tried to fake their own deaths to get out of things that their big mouths got them into.

*shrug*

In any case, I did not know the man. If it is true, condolences to the family.

In the interest of injecting a bit of levity I did find this, posted by some lady in a peignoir on the PA boards, which sort of sparked my interest...

QUOTE:
"I agree...I need proof! I just got home from delivering my kids and got Jean Maries message. I went immediately to the boards... I am balling my eyes out!..."


I... uhm... oh. OH!

Nevermind.

-Jeff

Edit: Spelling. I should know better than to post when I should be sleeping.

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 06:49 AM
...would attempt a stunt like this, it is just too bizarre for description. It's too easy nowadays to find out a coroner's number, or a courthouse number, or any of several other venues that could supply the information on whether someone is dead or not. PA will just knock off the threads and pretend that none of this ever occurred. For those that genuinely grieved for him, at least some of them are going to walk away from this with a very sour taste in their mouths...

Galoot
03-27-2005, 06:57 AM
"... I am balling my eyes out!..."
Yikes. She's doing it too vigorously.

Sheryl Nantus
03-27-2005, 06:57 AM
been gone for a few hours... so, what'd I miss?

is there any evidence that Humming Bird is still with us, or did he finally hit the big windshield?

SRHowen
03-27-2005, 07:03 AM
Perhaps he saw the light, and the only way out was to fake his own death--rather then look like the PA fool he has been for so long.

Shawn

Lisa Y
03-27-2005, 07:10 AM
Sheryl,

It's all a joke. HB Marcus, or the man who plays him, is alive.

I have no interest in this thing at all, yet I can't stop thinking about it. I want to know who missy31 is (the one who "spoke" with the "widow") and why Philwit posted the dang thing in the first place. And was the wife involved? The biggest mystery of all is, why do I need to know these things?

:Shrug:

I feel like I've been watching a soap all day. Days of our Pseudonyms or something like that.

Sher2
03-27-2005, 07:14 AM
Yikes. She's doing it too vigorously.
Really. She could go blind.;)

Sheryl Nantus
03-27-2005, 07:15 AM
I figured as much - so is there/has there been a post on the PA boards, or how did we verify this idiotic action?

sad to say, this indicated a VERY disturbed mind, to say the least...

think of it as a very silly soap opera - and hey, no sex!

well, not yet...

:D

Sher2
03-27-2005, 07:17 AM
Perhaps he saw the light, and the only way out was to fake his own death--rather then look like the PA fool he has been for so long.

If one needs to kill off a persona, I can understand pleading computer crash, loss of ISP, the house burned down, etc. But faking one's own death? That's really out there.

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 07:20 AM
...a smokescreen on behalf of the New Three Stooges, or Shemp's way of garnering attention for himself. If it's the latter, I think he has a pathological need for the spotlight. Let's face it, PA is going down the tubes, his books don't sell, so what would gain attention for him? The one time in all of our lives that we get lots of attention is right after we die. If you use a twisted sort of perverted logic, why not fake death, get all the accolades, and then return? Not the first time he has done this, you know.

I'll say this, too, I refuse to feel sympathy for him again, even if he did happen to die. That's not what I should say, but it is definitely how I feel. He has cried wolf one too many times for me.

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 07:22 AM
PA censors are working overtime. They deleted a new one, but so far, this one's still up:

http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8504.htm


I just read on the private board that this is indeed a hoax. Now, I don't know what to believe!

And is PA in on this hoax? I noticed that two of the other posts concerning HB have been pulled from the boards tonight.

Have aliens taken over control of people who would be involved in such a sick game? If not, some serious butt is going to be kicked in the future. H.B. should change his name to CAT, because he appears to have 9 lives, and he's using them up once a year.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.


I agree. I too believe this is a joke. A sick one at that.How can anyone play such a joke on people who loves them? This is beyond me. If this is a joke, I for one will have to look deep into my heart as to forgive him for putting all of us through this. There is enough grief with real deaths without pretending you are one of the deceased.

LindaP
Silent Killers

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 07:23 AM
Lisa, me too. FWIW, I don't think Missy or Mark have any idea... I think they're being used as pawns here, which is so nasty.

Sher2
03-27-2005, 07:35 AM
...a smokescreen on behalf of the New Three Stooges, or Shemp's way of garnering attention for himself. If it's the latter, I think he has a pathological need for the spotlight. Let's face it, PA is going down the tubes, his books don't sell, so what would gain attention for him? The one time in all of our lives that we get lots of attention is right after we die. If you use a twisted sort of perverted logic, why not fake death, get all the accolades, and then return? Not the first time he has done this, you know.

I'll say this, too, I refuse to feel sympathy for him again, even if he did happen to die. That's not what I should say, but it is definitely how I feel. He has cried wolf one too many times for me.
Is this the second or the third time he's "died?" I agree, "wolf" probably isn't going to work this time. If he tries to resurrect himself on the PA boards, I have a feeling those people will eat him alive.

T42
03-27-2005, 07:37 AM
I just hope he doesn't get even a "bigger dead head" thinking he has a post dedicated to him here. It's not for you "person we don't speak of" it's for all the ones that lurk that need to understand what a PAthetic person you are that needs some serious help! I feel more sorry for you alive then I do dead.

T42
03-27-2005, 07:39 AM
Is this the second or the third time he's "died?" I agree, "wolf" probably isn't going to work this time. If he tries to resurrect himself on the PA boards, I have a feeling those people will eat him alive.No they won't Sheri, like I said earlier, they like the DRAMA as much as he does. Gave them something to write about. Poems and dedications and all that stuff, you know?

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 07:43 AM
...if we leave this thread up forever Shemp gets exposure (negative though it is) that he doesn't deserve in the least. He deserves no mention at all anymore. I wonder if Jenna might consider leaving this thread up for a few days just to let us vent our spleens, and then eliminate the entire thing?

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 07:45 AM
Yep, I'd consider that.

Sher2
03-27-2005, 07:48 AM
No they won't Sheri, like I said earlier, they like the DRAMA as much as he does. Gave them something to write about. Poems and dedications and all that stuff, you know?
Oh, yeah, you're right, Mem. I forgot -- the damn place is RUN by drama queens. They're probably lapping it up and asking for seconds.

I second Ed's suggestion to snip the thread in a few days. Enough's enough.

T42
03-27-2005, 07:49 AM
Jenna, did you get your PM?

James D. Macdonald
03-27-2005, 07:50 AM
Interesting thing --

When this thing first got started --

When folks over there noticed that Cigarette Burning Man had apparently posted after his "death," those posts that were referenced vanished from the other threads.

That tells me that someone with the Delete button was in on the deal. A mod on the board was eliminating the evidence.

How weird is that?

T42
03-27-2005, 07:55 AM
Interesting thing --

When this thing first got started --

When folks over there noticed that Cigarette Burning Man had apparently posted after his "death," those posts that were referenced vanished from the other threads.

That tells me that someone with the Delete button was in on the deal. A mod on the board was eliminating the evidence.

How weird is that?Yeah I caught that earlier today and thought then that the townhouse was in on this...they are low aren't they? I wonder what it feels like to crawl that close to the ground?

robeiae
03-27-2005, 07:55 AM
That tells me that someone with the Delete button was in on the deal. A mod on the board was eliminating the evidence.

Maybe, or maybe the people in charge actually bought the whole thing and thought they were being respectful by deleting those posts. Now they are deleting everything to keep from looking like suckers.

Rob

Birol
03-27-2005, 08:01 AM
Interesting thing --

When this thing first got started --

When folks over there noticed that Cigarette Burning Man had apparently posted after his "death," those posts that were referenced vanished from the other threads.

That tells me that someone with the Delete button was in on the deal. A mod on the board was eliminating the evidence.

How weird is that?

In a post in one of the deleted threads, they tried to explain the discrepancy by stating they had mistyped the time as "AM" when in fact it was "PM". Additionally they hinted that HB was on his laptop while his aneurysm burst and continued to type away.

I've known two individuals who had aneurysms of the brain erupt/burst. Both had seizures when it occurred. And no, that was not the only inconsistency I noted in the aneurysm story, but it was a large one.

ZaZ
03-27-2005, 08:05 AM
I second the deletion of this thread and the sooner the better.

Patricia
03-27-2005, 08:07 AM
Interesting thing --

When this thing first got started --

When folks over there noticed that Cigarette Burning Man had apparently posted after his "death," those posts that were referenced vanished from the other threads.

That tells me that someone with the Delete button was in on the deal. A mod on the board was eliminating the evidence.

How weird is that?

I, along with others over the past year, have felt that he was one of the "info center bullies" because certain terminology used by him was used in an exact way by info on the private board and I called him out on it. He denied it of course with his usual joking around, but I still think that is a fact because of the threads that are allowed to stay and others removed.

eighter
03-27-2005, 08:08 AM
Well, I got duped once.

We did have a few clues in this case. Perhaps it was the symptoms not being right but then very few go out while humming The Theme for The Brady Bunch sitting at the computer and taking slugs at the staff at the same time, even in the mental wards.

I thought at first the cigs may not be the kind you buy at the grocery store but then I reconsidered. The royalty check was not that big.

I was about to suggest to Ed that we call the taxidermest since there was no funeral planned. I will never hear someone say they are stuffed after Easter dinner again without thinking of.......oh golly, gee willikers, I forgot his name.

A tornado was just posted for my area. I am going to get struck by lightning.
Please accept my apology for laughing when others were crying, but first I must say this: I told you so. I told you so. I told you so.

Molly

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 08:14 AM
...by PA. I think they are going to have some mighty unhappy people on their hands...

Birol
03-27-2005, 08:17 AM
...by PA. I think they are going to have some mighty unhappy people on their hands...

How sad. Really. I always hate for scammers to be upset. They are such nice, innocent, upright, forthright citizens.

Sher2
03-27-2005, 08:19 AM
A tornado was just posted for my area. I am going to get struck by lightning.
Please accept my apology for laughing when others were crying, but first I must say this: I told you so. I told you so. I told you so.

I know you did. I know you did. I know you did.;)

I wouldn't worry too much about the lightning. I can think of some way more likely targets than you. That bunch runs the risk every time they pop their heads out of their holes.:)

Galoot
03-27-2005, 08:20 AM
...I wonder if Jenna might consider leaving this thread up for a few days just to let us vent our spleens, and then eliminate the entire thing?It'd be a shame to see it disappear, frankly.

Let it be buried by a thousand other threads, sure, but it's an interesting account of a strange and sick personality. Let him be thrilled that someone finds him interesting if he likes. No harm in that. Car wrecks and crime scenes are interesting, too.

If nothing else, it's good source material for anyone needing to create a throwaway character of the "cult leader's disciple" variety. Sort of one step above the Sea Org girls who followed L. Ron around to light his cigarettes and hold his ashtray. Except this one wears a trench coat.

James D. Macdonald
03-27-2005, 08:20 AM
Delete some threads, ban some people, and it'll be as if it never happened. It's like 1984.

triceretops
03-27-2005, 08:20 AM
Yeah, I just noticed that everything went poof over a Pox land. I second the notion that what's his face was awarded an info center badge with the express purpose of cutting to his heart's content.

Tri

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 08:30 AM
Are they deleting the stuff on the private board, too?

Julian Black
03-27-2005, 08:31 AM
In a post in one of the deleted threads, they tried to explain the discrepancy by stating they had mistyped the time as "AM" when in fact it was "PM". Additionally they hinted that HB was on his laptop while his aneurysm burst and continued to type away.

I've known two individuals who had aneurysms of the brain erupt/burst. Both had seizures when it occurred. And no, that was not the only inconsistency I noted in the aneurysm story, but it was a large one.From the beginning, this whole prank has struck me as one of the most ineptly-written pieces of fiction I've ever read. Nothing adds up, nothing makes sense; logical inconsistencies and continuity errors abound. He didn't even bother to do the most basic research, such as how a patient suffering from a brain hemmorhage and aneurysm would act, how the hospital staff would respond to a patient exhibiting violent behavior, and the possibility of his posting to a message board and downloading music while in the ER. This has been a death worthy of the slush pile.

This, needless to say, does not speak well of HB's skills as a storyteller. I won't go into what it says about him as a human being for pulling this kind of stunt.

PA's deletion of the threads concerning his "death" is downright weird. Got something to hide, folks?

While I can understand the desire to delete this thread after a few days, I'd like to suggest leaving it up. It's a decidedly unflattering snapshot of PA and HB, but it seems to capture their respective essences. Being able to pull it out and show it to new folks in the future may not be such a bad thing.

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 08:39 AM
True, too. Maybe I'll just close this topic once this has played out, but not delete it.

Julian Black
03-27-2005, 08:48 AM
...by PA. I think they are going to have some mighty unhappy people on their hands...I would certainly hope so. One thing that has bothered me is that so many people came forward and posted condolences, believing he was dead. I'll give SOoTy and EZ credit for smelling a rat right away, but in doing so I don't want to denigrate those people who were genuinely upset at the news. Yanking their posts like that adds insult to injury.

T42
03-27-2005, 08:53 AM
True, too. Maybe I'll just close this topic once this has played out, but not delete it.Good idea but did anyone here for even one minute really think he was dead? It never even crossed my mind that he was really dead or I might have been nicer about it...had a little sympathy for him. I know I said if he's dead but that was just so people wouldn't think I was a mean, heartless old woman and give me a red square:wag:

Patricia
03-27-2005, 08:55 AM
Are they deleting the stuff on the private board, too?

Jenna, I just went and checked for you. They are still there. Someone announced that Joeshmoe had made the announcement over here and they are all scramling to find this place. He gave them a link. So we will probably have some new lurkers.

ZaZ
03-27-2005, 09:02 AM
I'd just like to say one thing to the new lurkers from the private PA board.
"I loathe you people."
Ahhh...just like old times, ain't it?

Patricia
03-27-2005, 09:07 AM
Good idea but did anyone here for even one minute really think he was dead?


Nope, I don't think I ever believed it. One reason, besides the obvious, was the fact that his main messenger helped him play a joke a few months back. In addition, the person who did the first initial post is capable of going along with the plot, because he fancies himself and Shemp to be soul brothers because they are both into music and comedy.

I really think that the joke backfired for some reason. And I believe we did not see the original poster after the fact, because he realizes what he started.

AND ... I believe that half of his "groupie" will forgive him if he concocts some story and shows up again. If that happens, it would surely prove that he and PA are bonded some way, because the hoax was certainly cause for being banned.

T42
03-27-2005, 09:23 AM
Did anyone notice that the one post "the person we don't speak of" posted last said something to the effect that pa should let them vent their feelings or something to that sort? Maybe "the person we don't speak of" got banned himself and this was his attempt to get the last word in!

Patricia
03-27-2005, 09:27 AM
Someone on the private boards said they have an email out to Joe--his best friend to verify the death or hoax. They said they will keep those there posted on the reply.

People are still struggling with what is true or not. Shame.

NancyMehl
03-27-2005, 09:32 AM
...if we leave this thread up forever Shemp gets exposure (negative though it is) that he doesn't deserve in the least. He deserves no mention at all anymore. I wonder if Jenna might consider leaving this thread up for a few days just to let us vent our spleens, and then eliminate the entire thing?

I agree.

Nancy

aka eraser
03-27-2005, 09:35 AM
If he resurrects tomorrow he'll only be a ghost of his former self. All his walking on water won't spare him the wrath of those on the board who grieved for him. The only creds he had were with those folks.

Interesting times for PA - in the Chinese curse sense of the word.

Julian Black
03-27-2005, 09:40 AM
Good idea but did anyone here for even one minute really think he was dead? No. My first thought--honestly--was, "What a stupid way to get attention."

The original post struck me as all wrong:

From Mrs. HB

At about 10.00 PM Thursday evening HB complained of burning
headaches in the top of his head. He went to the hospital and
hit a lot of people and complained for hours. After a few hours
he was gone. HB Marcus is dead. (In the spirit of HB) This is not
a test. He died at 12:38 AM from a brain aneurysm this morning
and is survived by myself, Jane, and a daughter, Montana. I
donít know of any other password things I can do so Iím
forwarding it in this manner to friends since he didnít leave a
password. Please stop calling the house if you can read this
message. Youíre just making this job harder but I appreciate
your thoughts.I could pick it apart and explain why I was suspicious, but at this point it's irrelevant, really. Most of the odd bits have already been pointed out.

This was before I found out he had "died" last year: http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/2999.htm. Clearly, he's not averse to pulling stunts like this for attention.

Then came the "clarification" from "Mrs. HB":

I apologize for the confusion, 12:38 would actually be PM and
not AM. I goofed on the AM/PM and that would mean he was
gone on Friday. Iím sorry if it meant false hopes and speculation
about this. HB really is gone. I know he was still active at the
computer until around 4 AM that night. He wouldnít accept
anything from doctors and even became violent at times. He
worked at his laptop while they drew blood and downloaded
music for his daughter, Montana. He thought he would shake it
off until the end. I realize he has played jokes in the past but
this time heís really dead. Iím sure the controversy would make
him laugh to the point of rolling on the floor. Nothing on this
planet made him happier than a bottle of whiskey and weird
people to watch. That was HB..

Even before that, the timing of it was just too good; I would have been skeptical on those grounds alone. Add on the wife's insistence (on a thread that has since been deleted) that there would be no funeral and that people shouldn't send cards or flowers, and I just nodded to myself. Uh-huh. Riiight.

sgtsdaughter
03-27-2005, 09:54 AM
just my two cents . . . didn't he pull a hoax like this last year this time--i think that he claimed it was an april fool's prank. as for what cbm has to gain, i'm clueless with the rest of you. and all of the links are down--mighty fast removing on their end.

Patricia
03-27-2005, 09:55 AM
I came back to report that the person who told the people on the private boards that she was contacting his best friend came back and blamblasted shemp big time and is very angry.

Out of respect for others I will only report things from the private boards when it concerns things like this. I care for some of the people that are still hooked by PA and don't want to violate their trust in any way. That would not give me any crediblity with them if they ever gave me an opportunity to lead them here.


Goodnight again!

T42
03-27-2005, 10:02 AM
Ha, I had to take one last look! Pa forgot to take one of his post down but then why would they want to take this one down?

Pretty spunky talk for a dying man....

HB Marcus

3/25/2005
05:23:33

Message:
That's how they work. It's like 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' with the bashers. They monitor this board all the time in hope they can steal another soul. All you have to do to join is complain once. And be willing to hang out with people who will never be published again due to their actions with their present publisher.

But you won't be 'cool' unless you do.


-Those poor desperate idiots.

NicoleJLeBoeuf
03-27-2005, 10:04 AM
http://www.littlebull.com/20050326vortex.png (http://comicollage.keenspace.com/d/20050326.html)

(Via Comicollage (http://comicollage.keenspace.com/d/20050326.html). I do Saturdays, except for when I don't. I did something along these lines (http://comicollage.keenspace.com/d/20030419.html) for Easter weekend in 2003, too. I wasn't originally gonna do it again, but given all the Shempish hoopla, it was Just Too Tempting. Now, I suppose, it's tradition.)

Galoot
03-27-2005, 10:04 AM
Darn.

Oh well. At least the entire thread has been archived (http://files.bighosting.net/we13497.txt) for future generations. (Names removed out of decency.)

T42
03-27-2005, 10:04 AM
:idea: Sounds to me like he's the desperate idiot!

T42
03-27-2005, 10:16 AM
I just feel sorry for the pa authors who aren't Drama Queens because "the one we don't speak of" not only looks like a fool but made them look like a fool too for falling for his crap...it's probably a good thing that pa took it all down so that they don't have to cower into the thread in shame. I would be embarraced for not seeing the forest through the trees...especially when it's all there in black and white....

T42
03-27-2005, 10:20 AM
The saddest part is that this publishing company that they have so much respect for was a part of it and let it go on as long as it did! Pa should have put a stop to it right away so that people didn't put themselves in the position of complete humiliation.

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 10:38 AM
Thanks, Ann! Believe me, I wouldn't ask you to post stuff from the private boards here. I just wanted to know if PA is deleting everything, or if people are allowed to talk about this privately. I'm glad to know they are. This whole thing was cruel to them, and they have my sympathy. :Hug2:to the PAers who grieved today.

sgtsdaughter
03-27-2005, 10:44 AM
slightly off here . . .but if you look at the index to the PA boards, they are discussing a scam from poetry.com. so these folks have the ability to spot a scam, but they are unwilling to admit that they have been pulled into one. and several authors admit that they knew about the bad press with PA before publishing . . . but an unnamed author contacted them to sing PA's praises. hummmm. gotta wonder, could that unnamed author be the unspeakable one?

just sheer curosity here. hope no one takes offense.

Fractured_Chaos
03-27-2005, 12:00 PM
Yikes. She's doing it too vigorously.


Bad, Galoot! Bad! :whip:





:roll:

Fractured_Chaos
03-27-2005, 12:06 PM
True, too. Maybe I'll just close this topic once this has played out, but not delete it.

Might be the best idea, Jenna. Otherwise, you might risk being accused of doing what the PA gang does (and we all know that you aren't).

Just a possibility to consider.

Savannah Blue
03-27-2005, 04:09 PM
This whole thing is just sad, sad, sad.

It's Easter, for Pete's sake. A time of joy for Christians, which a lot of the people on the PA boards claim to be, and their joy was taken away from them.

One lady, a sweet person who tries very hard to make every one of her posts positive, had a wedding to attend yesterday. She went on to say she couldn't even enjoy the wedding for her grief over the other family and the sorrow they must have been feeling. That's wrong on so many levels.

I hope the people who set up this scam accomplished what they set out to do and I hope it was worth it to them. It's bad enough PublishAmerica has scammed their supporters...now they are being further scammed by those they have been conditioned to trust and respect.

Sad, sad, sad. :(

MacAllister
03-27-2005, 04:21 PM
So many of the people I see posting over there seem like good-natured, kind, and earnest folks, who really like to write, and really love their books.

In this, they are no different than us. And that's the only horse I have in this race.

This hoax was a loathsome thing to do to them. Even if the PA-board peeps find it in their hearts to forgive the toad for what he's done to them, I never shall.

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 04:48 PM
...why I called the funeral homes up in Chardon, and to post the answer.

I called them because, quite frankly, I wanted something definitive to show, beyond doubt, that Shemp was involved in yet another scam death (Shemp = Scams should be our new law of relativity here). Anyway, I felt on the front end that the whole thing stunk to high heaven, but I wanted something that would prove to all those who "believe" in him, beyond doubt, that this whole thing was a set-up. I had already gotten the coroner's number and was going to call him Monday to confirm what we already suspected (his office was closed for the holiday weekend).

And for those of you who thought Shemp might not be in on this? One simple post from him yesterday could have stopped this whole thing. That didn't happen - wonder why?

I am now returning from sleuthing to being a very simple, greying Georgia country boy. I hope all the PAers who read this realize what a loser and sicko you have over there....

Gravity
03-27-2005, 05:30 PM
I'll add my two cents, and then drop it. Knowing of the slavish devotion the CBM has (had) on the PA boards, when he finally returns to said boards on clouds of glory (he did deign to pull this on Easter weekend, after all), I believe half the folks there will pillory him, while the other half will welcome him back into the fold with loud huzzahs, their joy unfettered. Thus parity (if not sanity) will once again be found in the Mighty Land of Poz.

The thing the CBM doesn't yet realize, however, is what this sick stunt has cost him: that being any chance, however slim, he might have once had with a real publisher, after PA folds, has vanished. When that happens, I trust the yuks he had and the pain he caused will have been worth it.

Christine N.
03-27-2005, 05:43 PM
I can't believe that they pulled the original "announcement" thread. That's just priceless. I mean, why would PA delete the thread dedicated to their biggest supporter? I know the thread was getting a little crazy... Missy had a fit when people started questioning the story, but they have the power to delete individual posts, so why the whole thread?


That, if nothing else, should be the biggest clue. Unless Our Friend Shemp got on PA's bad side and they banned him for some reason, so he had to "die" so as to save face with his loyal followers?

Boy, is that woman who skipped the wedding going to be upset when she finds out she stayed home for nothing! I would be. It will definately be interseting to see what happens in the next couple of days.

J.S. Blue
03-27-2005, 06:09 PM
"HB" is alive and unwell, and loving every minute of this I assure you.
It was not a hoax by someone else, but by himself.

I feel bad for the people who have to live with him.

Once again, just so he can't say "Duh gee willickers people it wasn't me, but the evil plan of the helicopter people who are out to smear my good name."
His name is mud.

I'm going to resume writing the book that was supposed to be written with him, and this time it will be FUNNY!!!!!!!

Joe

Alphabeter
03-27-2005, 06:15 PM
All three posts I was monitoring are gone. They are clearly embarrassed.
I wonder if CBM's password was deleted too? :Shrug:


Hey if I write a book about this do you think PA would accept it? :ROFL:

J.S. Blue
03-27-2005, 06:21 PM
All three posts I was monitoring are gone. They are clearly embarrassed.
I wonder if CBM's password was deleted too? :Shrug:


Hey if I write a book about this do you think PA would accept it? :ROFL:

THAT'S FUNNY!

Hey I know, How 'bout I write "The Unauthorized Biography of HB Marcus"?:faint:

Sher2
03-27-2005, 06:27 PM
I can't believe that they pulled the original "announcement" thread. That's just priceless. I mean, why would PA delete the thread dedicated to their biggest supporter? I know the thread was getting a little crazy... Missy had a fit when people started questioning the story, but they have the power to delete individual posts, so why the whole thread?

So, is anyone being permitted to comment on the thread being pulled? I know I could go and look for myself, but some stuff you just don't want to see. I mean, I've already had my stomach turned once this morning. :Ssh:

Sheryl Nantus
03-27-2005, 07:17 PM
it's still a cruel, cruel thing to do to ANYONE.

I've seen this type of hoax in different communities, and it all destroys people who are sensitive and who are just plain good folks. There's no reason to do this other than a sick mentality that demands attention. Even if he reappears and bleats that it was "all a joke" and part of a huge scheme to either out some bashers or to push his new book, lives have been changed - and not necessarily in a good way.

I hesitate to say this, but I suspect PA wasn't in on this so much as they found themselves the unwilling assistant to HummingBarf's hoax - when they discovered (somehow) that it wasn't true they did what they always do to hide the evidence - they started deleting threads left and right. If they had been notified or been part of this scheme the threads would still be up.

As it stands, PA may have actually done the right thing in a vain attempt to shut down HummingBarf's mentally ill game. Sure, it's their usual way of dealing with things, but at least it's slowed down the emotional rollercoaster that the PA authors have been going through. How many of those posters don't have access to the private boards and are still working under the delusion of the death?

Having said all that, I'll assume that we've gotten more confirmation that I've seen listed here and put my faith in those unseen posts that HummingBarf is still alive and well and ready for a grand return - but I doubt he'll find what he expects. If nothing else this illustrates his lack of tact, his lack of connection with the real world, and his lack of emotional maturity.

And if he is still reading this - you still owe me for that double dare on comparing royalty checks, you coward. And I'm slapping that comment back on my sig.

Off to munch on sugar free Easter treats...

akaa1a
03-27-2005, 07:19 PM
Geez...lumpin' HB and Easter? Makes me ill!

Looks like there's a "I didn't know...I just posted what I was told to" stashed in there too!
http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8507.htm


Message:

In view of the erupted HB controversy, I wish to state
categorically, that in my posts related to HB I acted merely as a
messenger at Mrs. H.B.Marcus' request, relaying messages and
statements verbatim as sent to me by her.

I responded to that request as a friend of the HB family, offering
no personal comments, statements, or opinions of my own
whatsoever.

The only personal comment that I feel appropriate to make now
is that I intelligently judged the entire event to NOT be a hoax,
or a stunt, but one of very, very, serious and traumatic nature
and consequence for the HB family. Whatever the specifics of the
event were, of which I have no direct knowledge or insight, I still
stand by that impression at this time. Whatever this was, it was
not a joke! Your prayers were/are not wasted.

Sassenach
03-27-2005, 08:19 PM
HB: nasty and clearly unbalanced. To take advantage of those poor folks on the PA board is unconscionable.

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 08:34 PM
...we find these tender morsels:


Remember that childhood story......

Jacki cried "wolf" one too many times-
The result was that no one ever listened to him again.....never believed him...and certainly lost all respect for him
He is alive. This has all been a joke and he has had alot of help with it. I for one will never forgive either of them. This joke has hurt so many people. And why? To satisfy an ego? If he wanted off the boards all he had to do was say "I'm gone." But to fake a death when so many loved ones are really dying is an insult. He isn't sick. He's heartless. And for the ones who helped him they are Pathetic and as heartless as he is.
Alive, alive, alive!!! Disgusting, underhanded and downright COWARDLY. Those who helped perpetrate this hoax are as low down as a yellow, lily livered piece of (****). What goes around comes around and it won't be pie in the sky. What more have we been duped about...answer this? I've had it up to my eyeballs!
As for HB, well, PA wouldn't have pulled the thread if it was true. They did, so it isn't. He's alive and, I hope, banned from here.
Talk about a cry for the help!

Obviously the guy has some deep seeded emotional issues.Somehow, I don't think this is the typical springtime day over in the Great and Mighty Land. However, from all this has come a simple phrase that says it all:


"Shemp = Scams"

Christine N.
03-27-2005, 08:43 PM
I totally think that something happened to Shemp... not physically, but either he woke up about PA and was too embarrassed to fess up, or he called up PA about it and got banned, or something similar. Perhaps PA actually rejected one of his books???


All speculation, for sure, but it was a really cruel and heartless way to bow out. Those poor people. Our jabs at PA are never to hurt the authors, but that's exactly what HE did.
So who's worse?

Sheryl Nantus
03-27-2005, 08:47 PM
exactly.

and THIS is one of PublishAmerica's brightest and best authors?

give me a break.

at least the farce didn't go too long... long enough to break a lot of hearts, but not long enough for more people to get caught up in the hoax.

HummingBarf - you're going to have a lot of bad karma to work off with this one...

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 08:50 PM
....Shemp decided it getting was too hot inside the PA oven, maybe he knows what's coming down the road for them, and therefore he decided to get out while the gettin' is good. And considering his pathological need for attention, he stages his death and leaves the Great and Mighty Land of Poz forever...

Hey, it's not logical behavior, but remember who we're dealing with here...


"Shemp = Scams"

Literary Lola
03-27-2005, 09:16 PM
Hey I know, How 'bout I write "The Unauthorized Biography of HB Marcus"?:faint:
Well, you could, but it wouldn't sell because no one cares about the butt end of a donkey. I can see the opening chapter:

One dark and depressing afternoon, a rock moved. The movement continued until it burped out a creature of such pathetic proportions that the forest animals ran in fear. It was as if they could forsee what a sorry sack of skin this thing would become, spreading misery everywhere his unfocused eyes scanned...

Gee, Lola, you have issues or something? LOL.

DaveKuzminski
03-27-2005, 09:18 PM
If he's not trying to break free from PA, my guess is that he'll claim he had to die in order to maintain an Easter tradition he started the year before. That will probably suffice with the populace on their forum.

I recommend that Jenna lock this thread after a week. Then if another death occurs next year, it can be reopened and continued.

book_maven
03-27-2005, 09:20 PM
I still believe what I posted earlier: Shemp made a fatal mistake with this one. Some of the friends he had will laugh along with him if he comes back, but many more have been deeply wounded. Some of them have suffered real losses in their own lives which makes them particularly vulnerable to being hurt by this awfulness.

I also think that Mark and Missy are in deep doodoo as well. Whether they were part of the hoax or roped in is uncertain, but their reputations will suffer damage, probably permanent damage.

The reasons for this hoax could be any of those stated above. It occurred to me early one to wonder if the handwriting on the wall--the IRS investigation, the ongoing media attention and more--was forcing Shemp to realize that his printer's days as well as his were numbered. It's also possible that his arrogance reached the point where he felt he could do no wrong, that he was so secure, so "loved," so honored that he could taunt even those who looked up to him and have everyone come out laughing. However, he forgot the simple rule that losing one's perspective is frequently one's downfall as has been demonstrated again and again by those in public life.

My sympathy for those who have had their emotions abused is enormous. Things are really going badly for them, and their pain comes across even in the harshest, angriest denials. How truly terrible this entire situation is!

JennaGlatzer
03-27-2005, 09:34 PM
I'm sick of one lie:

JR, you asked what else you're being deceived about. I'll tell you (in addition to the obvious, which I think you already know)-- Marti is deceiving everyone right now.


I just spent half a hour reading the other boards just to see what they are saying and, naturally, they are loving our misery. Why anyone would want to spend all their time with such negative people is beyond me.

Now, you tell me: How many people do you see here "loving" your misery?

That is NONSENSE! NONE OF US are happy that PAers were suffering needlessly! I'm so sick of this. I hope most PAers will have the mind to read for themselves. We are NOT the evil Amazon/guestbook slammers, we don't hate PA authors, and we have complete sympathy for the people who were taken in by this cruel nonsense.

Sheryl Nantus
03-27-2005, 09:52 PM
the "cry wolf" thread is now gone, of course.

it makes one wonder about why the PublishAmerica thugs are being so efficient so suddenly.

is it to hide their complicity in the HummingBarf's hoax, or just trying to keep the knowledge from spreading...

if HummingBarf returns to the boards it'll be proof that PA was in on the hoax and he's just jerking everyone around at their behest.

if not, I do hope he's got his abestos-undies on. Going to be a long dark night in Heck for him.

he might want change his address, phone number and email as well - I suspect the phone calls and messages are going to be less than flattening.

mdin
03-27-2005, 09:56 PM
I'm curious what's going on on the private board. One of the posts that was just deleted from the public board referenced InfoCenter's response on the private one. I'd love to hear what they have to say about all this. I'm certain in such times of strife, their reponse is balanced, thoughtful, and designed to assuage the fears of all their beloved authors.

Sparhawk
03-27-2005, 10:11 PM
The PA authors are not happy about teh Prank. PA's Infocenter position is as follows We are Sergeant Schulz.. We Know nothing we can confirm nothing. IT is the weekend, our offices are closed, get on with your life.


My reply was..

"If you're closed.. How can you be posting this ??? If your'e killing threads obviously somebody is working late." HMMMMM.

Then I was nice because maybe they got their butts torpedoed too and wishes a Happy Easter to all.. even the PA infocenter,

Hey it's a religious holiday afterall.

Some Authros do suspect that PA was a willing partner in all of this. I think PA needs to make some kind of formal statement. Marcus was their Schill/ lackey... paid or not and they encouraged it and condoned it. I don't but the ingorance defense, but I can't disproove it either. Well, back to the kitchen, dinner is calling.

Sparhawk
03-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Sorry my typing is so sloppy. My daughter is sitting on my lap and making it hard to type and edit.

lindylou45
03-27-2005, 10:25 PM
I am balling my eyes out!..."


I... uhm... oh. OH!

Nevermind.

-Jeff

Edit: Spelling. I should know better than to post when I should be sleeping.


Oh my! :scared:

Gravity
03-27-2005, 10:26 PM
But how in the Sam Hill did the CBM con both his wife and his daughter into aiding and abetting this farce? That's what got me scratching my noggin...this whole stunt is incredibly mean, terribly sad, and unutterably bizarre.

But then, if I'm recalling my WWII history correctly, things got a bit weird in Aldolph's bunker toward the end, too.

Surrealism, thy name is PA

John

lindylou45
03-27-2005, 10:36 PM
That tells me that someone with the Delete button was in on the deal. A mod on the board was eliminating the evidence.

How weird is that?

The New Three Stooges were probably trying to see if it worked so they could try it if CBM succeeded. What better way to get out of trouble with the IRS?

MacAllister
03-27-2005, 10:40 PM
But how in the Sam Hill did the CBM con both his wife and his daughter into aiding and abetting this farce? That's what got me scratching my noggin

He didn't have to. Just needed a pseud to pretend he was someone who had directly contacted wife and daughter--or else a conspirator.

T42
03-27-2005, 10:51 PM
But how in the Sam Hill did the CBM con both his wife and his daughter into aiding and abetting this farce? That's what got me scratching my noggin...this whole stunt is incredibly mean, terribly sad, and unutterably bizarre.

But then, if I'm recalling my WWII history correctly, things got a bit weird in Aldolph's bunker toward the end, too.

Surrealism, thy name is PA

JohnGravity in my life experiences I have realized that if your a drunk, you hang around with drunks, if your sick, you hang around with people that are sick. If your a loser, you hang around with losers. Sad as it is....his wife and child hang around with him. The wife is obviously choosing to hang with the wrong person and the child obviously has no choice. If I were the child protection agency, I would make sure that she had a choice. Anyone who would pull a stunt like this and involve your child needs some serious mental health help. He can not defend his actions in this because their is no defense or excuse!

Canada James
03-27-2005, 10:53 PM
I think HB will claim he did this as a way of testing "the bashers" to see how we'd react to such a hoax. He'll spin it to make himself look like a hero of some sort, fighting the good fight, and all the people at PA will nod and accept his story as fact.

Or, he'll just wait six months for an entirely new crop of authors to be posing on the PA boards and start from scratch.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's posting here, right now, under a different name as one of the locals. (In fact, I have my suspicion of who he is.)

C. James

T42
03-27-2005, 10:57 PM
I think HB will claim he did this as a way of testing "the bashers" to see how we'd react to such a hoax. He'll spin it to make himself look like a hero of some sort, fighting the good fight, and all the people at PA will nod and accept his story as fact.

Or, he'll just wait six months for an entirely new crop of authors to be posing on the PA boards and start from scratch.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's posting here, right now, under a different name as one of the locals. (In fact, I have my suspicion of who he is.)

C. JamesI think your absolutely right about all of this and I hope that the Pa authors will realize that this is not a "hero situation" It's a sick person in filtering them with his sickness. Most of all, I think you are right about his presence over here...I'm sure I have done a few things though to let him know that I am not fooled, right "person that we not speak of"?

reph
03-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Message: . . .
The only personal comment that I feel appropriate to make now
is that I intelligently judged the entire event to NOT be a hoax,
or a stunt, . . .
Intelligently? "Uncritically" is more like it. The announcement from the "widow" had more plot holes than a thousand-year-old cemetery.

Sheryl Nantus
03-27-2005, 11:16 PM
Intelligently? "Uncritically" is more like it. The announcement from the "widow" had more plot holes than a thousand-year-old cemetery.

ah, but there's the rub - how ironic is it that he couldn't even plot his own death?

I mean, sheesh... at least do the footwork to supply a few of the basic answers.

HuffingBarf - I'm still calling you out as a coward - even more so now that you've pulled this stunt. Your legacy for your wife and children ain't going to be much more than a humiliating diatribe of paltry royalty checks and angry PA authors.

how sad and pathetic that is.

James D. Macdonald
03-27-2005, 11:21 PM
Can someone confirm or deny that InfoCenter's response to the hurt and upset people on the private board was to tell them to "get a life"?

Sher2
03-27-2005, 11:23 PM
Can someone confirm or deny that InfoCenter's response to the hurt and upset people on the private board was to tell them to "get a life"?
The exact wording was, "Now go have a life, everyone."

pasoroblan2003
03-27-2005, 11:24 PM
Certainly wouldn't surprise me after Infocenter called us zoo animals on the private board.

Ed Williams
03-27-2005, 11:32 PM
The exact wording was, "Now go have a life, everyone."...a couple of other excellent points have been made here that are worth noting:

1. Canada James, not only do I think you're right, but I think that what happens now to Shemp on the PA messageboards will be very revealing. A legitimate enterprise would toss someone for pulling such a blatant, sick scam. If Shemp comes back to the PA boards and is allowed to continue posting, it says to me that PA was in on this thing with him the entire time.

2. I also agree with you that HB is here as well, and have thought that for the past several weeks. I think he's already resurrected himself, only the PA faithful don't realize it yet...


"Shemp = Scams"



He has addded tons of fun but pretending you are dead and having lots of people jumping through hoops and even trying to come to the funeral and spending time grieving and worrying about the family is NOT fun or funny...it means the person needs help...forgive? yes, we must forgive others to get beyond our own bitterness...but this is not funny.PERIODLynn, you're a thousand percent right, and should you ever choose, the door over here is wide open for you...

MacAllister
03-27-2005, 11:37 PM
I also agree with you that HB is here as well, and have thought that for the past several weeks. The sad thing is, he's been here before, and met with an extremely courteous and civil response--all things considered.

After something like this, though...Better he never "come out" because I can't imagine the reception will be as good-natured.

Good god, if you want to leave a message board just click the friggin' window shut. I don't think for a minute he's leaving the PA boards, however. I think it's the same tired practical joke he's pulled (and gotten away with) before.
That's just pathetic.

Patricia
03-27-2005, 11:51 PM
Thanks, Ann! Believe me, I wouldn't ask you to post stuff from the private boards here.

Goodmorning/Afternoon everyone and Happy Easter!
Jenna, I know that and all that I do here I do for the good of the cause.

I posted earlier that I respected the privacy of the authors on the private boards, and I do; but I do not respect PA or the crude way of Info Center. So I feel that for those of you here and any xPaers and lurkers who do not have access to the private boards, I am justified in posting Info Centers answer to the situation.

The exact quote is as follows:

What the heck are you guys talking about, "PA knew this", "PA was in on this", "PA this and that", it's a weekend for goodness sake, the office is closed, and we know as much about anything as anyone else. If the guy died, it's horrible. If he didn't, it's good that we removed all debate from the public board.
Now go have a life, everyone.

end of quote.

Marti, if you are reading this; you know darn well your motivation and animosity against P&E and AW are personal. You fancy yourself an investigative author -- well investigate this! You have been scammed big time and you know it! Your personal feelings about certain people associated with P&E and AW are not helping your fellow authors find out the truth about PA and the scam job they did on all of us and will do to future authors if not stopped.

To the rest of you PA authors lurking, and who follow the public boards, you know darn well that the original poster of the "message from the widow" is capable of doing a prank/hoax with HB. If you will just think back a few months, the second messenger, was duped into helping HB with another "joke." She willingly forgave him and she probably will this time along with some of his other followers. But this time, HB has humiliated and hurt too much. Nothing short of his actually death, will convince people to trust him again. I believe as others do, that he has seen the light and will show up here at AW under a new name or is already here. If I am wrong, then that will be my problem and no one elses.

Don't try to figure who I am guys, you wouldn't even come close. I know all of you from reading and keeping up on the boards and very rarely posting. I think the world of you all and I wish you would just wake up and smell the doo-doo that PA and the cheerleaders cram down your throats (to use one of PA's favorite phase), "each and everyday."

To my AW supporters and friends, yes, getting fighting mad!

Sher2
03-27-2005, 11:53 PM
2. I also agree with you that HB is here as well, and have thought that for the past several weeks. I think he's already resurrected himself, only the PA faithful don't realize it yet...

Quite probably so, which begs the question -- to what end?

jdkiggins
03-27-2005, 11:54 PM
The other PA thread went on forever. I've managed to keep up with some, skim through parts, and now move to another thread. This is my first post about PA.

I think the entire PA approach is relentlessly deceiving and underhanded. To add to its disgusting qualities, it now presents us with a hoax of death. I would hope that this stunt would cause its demise. This entire PA thing is deplorable, disgusting, disheartening, and distasteful. It makes me want to relocate so Iím not unmistakably associated with the company. :)
Joanne

Julian Black
03-28-2005, 12:00 AM
and THIS is one of PublishAmerica's brightest and best authors?

give me a break.Having read the excerpts from his books, I can say he's not the best of PA's authors. Having witnessed this idiotic prank, I can't say he's the brightest, either. He's simply been the loudest.

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 12:27 AM
...another quick thread about what's goin' on with Shemp - we find this posted by an ardent PA supporter:


Message:
They just banned me from the private a while ago.
I don't see why, it's private, no one can see it but us. So what if you voice your opinion there.
It's becoming a real communist situation.

Thread link, doubt it will last long: http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8513.htm


"Shemp = Scam"

Sher2
03-28-2005, 12:30 AM
...another quick thread about what's goin' on with Shemp - we find this posted by an ardent PA supporter:

Thread link, doubt it will last long: http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8513.htm


"Shemp = Scam"

They just banned me from the private a while ago.
I don't see why, it's private, no one can see it but us. So what if you voice your opinion there.
It's becoming a real communist situation.
...and another one sees the light. Or bites the dust, depending on one's point of view. :Guitar:

jdkiggins
03-28-2005, 12:33 AM
Hey, can we borrow one the board's smilies. I particularly like the http://www.publishamerica.com/messageboard/icons/jester.gif (jester)

Jeff
03-28-2005, 12:43 AM
From the website of the man himself:

"FEEL FREE TO COPY ANY MATERIAL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT CAN NOT BE USED FOR PERSONAL GAIN OR CREDIT. THIS SITE WILL BE REMOVED AT THE END OF THE CONTRACT PERIOD, 4-20-2005."

Looks like HB has cut himself off from his own website as well. Perhaps he simply misjudged the furor his action would cause amongst his friends and supporters over at PA?

jdkiggins
03-28-2005, 12:55 AM
I'm sure everyone will be disappointed that we only have 28 days left to listen to the endless ramblings of a dead man.

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 01:05 AM
From the website of the man himself:

"FEEL FREE TO COPY ANY MATERIAL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT CAN NOT BE USED FOR PERSONAL GAIN OR CREDIT. THIS SITE WILL BE REMOVED AT THE END OF THE CONTRACT PERIOD, 4-20-2005."

Looks like HB has cut himself off from his own website as well. Perhaps he simply misjudged the furor his action would cause amongst his friends and supporters over at PA?Or perhaps he had this identity/death thing planned out for quite some time now, either way, the loss of that site will beautify the rest of the internet...

Birol
03-28-2005, 01:05 AM
This entire PA thing is deplorable, disgusting, disheartening, and distasteful. It makes me want to relocate so Iím not unmistakably associated with the company. :)
Joanne

Ah, Joanne, you will never be permanently linked to PA.

To you and all others, I don't know who is a PA author and who isn't unless you choose to say so. Those of you who have broken with PA and come to AW, I judge you for what you have posted and contributed here, for who you are now. And just like everyone else on AW, most of you are clever, intelligent, witty individuals that make my days a little brighter.

astonwest
03-28-2005, 01:27 AM
Or, he'll just wait six months for an entirely new crop of authors to be posing on the PA boards and start from scratch.

This is my vote...and something I just posted to another thread before I came into this one...oops...

NicoleJLeBoeuf
03-28-2005, 01:33 AM
What the heck are you guys talking about, "PA knew this", "PA was in on this", "PA this and that", it's a weekend for goodness sake, the office is closed, and we know as much about anything as anyone else. If the guy died, it's horrible. If he didn't, it's good that we removed all debate from the public board.
Now go have a life, everyone.If only Infocenter could be bothered to come up with a plausible lie.

Compare these two statements:
1) "It's a weekend for goodness sake, the office is closed"
2) "good that we removed all debate from the public board"

If no one was in the office, how were posts deleted?

And... If the office being closed didn't prevent posts from being deleted, why would the office being closed prevent PA/Infocenter from participating in the prank?

Discrepancies abound.

Last piece of damning evidence: Y'all remember which post Infocenter deleted first? That's right. The first deletion was of Shemp's 6:00 AM "posthumous" post; posts pointing out Shemp's 6:00 AM post were the next to go. If PA/Infocenter wasn't aiding and abetting the hoax, why did they start out only deleting posts that belied the claims of Shemp's death? Sure looks like their first priority was to uphold the hoax's believability (such as it was). Only later, after it became apparent that few were fooled, did they to remove the hoax entirely.

Dear PA Lurkers: Infocenter is lying. Apply a critical eye to its claims. You could drive a truck through the holes in its story.

astonwest
03-28-2005, 01:36 AM
If no one was in the office, how were posts deleted?

Not just today, but every other weekend when posts have been deleted...
and after-hours...
and holidays...

Patricia
03-28-2005, 01:46 AM
Not just today, but every other weekend when posts have been deleted...
and after-hours...
and holidays...
I have always just deducted that all the "CEOs" would have a way to monitor the boards from home and would have the ability to delete at will. I also supposed that there could be the possibility that one of them could run over to the office if they wanted to, and do so from there if they saw something on another PC that did not have the capabilities.

triceretops
03-28-2005, 01:49 AM
Since the guy has always been about fame and personal gain, it's not too far fetched to believe that he's recently hooked up with a real publisher for his next manuscript, and possibly received a small advance and contract. Or he's finally got an agent who advised him to ditch the stigma of PA in whatever means possible (certainly not the way he did). He had to kill off his association with a vanity pub. Such a hurtful tradeoff would have been worth it to him. I don't think he'll be back on the PA boards. I think it's a new career he's after. It's just possible, that he paid so much attention to these boards, that he learned something about real authorship and publishing. I think deep down he knows that he's always been outnumbered by real professionals--P&E, SFWA, AW, the Author's Guild. Collectively, we are a Mighty force to be dealt with, on any level.

On another level, what's our policy for accepting membership just incase he is here and is afraid to come out? AW has always set the standard for honor and integrity, that's why we're one of the largest global writing groups. No one could/should condone what this individual has done to his group. But was he stupid, or very, very rash and afraid of remaining where he was? It shows in his exit stradegy--the botched death plan, full of holes. When the castle is being stormed by superior forces, the king usually exits via the secret passage, and quickly. Is that could have been what happened here?

On a second note, what if HB were admitted into this group, told to RESPECT his fellow writers (and keep his damn mouth shut), I'm wondering how many good people he could pull from PA to eventually land with us and settle in. In the long term, would that be of benifit to us and the new writers? I hate to get Trekie, but what's our Prime Directive? The needs of the many?

Just a different tack on the subject here, folks. I admit this theory is a little out there, granted, but is it at least possible?

Yeah, I believe he's been member of this community for months, not weeks. He just came in through the back door.
Tri

astonwest
03-28-2005, 01:58 AM
On a second note, what if HB were admitted into this group, told to RESPECT his fellow writers (and keep his damn mouth shut)...

Doubtful...

He was offered that opportunity on more than one occassion over at Mindsight, and I'm of the opinion he isn't capable of respect...at least not for extended periods of time.

lindylou45
03-28-2005, 02:03 AM
Or perhaps he had this identity/death thing planned out for quite some time now,

I'm thinking that whether he had it planned or not, he should be more careful in the future. God may be looking down on him and thinking maybe it is his time after all. Be careful what you wish for, HuffleBuff, it just might come true. :Ssh:

And to all you PA lurkers out there, no, this comment is not a veiled threat. It's just a comment, you can calm down now.

T42
03-28-2005, 02:33 AM
Nicole, That is why I thought that pa was in on it from the very beginning because I noticed and had mentioned that the post about him posting earlier was gone pretty quickly.

Also, I've looked at the pictures of their office and it's a dang townhouse. It's not set up like an office. It looks like my girlfriends apartment for Gods Sake. Right down to the book cases, her computer room. I'm sure that someone lives their full time. Could be that the three stooges share the joint. Nah, more then likely one or two of their rookie employees get free rent for monitoring the boards... :cool: :popcorn:

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 02:46 AM
P.A. private board password- Bendict Arnold, As you can see, you're not safe anywhere. They're taking your info to ohter sites.

I came back to report that the person who told the people on the private boards that she was contacting his best friend came back and blamblasted shemp big time and is very angry.

Out of respect for others I will only report things from the private boards when it concerns things like this. I care for some of the people that are still hooked by PA and don't want to violate their trust in any way. That would not give me any crediblity with them if they ever gave me an opportunity to lead them here.
Thanks, Ann! Believe me, I wouldn't ask you to post stuff from the private boards here. I just wanted to know if PA is deleting everything, or if people are allowed to talk about this privately. I'm glad to know they are. This whole thing was cruel to them, and they have my sympathy. to the PAers who grieved today.Kas, you should get on over here, you'd be welcomed.

A couple of other posts are there, thread is located here, read it while you can:

http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8514.htm


"Shemp = Scam"

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 02:59 AM
Why? offer the invite Ed, he may already be here

ByGrace
03-28-2005, 03:07 AM
Nicole, That is why I thought that pa was in on it from the very beginning because I noticed and had mentioned that the post about him posting earlier was gone pretty quickly.

Also, I've looked at the pictures of their office and it's a dang townhouse. It's not set up like an office. It looks like my girlfriends apartment for Gods Sake. Right down to the book cases, her computer room. I'm sure that someone lives their full time. Could be that the three stooges share the joint. Nah, more then likely one or two of their rookie employees get free rent for monitoring the boards... :cool: :popcorn:

I can assure you that no one lives in the townhouse office. It is strickly an office, however so humble in appearance. I was there on several occasions over a year ago. The City of Frederick has strict occupancy laws and would not allow them to inhabit the townhouse as a dwelling. If they do, they are in violation of the codes.

T42
03-28-2005, 03:13 AM
I can assure you that no one lives in the townhouse office. It is strickly an office, however so humble in appearance. I was there on several occasions over a year ago. The City of Frederick has strict occupancy laws and would not allow them to inhabit the townhouse as a dwelling. If they do, they are in violation of the codes.....If they do, they are in violation of the codes. Your point would be?....hee hee

Sheryl Nantus
03-28-2005, 03:13 AM
Why? offer the invite Ed, he may already be here

could be, could be...

:welcome: to Kas!

if you'd like to chat on something, come on over to the PA thread itself - this is going to be locked pretty soon as we move back to more important topics and all, so pop into the PA thread and let's talk...

... after all, at least WE don't delete threads like SOME "traditional publishers"...

:ROFL:

Trapped in amber
03-28-2005, 03:16 AM
:welcome:Changeling,

The main PA thread is located in the Bewares and Background Check board, which I would link to if my browser, or something, hadn't decided that copy&paste was forbidden.

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 03:17 AM
:welcome: to Kas!

if you'd like to chat on something, come on over to the PA thread itself - this is going to be locked pretty soon as we move back to more important topics and all, so pop into the PA thread and let's talk...




Sorry, I can only watch.

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 03:18 AM
:welcome:Changeling,

That's Chang-ling, thanks, though.

Sheryl Nantus
03-28-2005, 03:20 AM
:welcome:Changeling,

That's Chang-ling, thanks, though.

ah, we stand corrected - interesting name, however!

T42
03-28-2005, 03:20 AM
:welcome: to Kas!

if you'd like to chat on something, come on over to the PA thread itself - this is going to be locked pretty soon as we move back to more important topics and all, so pop into the PA thread and let's talk...




Sorry, I can only watch. Hi Changling, Welcome! You must be new? What do you mean you can only watch?

Sheryl Nantus
03-28-2005, 03:22 AM
Hi Changling, Welcome! You must be new? What do you mean you can only watch?

he may not feel comfortable with posting - which is fine, it's not a requirement or anything...

feel free to send private notes to anyone if you're curious about anything you're reading, however - we'll do our best to answer any questions or clarify any points!

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 03:22 AM
My bad, You mean at this board. I thought you meant over at the P.A. board.

I can only watch over there.

T42
03-28-2005, 03:23 AM
My bad, You mean at this board. I thought you meant over at the P.A. board.

I can only watch over there.Ha, join the crowd. I got kicked off my first week...banned forever!

T42
03-28-2005, 03:24 AM
They are talking about the thread here that is about authors beware. Their is a thread about pa...

Trapped in amber
03-28-2005, 03:26 AM
:welcome:Changeling,

That's Chang-ling, thanks, though.

Sorry! I get stupid when I get overexcited:hooray:. And I've had waaaaay too much chocolate

lindylou45
03-28-2005, 03:28 AM
I can assure you that no one lives in the townhouse office. It is strickly an office, however so humble in appearance. I was there on several occasions over a year ago. The City of Frederick has strict occupancy laws and would not allow them to inhabit the townhouse as a dwelling. If they do, they are in violation of the codes.

This is a moot point as they are no longer in the townhouse, but have moved to Church Street. They had to move somewhere since they'd told so many different government agencies that they were moving.

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 03:36 AM
Why? offer the invite Ed, he may already be here...hope Kas is here as well, I think he'd find things here to his liking, and he seems like a cool guy. Welcome!

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 03:40 AM
I am sure that he is. I wouldn't be surprised to see the flock following him like Moses through the red sea.
I think he's had it, he knows the whole story, and is p.o'd

Coupled with the fact that his bud, ZAZ is here.
Ed, I hear you have family over there?

allion
03-28-2005, 03:46 AM
...another quick thread about what's goin' on with Shemp - we find this posted by an ardent PA supporter:



Thread link, doubt it will last long: http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8513.htm


"Shemp = Scam"



Just pointing out the obvious - this thread has gone poof.

Gee, if no one is working on the holiday, it must have wandered by its own accord off into cyberspace...um, okay...

Karen

Now, back to our regular thread...

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 03:54 AM
I am sure that he is. I wouldn't be surprised to see the flock following him like Moses through the red sea.
I think he's had it, he knows the whole story, and is p.o'd

Coupled with the fact that his bud, ZAZ is here.
Ed, I hear you have family over there?...and I do have a relative over on the PA boards, a very nice, classy lady named Joyce. And Joyce, should you be reading this thread, the welcome mat is laid out here for you, too. You're a classy lady, your book was great, and I think you might enjoy it here.

Changling, once again, welcome!

P.S. (Changling, I idolize ZaZ, his stuff makes me laugh out loud, but don't tell him I said that...)

Julian Black
03-28-2005, 03:56 AM
...it's not too far fetched to believe that he's recently hooked up with a real publisher for his next manuscript, and possibly received a small advance and contract.There's one big problem with that theory, however--he's a humor writer who, if content of his website and the excerpts of his books are any indication, isn't funny.

Yeah, here I am, being blunt and sounding mean, but I just don't see his books getting picked up by a legit publisher.

He could do a lot better for himself by going with Lulu, or a similar print-on-demand company that makes no bones about what it is and what services it provides. Who knows? Maybe that's what he's doing. Or maybe I'm just amused by the thought of him sharing a "publisher" with Travis Tea...

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 04:16 AM
HB told me he did this because he was being "persued" by "some crazy people", and was "afraid for his family" when I talked to him on the phone Saturday. He was not at all concerned about anyone he hurt or upset, including me or my family, or any of his PA "family".

1. The "crazy people" in question are one "Rose D" and her husband- who he trashed, publicly on the pA boards then profusely apologized to. I don't know anything else about them.

2. He claimed that she "got his address from his step daughter that hates him".
I fail to see how this woman (who already had his address, made available to the public by HB and through public records) magicly found out he had a "stepdaughter who hates him", then found out HER address/phone number, then got her to "give up the goods". Strange.....

3. Anyone who really thinks that someone is "after them" and is "worried for their family" would CALL THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES, not go through a not-very-well-thought-out "death hoax".

Who knows/cares at this point why he pooped in his own sandbox?

He didn't think this through at all (coulda been the jack) but it's definitely ruined a lot of friendships and any credibility he may have once had.

I hope he's happy now.

DaveKuzminski
03-28-2005, 04:28 AM
I truly believe this death is a diversion for the new reversion contract being offered which I have now seen and posted in the main thread. Come on, PA, I'm ready and waiting for you. The only question you have concerns how much more ammunition I have. That would make mine, "Do you feel lucky?"

Sarashay
03-28-2005, 04:37 AM
Faking one's death over the internet to get attention is nothing new. I've seen it happen more than once, particularly in cases where people needed to dispose of a persona. I've also observed that OMGPEOPLEWERESTALKINGMEEEEEE!!!!1!!!one! is actually a pretty standard excuse people trot out when they eventually return to the land of the living. So I'm neither surprised nor convinced by Shemp's allegation.

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 04:45 AM
Well, you could, but it wouldn't sell because no one cares about the butt end of a donkey. I can see the opening chapter:

One dark and depressing afternoon, a rock moved. The movement continued until it burped out a creature of such pathetic proportions that the forest animals ran in fear. It was as if they could forsee what a sorry sack of skin this thing would become, spreading misery everywhere his unfocused eyes scanned...

Gee, Lola, you have issues or something? LOL.

That's funny Lola..

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 04:56 AM
...given by Shemp as to why he pulled this stunt. All of them are as weak as dishwater, I think he knows he has stepped into a deep vat of sh**, and is trying to find a way out of the hole.

Appreciate you taking the time to give us the info....


"Shemp = Scam"

Liam Jackson
03-28-2005, 04:59 AM
For those who've ever raised character issues regarding the person involved, this should provide a HUGE measure of validation.

Trapped in amber
03-28-2005, 05:05 AM
He's going to use Rose as an excuse for hurting all those people? I truly hope for their sake and sanity that they don't fall for this. I think I can see where he's going with it, how he's going to try and convince them, and I'm utterly disgusted by all of it.

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 05:11 AM
Thanks Ed,

Yep, pretty lame if I do say so myself.

As for earlier thoughts that he did it to leave PA for a "real publisher", all I can add to that is he had BETTER NOT try to use the book we were writing, or any portion of it.

He wanted me to write with him so I laid out the idea, then he would write a chapter, send it to me to "Make funny" then I would send it back. I have all the completed work so far saved on disk.

Problem was, he started, right from the beginning, to change my idea for the story line into "the sad saga of HB and his sisters fight over his Mom's estate" veiled thinly in the guise of a funny story about a boy and his dog. Too bad, but it did give me some practice for writing a real (funny) book.

At least he won't steal any more material from me as he has done in the past. He openly admitted once that he stole EVERYTHING from me in a post on the PA boards. (I guess I was supposed to take that as a compliment?)

Did I mention the fact that he lost his "good friend for more than a quarter of a century"- his words in the quotes......

Sad.

Sheryl Nantus
03-28-2005, 05:16 AM
He's going to use Rose as an excuse for hurting all those people? I truly hope for their sake and sanity that they don't fall for this. I think I can see where he's going with it, how he's going to try and convince them, and I'm utterly disgusted by all of it.

I find this a very unlikely option - fwiw, the person in question has visited these boards and will see this soon enough.

while there's been conflicts with said person on other sites and with other people, I really, REALLY doubt that this has any truth to it. It sounds like he's trying to use her and the brawl they had a few months ago to somehow justify his actions.

pathetic coward that he is.

he's probably just afraid of me - I got bigger balls than he does, it seems...

:banana:

Gravity
03-28-2005, 05:23 AM
Folks, take this to the bank. I go to lot of writers' conferences, and have met/talked to/schmoozed with a lot of editors. One thing I learned early on is this: the publishing world, for all its corporate hoopla, is a pretty small fraternity. Editors move from one house to another, who's currently the hot property is common knowledge, and everybody knows everybody else's business. A stunt like the CBM pulled does not occur in a void, and does not go unnoticed. Like the aroma from a flatulent dog, this will follow our erstwhile bad boy from room to room, endlessly. We've had our Hunter S. Thompson, and he's passed on to whatever reward might await him (legitimately dying, I might add); the CBM man, as much as he might want it to be, is not the latest incarnation.

Mi dos centavos.

John

NicoleJLeBoeuf
03-28-2005, 05:25 AM
I have always just deducted that all the "CEOs" would have a way to monitor the boards from home and would have the ability to delete at will. I also supposed that there could be the possibility that one of them could run over to the office if they wanted to, and do so from there if they saw something on another PC that did not have the capabilities.Exactly my point. Infocenter threw out that old bone, "Give us a break, it was a weekend, the office was closed" with the implication that the office being closed could somehow make PA's participation in the hoax impossible. But it doesn't. It's a red herring. It so totally fails as evidence that bringing it up is practically a nonsequitor. Regardless of whether they dashed back to the office or did it via VPN, they have been deleting posts all weekend long. What's more, selective deletion of posts was PA's involvement in the hoax. They started out by deleting any posts that were evidence of, or pointed to evidence of, HubbaBubba's survival.

In light of the above, PA's perpetration of the hoax is a given. Infocenter's more-than-inept denial only digs the hole deeper: PA is not only callous enough to perpetrate a death hoax, but dishonest enough to lie about it afterwards.

Yes, yes, I know, PA's dishonesty is a byword in these parts. We shouldn't be surprised. However, Infocenter has flaunted that dishonesty so blatantly in this matter that even the rank and file are bound to notice. So, pardon all the bold words (ha! pun) while I hammer this point home one more time for the benefit of the lurkers.

NicoleJLeBoeuf
03-28-2005, 05:33 AM
Kas, you should get on over here, you'd be welcomed.

http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8514.htmGood spotting, Ed. It's still up at this moment.

Kas, thank you. Thank you very, very much for posting what you did, espectially the following:


Thanks, Ann! Believe me, I wouldn't ask you to post stuff from the private boards here. I just wanted to know if PA is deleting everything, or if people are allowed to talk about this privately. I'm glad to know they are. This whole thing was cruel to them, and they have my sympathy. to the PAers who grieved today.One of the most hurtful things about this whole charade, at least from an AW point of view, is the way certain PA Forum members have been accusing us of enjoying their pain. I do hope Kas's post stays up long enough for the entire PA community to realize how wrong that accusation is.

(Yes, I realize some PA community members may take the view that "OMG, not even our private forum is safe!" However, the quote from our board that he posted tells a story of its own that hopefully will not go unnoticed: that we grieve for the manipulation that they suffered, and that Ann is respecting their privacy.)

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 05:39 AM
Hey, Schmoe, I got a question for you.

Did any P.A. author send you a free book recently, say, two three months ago?

Did you read it?
And what was the title?

DeadlyAccurate
03-28-2005, 05:42 AM
Wow, I think they're monitoring this board more than their own. That thread from kas1 is already gone.

Patricia
03-28-2005, 05:44 AM
Good spotting, Ed. It's still up at this moment.

Kas, thank you. Thank you very, very much for posting what you did, espectially the following:



(Yes, I realize some PA community members may take the view that "OMG, not even our private forum is safe!" However, the quote from our board that he posted tells a story of its own that hopefully will not go unnoticed: that we grieve for the manipulation that they suffered, and that Ann is respecting their privacy.)

Exactly! And for what it's worth (of course most of the PA cheerleaders wouldn't admit this) Jenna is well respected by those on the PA board that count. I think that gave me the courage to cut and paste. (I won't make a habit of it either.) They admire her for going to bat for those that won't or can't speak out. As was the case for me a long while.

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 05:53 AM
...because we are onto them like fire ants on a grasshopper. I think we helped bust up the charade this weekend, and more and more people are finding out the truth. If y'all get a chance, go over to the big PA thread - Dave has posted a (see post #13115) new "Settlement Agreement and Release" agreement that PA is offering, and in that agreement is the following:


Author agrees that he, his agents, attorneys, employees or family members will only represent that the relationship between Author and Publisher was ďdissolved amicablyĒ and will not disparage Publisher in any manner whatsoever, or host, maintain and/or post a message to any Internet web sites and/or message boards in which the content disparages Publisher in any manner whatsoever.I think PA checks out our message boards as much as they check out their own, which is really saying something....


"Shemp = Scam"

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 05:55 AM
Wow, I think they're monitoring this board more than their own. That thread from kas1 is already gone.

Gee, and Larry says that a junior staffer looks over here once a year.

Do you suppose Larry was ... fibbing?

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 05:58 AM
Hey, Schmoe, I got a question for you.

Did any P.A. author send you a free book recently, say, two three months ago?

Did you read it?
And what was the title?

K.A.S.
Yes, yes, "The Scent of Magnolias and Men" of course!
I won't do a review, but as promised, I told several other about it, my wife read it as well (and enjoyed it) and I passed it along to one of the other FIVE people as promised after that.....
Anything else? An ISBN maybe?:welcome:

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 05:58 AM
Gee, and Larry says that a junior staffer looks over here once a year.

Do you suppose Larry was ... fibbing?Uncle Jim, take it back! Our Larry fib? I'll tell you right here and now, right in front of everyone who reads this that Mr. Clopper has the same morals and scruples as our good friend Shemp!


"Shemp = Scams"

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 06:04 AM
Schmoe, Good enough.

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 06:11 AM
Schmoe, Good enough.

Please, call me Joe....

...and assure some of the doubters that remain that I AM NOT HB MARCUS!!!!:Headbang:

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 06:18 AM
Okay Joe, but I need to ask one more confirming question.

What is the first initial of your e-mail buddy today.

eighter
03-28-2005, 06:29 AM
Apparently he doesn't expect to die again before the 20th. Wasn't that when his contract expired?

You people are bad. I don't know how I could have doubted him. It was very noble of him to play dead to protect his family. Sounds perfectly normal to me.

Don't guess PA will see this but I'm going out of town tomorrow "to go get a life." Understand now, I don't do this every week, only because PA thinks I need it.

I'm sure The Life and Deaths of What's His Name will still be on when I get back.
This may be the longest running soapie in history. Maybe he and the contract will expire at the same time.

Molly

Literary Lola
03-28-2005, 07:05 AM
I think PA checks out our message boards as much as they check out their own, which is really saying something....
Ed, dear, they do that so they know what the hell is going on. It's not easy to know know the score with their own scam when their heads contain no brains. Talk about a room with a view...

Someone, please pass CBM the PA bong. He may be needing a hit reeeal bad.

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 07:10 AM
All mysteries revealed. (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/4951/csm.html)

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 08:08 AM
...want to read something a tad offbeat?

http://p210.ezboard.com/fthebarbrastreisandforum89123frm7.showMessage?topi cID=1602.topic

Could it be, is it possible, that.......that......that Shemp is a Streisand fan? Oh, sorry, Shemp's dead so I should've written,

"Is it possible that Shemp was a Streisand fan?"


"Shemp = Scam"


P.S. Lola, excellent seeing you here, hope you are wondrous, splendid, and marrrrvvveeeelllloooouuusssss these days....




P.S.S. I guess every Jiffy Lube owner in America is in a state of mourning, with Shemp being out of the picture and unable to set up anymore multi-author signings...

robeiae
03-28-2005, 08:29 AM
...want to read something a tad offbeat?

http://p210.ezboard.com/fthebarbrastreisandforum89123frm7.showMessage?topi cID=1602.topic

Could it be, is it possible, that.......that......that Shemp is a Streisand fan? Oh, sorry, Shemp's dead so I should've written,

"Is it possible that Shemp was a Streisand fan?"
THAT explains alot...I think we can put the entire thing to rest now. All the things Shemp ever did were clearly attempts to impress Babs. Luckily, he never took the "cereal" route.

Rob

Patricia
03-28-2005, 08:42 AM
http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8517.htm

robeiae
03-28-2005, 08:52 AM
http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8517.htm

I just saw that, too. I think it is sincere, but of course I know nothing about the poster. Regardless, it seems to clearly indicate that the sham from Shemp was organized with no regard for his fellow authors. Also, it suggests that the front office had no prior knowledge of the plan.

Hopefully, this will put an end to the speculation, though I doubt it.

Rob

JennaGlatzer
03-28-2005, 09:04 AM
Ed, I'm letting you handle the welcoming committee for now. I need to go take a breather, because I'm finally understanding what some of my friends here have experienced.

http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/7434.htm

In that thread, a post started and perpetuated by kas caused me a lot of pain... and money, when I had to get legal advice. Misguided people from PA began sending letters to the media saying that I was a fraud and my books were all self-published. Luckily, people in the media forwarded those letters back to me and my lawyer intervened. Of course, it didn't get much better from there, with people on the private boards saying "F u c k her" and telling even grander lies about me.

I know I'm supposed to be forgiving and understand the cult-like PA atmosphere, but that was just damn hurtful, uncalled for, and easily prevented by about two seconds of research. (Kas, I had no way to tell you then, but try checking here next time: www.jennaglatzer.com (http://www.jennaglatzer.com) .)

There are people from PA who I just can't bear to welcome. It hurts me too much to see them come over here to MY site, not say a word of apology, and get warm welcomes from everyone. I never, ever did anything to harm a PA author. I've been working my tail off for ages trying to HELP PA authors. For God's sake, if you figured out that I wasn't the enemy, that you said things that were wrong and hurtful about me, apologize to me before you take up residence on the board I maintain.

I hope you all understand. I don't know how I'm supposed to handle situations like these... I really don't... but for now, I'm going to just ignore it and move on.

P.S. I also want to note that for all the deleting PA jumps to do, that thread has now been up since January. There were private board threads about it, too. In this gang-beating featuring about 30 PA authors, only two bothered to stick up for me in any way: lbs and Renee. Again, I had no way of posting to you at that time, but that meant something to me, and I appreciate it. That whole incident made me almost want to quit everything I do here.

P.P.S. Kas, where's that $250 you said you had to pay to join here?

Chacounne
03-28-2005, 09:41 AM
I can't believe they said these things about you and your publishing houses. What bunk! An apology is definitely in order from those who were involved, before they get much further in setting up home on your board. Taking responsibility for one's mistakes is one of the signs of being an adult, and one of the signs that one has integrity, and thus far they have not shown much character at all.

Hmph!
Chacounne

JennaGlatzer
03-28-2005, 10:01 AM
Ann and Chacounne, you're the best and I love you, too. :heart:

This is a very strange spot to be in, as I'm sure you'll understand...

What I've wanted so badly is for PA's strongest supporters to come here and learn what we stand for and why. To understand that it's NOT that we hate PA authors, it's not that we're "afraid of the competition," not that we have nothing better to do with our little lives, not that we're all "bitter whiners who didn't read the contract," etc., but that we're people who (gasp) care about other people and want to make sure no one else gets sucked into what we already know is a Very Bad Deal.

Lots of my friends on this board are PA (or ex-PA) authors who were subjected to the same kind of nastiness as I was... groupthink took over and people beat up on their fellow authors when someone stepped "out of line" and began questioning anything about PA. I know several of them have trouble accepting it when someone who was once an ardent PA supporter has a change of heart, then appears here and doesn't even attempt to make amends. (Clue: It's never too late. Try sending PMs.)

I'm going to try to follow in their examples and take the high road. I know this will happen again. All 30 (or so) of the authors who participated in that little gang-up on me hurt me, yet I want them here... weird situation, huh?

Kas, if you're here because you've honestly had a change of heart in these past few days, I'm willing to give you a fresh start. Disrespecting women (or men) is absolutely not an option here. In fact, that's pretty much our only rule. Say what you want, but respect your fellow authors. If you can handle that, we'll get along fine.

triceretops
03-28-2005, 10:04 AM
Jenna, take heart in knowing that we all here at AW know the facts and certainly your history. Those people are rotten fact-checkers, and I'm very surprized that they didn't google your history, or even have a clue as to who your publishers were. They scream about being negative, yet they allow slaming threads like that to remain. When the botton of the PA barrel has been reached, there will be some avid PA supportors left, who will go on to write a dozen books for that company, and frankly, I hope they remain there because I sure don't want to rub shoulders with them in ANY writing community. Those are the people who are past redemption, and they are dangerous because they snag newbies.

I would encourage all new PA arrivals to go and message the lady of our house, for the sake of appology, for the sake of friendship, for the sake of peace and understanding. She don't bite and she's quite approachable. This is if you haven't already done so.

Tri

Renee
03-28-2005, 11:25 AM
So are ya'll saying:

You know who is alive?


And KAS (AKA hottoddy) is here?

Sorry the posts are gathering quickly.

Renee
03-28-2005, 11:27 AM
And Jenna, it was my pleasure taking up for you on the private board. I only did what was right. The right thing is easy to do!


And I can say that after being kicked (banned) off for such actions..lol...

;)

You are a great person. Don't let anyone get ya down!

Galoot
03-28-2005, 11:36 AM
Boy, that public apology of philwit's sure showed what an honorable person he is at heart. To take full ownership of his actions like that, without prompting, earns him a big heaping helping of respect.

*ahem* Life is full of parallels, isn't it?

NicoleJLeBoeuf
03-28-2005, 11:53 AM
Wow. Jenna, I had no idea--back when that all happened, I just skimmed enough of the linked PA threads to get the jist of what folks were talking about. Didn't recall the specifics of the mudslinging or the names behind the mud.

My appreciation of his post today was certainly not meant to add salt to your wounds! Promise!

I hope that he has done a 180 since saying all those hurtful things, and that he will have the balls to apologize for his earlier behavior. Meanwhile, I hope the post he made today does some good--whether or not he meant to, he managed to chose quotes that really do show this forum in a good light, and I have to appreciate the potential in that.

Patricia
03-28-2005, 12:01 PM
And KAS (AKA hottoddy) is here?



One and only.

Renee
03-28-2005, 12:07 PM
One and only.

Interesting indeed!

:Wha:

JennaGlatzer
03-28-2005, 12:24 PM
You folks are the coolest. Nicole, I never got to see that post (it was pulled before I saw the link)-- regardless of history, I, too, appreciate that something honest from AW was posted over there. Amazingly rare.

Aww, Renee, you got banned for me? What a pal! :Hug2:

So I'll sum it up:

Yes, HB is alive. Yes, Mark (philwit) knew he was alive. HB told him he had to fake his own death to protect himself and his family from an angry PA poster, so Mark went along with it, without thinking through all the hurt it would cause. He has since apologized. Don't know if Missy knew the truth.

Joeshmoe told us right away that this was a hoax and finally got word over there that HB was alive and well, which is what caused much of the suspicion.

PA Infocenter deleted HB's messages that were posted after his "time of death" right away. They let the HB death announcement stay up all day and night, but deleted threads questioning whether or not the death was true. They finally deleted all of it, and began monitoring carefully so no other HB talk could get through on the public board. On the private board, Infocenter claimed to know nothing and told people to go have a life.

-
Joe: I want to help you confirm your identity here. I'm sure you understand why anything remotely connected with HB is subject to a lot of suspicion around here, especially in light of what's gone on. I can tell everyone that Joe's IP address has never been anything like HB's when he posted here and their e-mail addresses are from different providers, and that Joe didn't just recently show up here-- he posted on our old boards months ago, too. None of that is "definitive proof," though, so if you want to talk to me about how we can clear this up permanently, Joe, I'd love to hear it.

Renee
03-28-2005, 12:27 PM
Yup, Jenna :kiss: that and telling the truth will get ya banned everytime! LOL..


And thanks for the update on you know who's little weird situation. Interesting, but quite expected!

JennaGlatzer
03-28-2005, 01:22 PM
Guys, a bunch of people are asking me about this, so I'll give a few more details, then let it rest.

This all happened at the same time Atlanta Nights was announced, and I didn't want to rain on that fun parade, so I didn't post much about it at the time. Here's what happened after that thread:




"I think that any author who chalanges 11,000 other authors and calls them stupid for going with PA deserves our best. All of her books are listed with reviews from paid reviewers and have five stars. I think it would be very nice of us if 11,000 authors would go there and write 'nice' reviews of her books. Just go to Amazon and type in Glatzer to find her."

"My point is, she made money off selling that hatchet job to the TV station. She also got a lot of publicity for her books at our expense."

"It makes one wonder. Why do these other authors seem to point their abuse to PA and PA authors? Obviously they perhaps don't like the idea that PA is going some where as a publisher as well as their authors. Their afraid of the competition."

"The aggressor makes the rules. **** her."

"I was subscribed to her newsletter - past tense - and she was bragging in it about how she really stuch it to PA. Any others out there might consider cancelling just so she knows we are still around.

"I told her she had pissed off 11.000 writers by calling them stipid. 11,000 writers with good imaginations so she better expect some reprisals. I wasn't sure what form they would take."

"I would love to go trash her books like she trashed ours, but that would be stooping to her level. I think our work will stand on its own, but that's just me.

"I am completely happy with PA. They have fulfilled every single thing they said they'd do. I, too, went into this with no illusions after being rejected time and time again by the big guys. This was my last and only hope of ever getting published, a hope fulfilled by PA. I read all the bad stuff on writers.com, and decided to ignore it. It was so vituminous my antennae went up. This couldn't all be true! It had to be disgruntled people who couldn't edit or promote their own books to save their lives. Turns out, my instincts were right."



It got uglier after they decided to contact the media. But there you have the jist of it.

I hope that anyone who would be reading this would realize that basically nothing in there was true: No, I don't have any reviews from paid reviewers on Amazon (and they're not even all 5-star... don't I wish!). No, I didn't get paid by the TV station. No, I never mentioned my books on the air or got any publicity for my own books out of the work I've done to bring PA's problems to the media's attention. No, I never called PA's authors stupid. No, I never bragged about "sticking it to them" in my newsletter. No, I never trashed anyone's books.

So there you go... that's the rest of the story.

And, hmm... you notice how the first poster is encouraging Amazon slamming... something we've always condemned here?

Fractured_Chaos
03-28-2005, 01:34 PM
I always thought you, and the rest of AW were a class act! Which is why y'all are stuck with me, now :D

MacAllister
03-28-2005, 01:38 PM
:D And we're awfully glad you're here, Lorrie!

Fractured_Chaos
03-28-2005, 02:08 PM
*drgn toes the dirt* Awwwwww, shucks, guys! :)

Galoot
03-28-2005, 02:17 PM
Re: Joe

I understand the reason for suspicion, but wow, would I ever hate to be put in the position of having to prove I'm not a certain madman simply because I admitted to associating with him. You all know I could be HB, right? The picture in my profile does appear elsewhere on the net, after all. Without taking photo requests, I can't prove that's me.

I sure hope people can accept Joe with the same open attitude they would extend to a disenfranchised PA author, for example. If he winds up spitting blood, speaking in tongues, or challenging Uncle Jim to a boxing match, then we have something to worry about. But Joe has said he's not HB. Better still, he's acted nothing like him (unless I missed some posts somewhere, in which case please point them out). That's good enough for me.

The only thing that annoys me is that every time Joeshmoe writes something, the title of an HB book is implied and an angel loses its wings. Maybe a more subtle username would be cool?



Re: Jenna's publishing history

The funny thing is, even if all those things were true (and they're most certainly not), none would change the story about PA that prompted all their outrage in the first place.

Jenna, FWIW, PA turned off Google spidering for its boards, right? So it's not cached. The only links referencing the grunting noises made in that KAS thread all reside here. 30 days later it sank into oblivion as far as even the PA authors are concerned. Once (if) an apology is made, it'll pop out of existence like the inconsequential soap bubble it is.

Whatever exists on the private thread is also not Googled.

The only ones likely to read that crap will either get there from here--in which case they already know better--or through PA--in which case they'll learn the truth for themselves when they stumble across one of your books in an actual store. :D

Anyone in the world unrelated to writing doesn't give a damn either way. It's just another flame war, not even a current one, which they'll tune out of after the first two posts. Who wants to read anything so "stipid" if they're not personally involved?

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 02:31 PM
Just a reminder for our friends who are still on the PA boards: You can be held liable for your words. Truth is a defense, yes ... but to use that defense, first you have to have been telling the truth.

Word to the wise, know what I mean?

Working Author
03-28-2005, 02:51 PM
HB told me he did this because he was being "persued" by "some crazy people", and was "afraid for his family" when I talked to him on the phone Saturday. He was not at all concerned about anyone he hurt or upset, including me or my family, or any of his PA "family".

1. The "crazy people" in question are one "Rose D" and her husband- who he trashed, publicly on the pA boards then profusely apologized to. I don't know anything else about them.

2. He claimed that she "got his address from his step daughter that hates him".
I fail to see how this woman (who already had his address, made available to the public by HB and through public records) magicly found out he had a "stepdaughter who hates him", then found out HER address/phone number, then got her to "give up the goods". Strange.....

3. Anyone who really thinks that someone is "after them" and is "worried for their family" would CALL THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES, not go through a not-very-well-thought-out "death hoax".

Who knows/cares at this point why he pooped in his own sandbox?

He didn't think this through at all (coulda been the jack) but it's definitely ruined a lot of friendships and any credibility he may have once had.

I hope he's happy now.

I read your post with interest and totally agree with you. Whether he thought it through or not is not the point. The bottom line is, he should have never pulled the "hoax" in the first place. It's really sad when a person craves attention so much that he/she would fake his/her own death (not once, but twice), in order to be in the spotlight. Guess what? Life goes on and this too shall pass.

Although, most of us write under a pen name, our facial features remain the same. HB's face is embedded in my mind and in other people's mind as well, who saw his photo on the past interview that he gave to the news media. He can change his pen name, but I, along with others, will always remember his face. Of course, unless he chooses plastic surgery.

The entire prank was not only childish, but extremely asinine.
Teena

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 02:58 PM
That whole incident made me almost want to quit everything I do here.


Making you want to quit what you do is the whole reason they did it. Now that the word about PA is getting out to the public, I expect them to really start taking the low road. Mud wrestling will have nothing on it.

You're doing good, and you're doing right. That's all the reason Satan needs to bring his out his tools to try to tear you down.

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 03:26 PM
...if you weren't being effective, if you weren't putting the country hurtin' on PA, then they wouldn't notice you at all. You're doin' a ton of good, and don't ever forget that.

And these boards aren't the only things gettin' attention this morning, our dearly departed friend Shemp is as well, only the news be not good for him - here are some choice comments:


Shame he's such a sick bas*#@*.
I'm sorry for Missy too.
I vote we just move on and forget about him. There's enough strife in the world today, and I personally don't have the time/energy to deal with sickos/self-centered/blown out egos.
I just hope this mentally disturbed individual who caused people such pain, will not be allowed to post any longer.
Although you were the messenger, you are not responsible for what happened here. ~He who shall not be named~ should be ashamed of himself for putting his friends through this horrific ordeal. I don`t care what his lame excuse was for doing it, it was a cruel and malicious act.
Your apology is well said and heartfelt, but in the end, the blame really lies elsewhere, and we all know where that blame lies.
This issue (Shemp's death) has received a great deal of public attention, which was the point ot this whole charade.
Not only did I spend more time on the board than I have been to see what was going on in regards to the news of a person I care about, I spent time in prayer and concern and there is no way I think this hoax was funny or anything but a pathetic cry for attention or a huge con...GET HELP NOW!
I would also add that the "would be deceased" needs some serious phychiatrist counseling.The last time I heard of something "dying" and getting such good vibes, his last name was Mussolini...

P.S. Joe, I swear this whole thing comes off like Shemp tied a load on and decided he wanted some attention. What followed was his sick way of getting it. Am I even close to the target? (And if you have no idea, I totally understand, just curious).

Gravity
03-28-2005, 03:38 PM
Jenna...you're aces with me as well, friend. As far as what was posted about you, here's another of my Granny aphorisms that's more than apropos: "consider the source, son." Had I been able to post there, I too would have tried to defend you. A year go, though, the CBM and his handlers had me banned. Praise God.

In the cold light of day, in fine and in sum, PA is dying. It's taken donkey's years for it to happen, but, much in the same way we saw a man's literary (non) career die before our eyes this past weekend, we're seeing the death of the scam company he shilled for. Mark it well, children; God willing, we'll not see PA's like again.

John

Ken Schneider
03-28-2005, 03:46 PM
Well understood Jenna. I apologize for my ignorant indiscretions.

Since you have not been a communist controller here to by removing my posting rights, I'll welcome you to delete those right amicably.

When one is lulled to sleep by a sheep in wolves clothing, feels an allegiance to ones comrades, and fights for what they believe to be right, they can, and often do find they are wrong. Iíll admit that I was one of those people. Whether the apology is accepted, I canít control, but I do see the light, and hope your fight, is a successful one.

Thanks for the invite Ed, though in vain, I appreciate your effort of hospitality.

As I have tried to make the jump-I see it will be unsuccessful here.

Thanks for the board time. Good luck to all here. Better to write and mind ones own business, than post and mind everyoneís.


kas

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 03:47 PM
For the PA authors who are cruising by:

Do you really think that the folks who jumped ship were all "whiners" and "losers" who "refused to promote" their books?

Read some of their stories:

Here's how Rebecca Easton (http://p197.ezboard.com/fabsolutewritefrm11.showMessageRange?topicID=209.t opic&start=1501&stop=1520) promoted her book.

Here's how Molly Marx Brent (http://p197.ezboard.com/fabsolutewritefrm11.showMessageRange?topicID=209.t opic&start=1521&stop=1540) promoted her book.

Here's how Diana Hignutt (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=134696&postcount=13060) promoted her book.

All of these people were major PA boosters.

What makes you think that your results will be any better?

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 03:53 PM
Okay Joe, but I need to ask one more confirming question.

What is the first initial of your e-mail buddy today.

Huh?
I'm not sure what you getting at....Today is Monday and I haven't checked my e-mail yet. Plus I have more than one e-mail address- so I will answer your vexing quextion by asaying "What is the sound of one hand clapping if there is no one in the forsest to see the trees?"

Joe

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 03:56 PM
As I have tried to make the jump-I see it will be unsuccessful here.


Don't bet on it.

If you have some time (sound of hollow laughter) ... check back in these boards, all the way back to summer of '03 ... and see the "Dave and James show." Do you know why the "Take It Outside" board was created?

Learning the history of another board is tough.

Learning the personalities on another board is tough.

Being publicly slammed is tough.

Changing is tough.

Lots of things in life are tough.

Jenna's cool. All's well. And your insights and observations are valuable.

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 04:36 PM
I am working on changing my username to something less disagreeable....I'm just not sure how to do it without uh, er, "killing off" myself and coming back as a new board user.

HEY!! THAT WASN'T FUNNY!!
Yes it was.


Hey I never said I was the brightest.... a little help here?

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 04:41 PM
Y'know, it strikes me that the Campout is going to be Very Interesting.

Moondancer
03-28-2005, 04:47 PM
I am working on changing my username to something less disagreeable....I'm just not sure how to do it without uh, er, "killing off" myself and coming back as a new board user.

HEY!! THAT WASN'T FUNNY!!
Yes it was.


Hey I never said I was the brightest.... a little help here?

only the admins can change a username but it's not that hard to do so I would send a request for it with your chosen new name. That way you don't lose your post count.

MacAllister
03-28-2005, 04:48 PM
Changling, that was a gracious apology and explanation. I hope you stick around. I imagine you're feeling a bit raw, just now. But you are welcome here, and moreover, you can help set things right for others still at PA, who may follow.

Joe, just PM Jenna about your username, don't nuke your old incarnation just yet. :)

Moondancer
03-28-2005, 05:08 PM
Changling, some of us will have problems with some PA authors but not with others depending on our experiences. I don't have a problem with you but there are others I will have problems with if/when they show up here... And I'm not a PA author or one the "Big 8" as we all know they are lovingly called by those who hate them.

Stick around and learn. Those of us who don't have a problem with you can help you settle in while others who might have past problems can take the time to warm up to you now being a wiser person. You aren't the first person to have had a change of heart and mind and you certainly won't be the last.

Eventually, it all works out for the best for all concerned. And in this instance, time is on your side. You have whatever is left of your 7 year contract to accomplish whatever you wish.

J.S. Blue
03-28-2005, 05:12 PM
Y'know, it strikes me that the Campout is going to be Very Interesting.

Yeah, especially when I show up!
Hey, I was invited ya' know......

Lisa Y
03-28-2005, 05:13 PM
While merely a messenger truly believing, at the time, to be
helping to protect a friend and his family from grave harm by
posting these messages
I'm sorry. I just don't get it. If someone lived close enough to HB to cause "grave harm" to him and his family, wouldn't they live close enough to know he was really alive? Or am I missing something?

Jenna, sigh, Jenna, as you know I have no posting rights at PA :Ssh:and am unable to view the private board. I'm so sorry such nastiness was said/written about you. The two times I tried to reach out and touch a still-brainwashed PA author by contacting them through e-mail, I found myself defending AW. I've always found you and many others to be full of non-biased info and more importantly, to be fair to all sides. The "big three" at PA could never say the same about themselves. I think that's why the sheep bite as they do. Take heart in knowing you've helped at least one author, me, try and move on with life and with writing.

ps and I'm not just saying this because I want a free membership to your club!:Hail:

Moondancer
03-28-2005, 05:17 PM
Yeah, especially when I show up!
Hey, I was invited ya' know......

I wouldn't unpack right away if I were you. ;)

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 05:59 PM
....there are going to be raw and hurt feelings on account of a lot of things connected with PA for a good number of people. I sure hope you'll stay, there is more than one person posting now on our boards that had a "past" with PA, and they are now well respected members of our community. You know, I actually think discussing these type things, resolving them, and pushing forward are the marks of maturity and inclusion. And above all else, we should always want to be as inclusive as possible, a lot of people over at PA are guilty of overzealous promotion of their publisher, but they are salvageable. I think everyone deserves a chance to start over if their hearts are sincere....

Sheryl Nantus
03-28-2005, 06:13 PM
hey, *I* was one of those nits back once in a lifetime - you don't have to go back too far in the fat thread overhead to find my name up there, blathering away and attacking everyone in order to defend PA.

then, of course, I got a clue.

but that didn't/doesn't excuse my behavior to a certain degree, since I do happen to have control over my own mind. Yes, I was scammed into the PA mentality and joined the cult, but I'm old enough to take responsibility for my own actions and my ill-chosen words back then.

thankfully, most have forgiven me. Hopefully, everyone will over time.

it's a hard, harsh hit of reality, folks - I've been slammed as well in public on the PA boards where an author was recruiting for people to find out where I lived and come visit me. I asked PA to delete the thread and they told me they wouldn't. Fortunately the author in question wandered off into the mist and that thread died a fast death in two weeks, but I was seriously concerned for my safety. Well, not that much - 15 years in security, being a Guardian Angel and married to an ex USAF boyo doesn't give me that much worry.

the fact is that everyone has to take their lumps for their mistakes, even if you did do them with the best of intentions to defend PA. I'm willing to do it and have taken them and will continue to take them because they were *my* words, not those of the Infocenter. Thank goodness I didn't cause as much harm as some, but that was only by the grace of God.

I can't tell anyone to forgive and forget and wouldn't dare do so - and, of course, I'd hug Jenna to death if I could except for this cyberspace thingie.

just try to love the sinner, hate the sin and move on along to becoming better authors, better people and help bring down PublishAmerica.

peas, out.

T42
03-28-2005, 06:17 PM
Wow, I just went to the link about Jenna and am shocked. I would love to see you here Kas because you are one of them that made my life a bit miserable too for the "only" week I was able to post at PA. I do know that people here are different. We have respect for each other. It would be fun to debate with you now knowing that I would not be banned for my opinions or tarred and feathered by the PA followers. I too say come and join us. I know that Jenna is obviously a forgiving person and has made that clear, so come and be with us...we can all learn from each other and we can learn from our mistakes...~Mem

T42
03-28-2005, 06:40 PM
Kas if nothing else at least come over and apologize to Jenna. I think you owe her that much! She has worked hard to fight for people that are screwed by PA and change of heart or not (only you know that) she deserves a lot of respect for what she has done in her life and ours!

T42
03-28-2005, 06:49 PM
Kas if nothing else at least come over and apologize to Jenna. I think you owe her that much! She has worked hard to fight for people that are screwed by PA and change of heart or not (only you know that) she deserves a lot of respect for what she has done in her life and ours!Kas, I have been made aware that you have apologized and that is good. Now, I'm sorry that I didn't pick up on it. So, let's all be friends and fight the real enemy.

mdin
03-28-2005, 06:56 PM
Back to the subject at hand, in the apology thread (http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8517.htm) you see a severe case of mass not-reading-carefully. As mentioned above, the guy admits to lying about the whole thing, and only one or two people understand what he's saying.

mdin
03-28-2005, 06:58 PM
And right after I posted this, Philwit clarified his initial apology, which is not going to turn out good for him:




As I indicated, I responded to what sounded like a genuinely
desperate and terrified plea by H.B. who - regardless of whether
paranoid or panicked - felt genuinely threatened. Whatever the
nature of his ultimate aim or design was (the logic of which still
escapes me), it was NOT a hoax, nor a self-promo stunt - of
that I am utterly convinced. To be sure, I would NEVER have
participated in any fashion, had it been such.

To put it bluntly, H.B. felt his life and that of his family's,
threatened, and he gave me at the time convincing reasons why
he felt that. And it was the credibility of his anxiety-ridden
state, that motivated me to concede to his plea.

Richard
03-28-2005, 07:00 PM
"It wasn't a hoax, just a claim I knew not to be true."

Ooooooooooooooooooooookay.

Kevin Yarbrough
03-28-2005, 07:48 PM
Kas, stay please. You were my bud on the PA board, and I still consider you my bud. We have all been blinded by PA's lies, some just took a little longer to put on their shades. Now, I know you are a hell of a researcher. Remember Brian? We proved his lies with ease, so why you didn't research Jenna is beyond me. I'm not going to bash you for it, but if Jenna is willing, I would welcome you here. I repect you and I think you could bring a lot of good info here. Reconsider staying.

Jenna, you know I love you. You are doing a great job and I hope you keep it up. But I would like to comment on the Kas situation. I know what it's like to be lead astray. To be forced, unknowingly, to believe the lies you are told. You have your publisher telling you lies disguised as facts, all your friends towing the line. You get into the mindset that everybody else is wrong. You come to love your friends, your publisher and anybody that you see as telling lies in order to hurt them will bring up a rise in you that you feel must be vented. Kas is a great guy. And I hope you don't let our past mistakes haunt us. We were wrong. We found the truth and we are trying to rectify that. I know you are a good person and you will probably let Kas post here, and I know it will hurt, and I don't blame you for hurting, but that reason is just one of the reasons that seperates you from PA. You will forgive, unlike them.

I commend you, I respect you, and I think you are doing a helluva job. You were one of the first people to offer an apology to me when I revealed my story about PA sending the cops to my house. It was unneeded because you didn't know, but you did it anyway. I love you for that. I hope we can all let things go. There is going to be an influx of new PA authors over here and some of those authors have done things in the past to hurt many of us. If we don't show that we are better than PA then what will seperate us from them? The more PA authors we have, even the more vocal one, will give us a leg up in the fight against PA. I mean, who better to have in a fight than a one time cheerleader?

Thank you Jenna for this board and for giving me a place to tell my story.

robeiae
03-28-2005, 07:52 PM
I understand the reason for suspicion, but wow, would I ever hate to be put in the position of having to prove I'm not a certain madman simply because I admitted to associating with him. You all know I could be HB, right? The picture in my profile does appear elsewhere on the net, after all. Without taking photo requests, I can't prove that's me.
???? :Jaw: Are you...HB?

robeiae
03-28-2005, 08:05 PM
What's in a real apology?

It seems to me that words like sincere, and guts, and honorable are being handed out as compliments by alot of people, both here and in the Land of Poz.

I guess I'm just different (or cruel, or mean), but I take honor very seriously. If I had spent alot of time maliciously attcking someone based on lies, fabrications, and half-truths, had done so in a public place, and was proud of myself at the time for what I was doing, how would I apologize for my actions (when I realized how wrong I was) honorably?

Well first, my apology would be fully public; maybe I'd even start my own thread for it to make sure alot of people saw it (better yet, a whole website). Next, I'd apologize for each thing that I did that was wrong and hurtful (at least to the best of my knowledge). Finally, I would never try to defend my actions or absolve myself of some measure of responsibility for them because of the actions of others. We do have free will after all, at least in my world.

But maybe that's just me...

Rob

Kevin Yarbrough
03-28-2005, 08:07 PM
I have just learned that our good friend and PA critic Kevin has passed on to the big publisher in the sky. I received an email from his 10 month old last night. Through all of the garbled words and drool I have deciphered this.

Kevin had been suffering from a huge boil on his a s s. He had been fighting it and refused to go see the proctologist. Last night, the boil burst. Kevin was in his favorite place, his crapper, when he went to wipe his a s s and accidently burst it. He bled out on the floor, his pants around his ankles with a picture of Joy in his hand. When they took him to the hospital they tried to revive him as he posted on the internet, downloaded porn, and made jokes about his condition. The doctors said it was a good sign that a dead man could do this and gave him a good prognosis. But alas, they were wrong. He was still gone and nothing they could do would bring him back.

Upon autopsy they found that the boil was only the size of a pimple but it had infiltrated the carotid artery. Never seeing anything like this before his body will be donated to science. His a s s will forever be permanetly displayed on the net for all the world to see.

It is said that his pony, Purple, will be the speaker at his mock funeral. Any donations can be sent to Purple since he will not be able to buy his own food or pay for internet bills.

Moondancer
03-28-2005, 08:10 PM
To me, a simple "I'm sorry" followed by future actions that uphold the sincerity of the apology is enough for me. I don't need abject grovellings or public declarations. Neither of those would convince me the person is truly sorry for the hurt she or he has done. All that would say to me is the person has a penchant for making grandiose statements. Nor should they expect that an apology makes for immediate trust.

Anybody can mouth off an apology but living up to actually meaning it is something else.

Kevin Yarbrough
03-28-2005, 08:14 PM
I am not dead, nor do I have a boil. Purple did this to get money since I won't raise his allowance. Bad purple!! Bad!!

Jeff
03-28-2005, 08:20 PM
Taken from "THE APOLOGY".

"Whatever the nature of his ultimate aim or design was (the logic of which still escapes me), it was NOT a hoax, nor a self-promo stunt - of that I am utterly convinced. To be sure, I would NEVER have participated in any fashion, had it been such."

So.

If it was not a hoax, then whatsizname is really and truly dead, yes? Just so we are clear: Having one friend tell all your other friends that you are dead when you are not is nothing at all like a hoax.

Ooooo-kay. Right.

Why is it that often, when these folks put fingers to keyboard, they just dig themselves deeper? Sheesh.

Edit: Kevin, just in case you find out later that you really are dead, can I have all your stuff?

Sheryl Nantus
03-28-2005, 08:37 PM
Taken from "THE APOLOGY".

"Whatever the nature of his ultimate aim or design was (the logic of which still escapes me), it was NOT a hoax, nor a self-promo stunt - of that I am utterly convinced. To be sure, I would NEVER have participated in any fashion, had it been such."

So.

If it was not a hoax, then whatsizname is really and truly dead, yes? Just so we are clear: Having one friend tell all your other friends that you are dead when you are not is nothing at all like a hoax.

Ooooo-kay. Right.

Why is it that often, when these folks put fingers to keyboard, they just dig themselves deeper? Sheesh.

Edit: Kevin, just in case you find out later that you really are dead, can I have all your stuff?

I think this is part of the "duck and cover" scenario - see, since Humming Barf was in true FEAR for his LIFE and that of his FAMILY (of course, the person in question lives in Canada, the remote part and probably hasn't ever even been to Ohio...) that somehow this stunt was justified.

me, if I was truly afeared for my life I'd call the cops - not fake my own death.

but then, I have a brain.

NancyMehl
03-28-2005, 08:38 PM
First of all, it is hard not to get really angry about the stupid attack on the PA boards about Jenna. Isn't it funny that those who yell the loudest about "bashers" are, in truth, the real bashers? I've never really seen anyone "attacked" here - except PA, and those who lead this shameful company. But on the PA boards, watch out. I've seen people's names and reputations dragged through the mud with glee. Sometimes, the posters remind me of rabid dogs. Why? Because I think most of them know they're involved with a publisher they can't trust - and who will accept almost anything. They're angry. It's easier to attack someone else than to face the truth.

One other quick reminder: Recently, someone posted personal information about a PA author here. It was IMMEDIATELY removed - with the approval of everyone who saw it. When the same thing happened on the PA boards, their personal information stayed up for weeks. In fact, it may have been finally taken down only because of legal threats, although I cannot verify that.

I left the PA boards voluntarily when they went after Victoria Strauss. It was shameful - as were the subsequent attacks on C.E. Winterland and Ann Crispin. To be honest, I have no sympathy for any author who stayed on that board after those shameful episodes. One of them was "he who will not be named because he loves to see his name in print." Another was recently on the other end of an attack and should now understand how it feels, and one other person is still there, although her role as head cheerleader seems to have been taken over by someone else.

There are some things that are just wrong - and closing your eyes to it for your own profit or ego is shameful. I still feel that way - and always will. Now, that doesn't mean that there is anything that can't be forgiven. But to get forgiveness, you need to be mature enough to accept responsibility for your actions. The people I am thinking of have never done that.

If Kas wants to be here - his apology needs to go to Jenna. If she accepts it, then I'm all for his participation. But only upon those terms. If the people who were on the board during the attacks on Victoria, C.E., and Ann ever come here, I would not be willing to bring them into the fold unless they accepted responsibility for their parts in that disgraceful display.

As I write this, it is possible that Kas has already apologized, and my post will be "after the fact." (I've been interrupted 20 times while I've been trying to finish this!) LOL!

And...as far as Galoot being "he who....well, you know," that's impossible. Galoot's post are well-written - and they make sense. HB isn't capable of hiding his anger. I'm certain of that. That's why I join with others who have said this - but I'm as serious as a crutch. If you're reading this, HB, you really do need help. No joke. There isn't anything wrong with seeking assistance when you need it. I have - and I would guess there are many others here who have had to get help from time to time. I know you are a very unhappy man. You have a great imagination and the capacity for wonderful accomplishments. But your strengths are being lost in emotional upheaval. It doesn't need to be that way. Get help now so that your problems don't become your daughter's. I know what I'm talking about - from past experience.

Please, please go somewhere for help. I will keep you in my prayers.

Nancy

Kevin Yarbrough
03-28-2005, 08:38 PM
Jeff, if, and when, the truth of my demise is accurate then there wil be a big skirmish among my siblings. They will fight for all of my many cardboard boxes I live in, many of them are two stories with windows. I had a heater in one but it caught on fire. They will also be fighting for my copyright because the royalty checks are so huge that they will be able to buy more cardboad boxes.

If, and when, everything is done then you can have what is left. There might be a litter box I use? Litter is only slightly used.

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 08:41 PM
...is enough. And then some.

Some more choice morsels for our dear, departed friend Shemp:


Now, to quote a very wise woman....~He who shall not be named~ can get bent!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope the local mental hospital catches up with~he who shall not be named and the rest of his relatives soon. We need the streets to be made safe once again.
If nothing else it was a quick clever way to lose friends and respect. Question is now, was is worth it??
Oh, and in case you didn't get it, by not mentioning the mental midget's name, it won't repeatedly pop up on Google.
One last thing to say to Shemp if you're reading this: You're NOT funny! Your website is obscene! And shame on you for the horrid example you're setting for your innocent children.
They have to live with his enormous ego and lying heart everyday. Shemp, if youíre reading this, I hope you get the help you desperately need so your daughter doesnít grow up with out a conscience like you.
What wife would be on the phone and or computer just hours after her husband suddenly died to tell us about it. And...tell us, no cards, no flowers, no announcments etc. I was suspicious right from then on.
Sorry to say so but this is all a bunch of crap. I never bought it to begin with and I'm surprised that all of you did. This guy is sick and there are no excuses for what he did.
As for the great "I AM", you have chalked it with me. Hear the sucking noise of water in a sewer going down the sewer...it has your name on it.
I'm not really angry with anyone except that creep, but even though I was going to try to go to the campout, I won't go now. This whole thing it too far out for me
If you're a real friend to the mental midget, it would behoove you to be sure he gets the medical attention he so desperately needs.All I can add to that is Shemp, I wouldn't worry about any major publishers signing you, they'd probably be worried that you might "die" during a big book tour or something....

NancyMehl
03-28-2005, 08:43 PM
I am working on changing my username to something less disagreeable....I'm just not sure how to do it without uh, er, "killing off" myself and coming back as a new board user.

HEY!! THAT WASN'T FUNNY!!
Yes it was.


Hey I never said I was the brightest.... a little help here?

Sheesh. I'm starting to like you, Joe.

But I agree, a name change is in order.

Death to Joe Schmoe.

I think we should have a contest to rename Joe.

Any suggestions? :Shrug:

Nancy

Kevin Yarbrough
03-28-2005, 08:48 PM
Sheesh. I'm starting to like you, Joe.

But I agree, a name change is in order.

Death to Joe Schmoe.

I think we should have a contest to rename Joe.

Any suggestions? :Shrug:

Nancy
How about...

The Artist Formerly Known as Joe Schmo? You know, like Prince. We can call him....

Tafkajs

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 08:58 PM
...has very much added to the boards, and he has been pretty gracious when he or his motives have been questioned. I enjoy his posts, and hey Joe, if you want to use your current name, go for it, just know that everytime someone reads it there's going to be a connention to Shemp. Other than that, if you're comfortable with it, it's your business. I'm glad you post on our boards.


Bluto: Grab a brew. Don't cost nothin'.

Sher2
03-28-2005, 09:01 PM
I have just learned that our good friend and PA critic Kevin has passed on to the big publisher in the sky. I received an email from his 10 month old last night. Through all of the garbled words and drool I have deciphered this.

Kevin had been suffering from a huge boil on his a s s. He had been fighting it and refused to go see the proctologist. Last night, the boil burst. Kevin was in his favorite place, his crapper, when he went to wipe his a s s and accidently burst it. He bled out on the floor, his pants around his ankles with a picture of Joy in his hand. When they took him to the hospital they tried to revive him as he posted on the internet, downloaded porn, and made jokes about his condition. The doctors said it was a good sign that a dead man could do this and gave him a good prognosis. But alas, they were wrong. He was still gone and nothing they could do would bring him back.

Upon autopsy they found that the boil was only the size of a pimple but it had infiltrated the carotid artery. Never seeing anything like this before his body will be donated to science. His a s s will forever be permanetly displayed on the net for all the world to see.

It is said that his pony, Purple, will be the speaker at his mock funeral. Any donations can be sent to Purple since he will not be able to buy his own food or pay for internet bills.
I hereby propose a new forum rule. Anyone who claims to be dead has to show us the body. I do feel sorry for Purple, but I'm not buying any horse chow 'til I see the carcass. Pony up, Kevin.

Man, I sure hope I have a more dignified croaking than yours.;)

James D. Macdonald
03-28-2005, 09:02 PM
, I wouldn't worry about any major publishers signing you, they'd probably be worried that you might "die" during a big book tour or something....

I'm not sure I agree 100%, Ed. A sufficiently brilliant manuscript outweighs an awful lot of jerkitude.

robeiae
03-28-2005, 09:04 PM
And...as far as Galoot being "he who....well, you know," that's impossible. Galoot's post are well-written - and they make sense

Hmmm...

I guess I watch too many movies.

From "A Few Good Men"

First Lawyer (forgot his name!): For all you know, I could be Marcos!
Cruise: Are you...Marcos?
FL: No
Cruise: Well, I know I'm not Marcos...that's two down?

Sorry Galoot if you thought I meant it!

Honestly, I really don't know who anyone is, except myself.

Rob

reph
03-28-2005, 09:06 PM
I have just learned that our good friend and PA critic Kevin has passed on to the big publisher in the sky....

Upon autopsy they found that the boil was only the size of a pimple but it had infiltrated the carotid artery.
Kevin, if a boil on your behind infiltrated your carotid artery, I have to ask Ė WHERE was your HEAD?

Sher2
03-28-2005, 09:07 PM
...is enough. And then some.

Some more choice morsels for our dear, departed friend Shemp:

One word pretty well describes the depth and breadth of all that -- Wow! I don't know, I think the septic tank cleaners and the fumigators are going to be on the job for some time to come.

book_maven
03-28-2005, 09:13 PM
"the person in question lives in Canada, the remote part and probably hasn't ever even been to Ohio..."

Sheryl, you got it! This is exactly what has been rolling around in my brain all weekend. This person wrecked unbelievable havoc on the WritersWeekly forum a while ago. She or someone posted then that she lived in the outback of Canada.

Loooooooong way to Ohio, Shemp. Combine that with your alleged illness--the symptoms of which you know nothing about--and it must be said: You are not only dumb, you are in desperate need of psychiatric care.

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 09:15 PM
I'm not sure I agree 100%, Ed. A sufficiently brilliant manuscript outweighs an awful lot of jerkitude....as when I posted that I did so more out of still being p***ed at Shemp than I did out of a desire to be correct in my statement. You are absolutely right, so Shemp, if you can produce a brilliant manuscript you can still have a shot at literary greatness....

P.S. Jerkitude? I sorta like it, can I steal it for some potential future writings, Uncle Jim?


Bluto: Grab a brew. Don't cost nothin'.

cwgranny
03-28-2005, 09:19 PM
Kas said: I apologize for my ignorant indiscretions....When one is lulled to sleep by a sheep in wolves clothing, feels an allegiance to ones comrades, and fights for what they believe to be right, they can, and often do find they are wrong. Iíll admit that I was one of those people.

Okay, that was an apology of sorts and it's ultimately up to Jenna to decide if she's comfortable with it. There are, of course, two things that come with an apology when you've done something extremely skunky (and you did, Kas, you really did).

1. You have to listen to people tell you how they felt about it. It's only fair to them and it's only fair to YOU -- since you need to know. And the only correct response to how people FELT about your actions is -- you're right, what I did was d**d rotten. -- and then you just sit through the discomfort of knowing you made someone who is really nice feel really rotten. You don't get a "get out of listening" free card. You just don't. If you make a teeny little mistake, you might not have to hear any hurt feelings, but if you make a big honking hurtful mistake -- you darn well just listen and nod and accept that you did a crappy thing and listening is the logical result of that.

2. If you're a man of ethics, you look carefully and see if you can undo anything that you did. Maybe there really isn't one single solitary thing you can do. Maybe there is. I dunno. PERSONALLY -- I would probably use my last "just before banned" post to tell everyone that the stuff you said about Jenna was wrong and posted because you were IGNORANT and because you DIDN'T REALLY DO ANY RESEARCH. But...as I said, that's me. If I flung poop on someone, I would try to wipe it off.

Now...some folks don't want to do the second step. That's cool. It's a darn ego-bruising thing to do. And it wouldn't exactly endear you to the PA brotherhood. And probably Jenna would forgive you anyway -- she's a sweetie that way. But, well...it would still be the right thing to do.

But, honestly, you don't get to skip step number 1...you have to hear what the results of your actions were and you just have to suck it up that hearing it is uncomfortable. But, if you really do know that what you did was stinky, then it's something you'll recognize is only fair. And in the end, folks will trust you more here (since trust can be a fragile thing and it isn't something you can demand of folks).

On the GOOD side....you'll be setting an amazing example for an awful lot of folks and I'm betting there are some POP (prisoners of PA) who could be set free by the choices you make today. That's a powerful ability. I hope you use it wisely.

gran

aka eraser
03-28-2005, 09:20 PM
HB is reaping what he sowed. I can almost feel sorry for him.

Kas, you have a chance to show you're as big a man as Kevin seems to think you are. I'd hate to let a buddy down.

Jenna, you have hundreds of friends and thousands of admirers. You're blessed. Try to focus on that rather than the ill-considered words of a very, very few.

mdin
03-28-2005, 09:32 PM
The person in question--the one being accused of being that guy's stalker--has recently become a regular poster here at AW. Maybe we can get her side of the story.

Liam Jackson
03-28-2005, 09:43 PM
Jenna, what Frank said.

Frank, as for HB, I have no sympathy for anyone who employs such childish, malicious theatrics, then attempts to expalin it away as a "life-saving" measure or, worse, a "joke", and finally, an "publicity stunt. The sheep among the generally good hearted PA folk fell hook, line, and sinker for this walking/talking carny act, this wanna-be-master of self-promotion. \

While cynacism is human nature, so is the desire to believe and trust in something larger than ourselves. Old HB donned the mantel of Resident Pirate in Charge long ago, and the many of the PA folks followed along like he was the messiah. Again, leaders (good or bad) emerge, and people follow.

Reality can come as a swift kick in the ***, or in the manipulative guise of a false revolutionary leader. Either way, people will learn (or not) then move on to better things (or not.) The morally bankrupt has been exposed and life goes on. Better late than never.

Now, let's all write settle in and write some kick-*** books!

Sheryl Nantus
03-28-2005, 09:56 PM
you know, the saddest thing about all of this is that HummingBarf lost a LOT of good friends - they supported him despite his attacks on people and groups; stood by him as he lambasted everyone outside of PA and then helped him through the various personal crisises that he detailed in vivid posts on the board.

then he goes and pisses on them as if they were nothing.

if he were really being "stalked"; he could have posted on the private board that he was leaving or some such thang - private emails and the like. He could have done the Right Thing and called the authorities, since they seem to have better ways of dealing with cyberstalking than suggesting virtual death stories. He could have actually TOLD the boards that he had this problem.

of course, all indications are that he didn't and this poor person is being scapegoated for something that quite possibly didn't happen. I'm not going to say definitely not, since it is an odd world out there, but I find it highly unlikely, shall we say. VERY unlikely. To say nothing of belittling those who HAVE been victims of such happenings and now will have to battle even harder for acceptance and recognition of their case because of this crap.

so he wants to pull another huge publicity stunt - maybe he just wasn't getting the attention for his mass-signings at the Holiday Inn or he wasn't being hailed as Pirate Chief enough - so he dumps on all the people who actually gave a hoot about him. Trashes their feelings on a MAJOR religious holiday and turns a lot of their family gatherings into sad times. Stomps on their friendship and then turns around via his proxy with a lame excuse. He probably thought that he'd make a big appearance yesterday and bask in the glory and adoration and start another round of bashing because that's what makes up his pathetic life.

what a coward. When I started calling him that not too long ago I thought I might have been taking it too far.

now I see it's not far enough.

Literary Lola
03-28-2005, 10:01 PM
Ed, I'm letting you handle the welcoming committee for now. I need to go take a breather, because I'm finally understanding what some of my friends here have experienced.
http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/7434.htm
In that thread, a post started and perpetuated by kas caused me a lot of pain... and money,
Jenna, my heart goes out to you. No one should have to experience the filth that oozes from the open sores called Publish Anything. There are many of us who have been severly hurt by their lies. You are merely one of the latest victims. I send you my heartfelt condolences on behalf of the crap I and a friend of mine experienced a while ago. So been there, so done that.

As for this pathetic apology by Mark Wirtz, what a load. http://www.publishamerica.com/cgi-bin/pamessageboard/data/lounge/8517.htm
He thought he was saving lives? BWAHAHAHAHA!! I may puke on my pretty new Easter shoes. Hello? Earth to Wirtz, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE POLICE! Oh, wait, maybe they only believe the police are there to harass innocent PA authors. If this Mark guy was truly a sentient being he would have told HouseBoy to call the cops. He should be embarassed to show his face in public for all his stupidity.

Literary Lola
03-28-2005, 10:13 PM
Guys, a bunch of people are asking me about this, so I'll give a few more details, then let it rest.

Here's what happened after that thread:


<Major snip>"I told her she had pissed off 11.000 writers by calling them stipid."

LOLOL. Stipid? Is this some new gloss term and I missed the memo? Well, okay, maybe stipid is harsh. How 'bout, "You can't spell your way out of a paper bag?"

I don't normally pick on PA authors because they are unaware victims, but this person really needs to learn how to communicate effectively. Perhaps then someone will actually take them seriously. OTOH, maybe not.

Christine N.
03-28-2005, 10:13 PM
Ugh, isn't this thing over yet?? Valuable bandwidth is still being wasted on this loser?

He lied, he had a stupid reason for lying, and he's done as Easter ham. I've had a stalker, a real live one, and he lived not more than five miles from my house. Police took care of him, and I didn't even have to die. cool, huh? And if I were to fake my own death, I'd at least get the facts straight and not make it so outlandish as to not be believable. Shoulda KIS,S. Less is more, being a writer, you should know that!

JoeSchmoe, I feel bad that you had to get in the middle of it all. You can find a new name, or stick with the old one, whatever. You're alright.

Oh, and Kev... since Purple is an orphan now, he can come live with me. I'll feed him brownies :)

Ed Williams
03-28-2005, 10:15 PM
...lives in Canada and Shemp lives in Ohio. What bull****! I'll bet every BTO CD that I have that the following is pretty close to what really happened - Shemp probably tied a load on, and thought something like this would be funny - a classic Shemp routine, even better the second time around, and on Easter weekend, too. Got his spouse to think that it was funny as well. Even slipped the word to a couple of close buds and convinced them that it would be a rich prank to play. Executed said prank, only it wasn't a very well thought out one (remember, this is a person who had previously signed with a fee based literary agent and then with PA. I happen to think that he's just a pure, old fashioned dumbass), and people immediately started picking it apart. Despite this, Shemp wasn't worried, he figured he could probably come back and say it was all a joke, and his loyal supporters would still follow him. Well, it didn't quite work out that way, Shemp discovers that he's in rabbit poop up to his eyeballs, so he has to figure something out, and fast. Something that will both garner him sympathy and gain him favorable entry back into PA. So - guess what - he decides that he's been threatened! He did it to protect his family! How noble! (Why not just call the cops if you feel that threatened? His story has more holes in it than the Titanic).

This guy is just plain stipid, and maliciously stipid to boot. He has some serious mental issues, and anyone who would still take up his cause after this is pretty damn dense themselves.

On a personal note, I feel better - sometimes I need to let the naughtier side of Ed out, because I try really hard to be good for Jenna and the boards, and sometimes it becomes a truly heavy burden. I feel much better now, and the Nu-Way chili dogs I'm eating for dinner this evening will top things off perfectly....

P.S. And PA, where are y'all in all this? Why not a disclaimer on your index page disavowing all knowledge of this prank? Or can y'all honestly say that?