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firehorse
03-19-2005, 08:29 PM
How do you experience the world?

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is a personality test based on Jungian psychology. It measures four axes: introversion vs. extroversion; intuitive vs. sensing; thinking vs. feeling and perceiving vs. judging. The definitions of these traits are not the same as the common usage of these words.

If you know your type, please share! I'm an INFP, which puts me in the same category as Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes - or Walter Mitty. I like my dreaminess, but it can drive some of my more earth-bound friends crazy. Other INFPs are/were: Princess Diana, Mia Farrow, A.A. Milne, Laura Ingalls Wilder, Annie Dillard, James Herriot and supposedly, Shakespeare (though I've seen him listed under several types).

If you don't know your type, there's a test on Tickle.com (yes, I excel in the art of procrastination) called the Career Personality Test, which is a good approximation: http://web.tickle.com/tests/classiccareer/?test=classiccareerogt

If you can't decide on an answer, think back to before you were 12, and how you would have responded then.

I'm not plugging anything; I'm just curious. I've also found these type descriptions to be very useful in building characters and figuring out how characters interact. You can read more about types at http://keirsey.com/.

-Sarah

KellyS.
03-20-2005, 01:30 AM
According to the test, I'm an ISTJ.



That means that based on the standard measure of personality traits, you have a quiet determination and sharp mind — you're very focused and buckle down when it comes to work. You are the type of person one looks to in a crisis. While others may provide emotional support in a situation, your clear and logical thinking allows you to solve the problem at hand.

You are adaptable and can work independently or on a team. You are a careful thinker and get all the details before making any decisions. You don't jump to conclusions and stick with the facts provided. In other words, you're the go-to person for the real story, not the spin or gossip. While others may view you as a bit stubborn at times, they begrudgingly respect your ethics and straightforward approach.

The reason employers and recruiters might be on the lookout for you is that only about 7% of the U.S. population shares the unique characteristics of your personality type. Research shows that businesses succeed when employers create a good balance of personality types in the office. And since only 7% of the U.S. population shares your type, that means employers are looking for you.


Not sure I would agree with all of this. Thanks for the link.

sthrnwriter
03-20-2005, 01:33 AM
I'm an ENFJ. Meaning I'm the go-to person to get people motivated. I guess thats me. I try to motivate others if they need it or want it.

Anatole Ghio
03-20-2005, 01:43 AM
I am INTP. This means my type is interested in structure and theories... making writing one of the oddest interests I should have, as this is more of a scientific type than a creative one!

- Anatole

rhymegirl
03-20-2005, 02:34 AM
Thanks for this interesting thread! I'll have to go do the test and see how it comes out. (Although I already have a pretty good idea.)

Kate

firehorse
03-20-2005, 02:50 AM
The summaries on Tickle are more corporation-oriented; they probably won't really work for any writers. The Keirsey links (below) have more accurate descriptions with regard how each type experiences the world:

Artisans (SP) (http://keirsey.com/personality/sp.html)
ISFP (Composers) (http://keirsey.com/personality/spif.html)
ESFP (Performers) (http://keirsey.com/personality/spef.html)
ISTP (Crafters) (http://keirsey.com/personality/spit.html)
ESTP (Promoters) (http://keirsey.com/personality/spet.html)

Idealists (NF) (http://keirsey.com/personality/nf.html)
INFP (Healers) (http://keirsey.com/personality/nfip.html)
ENFP (Champions) (http://keirsey.com/personality/nfep.html)
INFJ (Counselors) (http://keirsey.com/personality/nfij.html)
ENFJ (Teachers) (http://keirsey.com/personality/nfej.html)

Guardians (SJ) (http://keirsey.com/personality/sj.html)
ISTJ (Inspectors) (http://keirsey.com/personality/sjit.html)
ISFJ (Protectors) (http://keirsey.com/personality/sjif.html)
ESFJ (Providers) (http://keirsey.com/personality/sjef.html)
ESTJ (Supervisors) (http://keirsey.com/personality/sjet.html)

Rationals (NT) (http://keirsey.com/personality/nt.html)
INTP (Architects) (http://keirsey.com/personality/ntip.html)
ENTP (Inventors) (http://keirsey.com/personality/ntep.html)
INTJ (Masterminds) (http://keirsey.com/personality/ntij.html)
ENTJ (Fieldmarshals) (http://keirsey.com/personality/ntej.html)

allion
03-20-2005, 03:25 AM
I'm INFP, and proud of it, although I do tend to have my head somewhere other than the present most of the time. My husband is ESTJ, which means he gets to be the logical, rational voice when I have my head in the clouds.

- Karen

KellyS.
03-20-2005, 03:38 AM
Ack! According to the links above, I'm suited to be a tax attorney. I demand a retake. I guess I could do that, huh? lol


Never trusted these tests to give me what I want. lol

maestrowork
03-20-2005, 03:53 AM
I fluctuate between INFP (Healer) and INTP (Architect). I'm skilled as an IT Architect but I write novels... interesting...

Moondancer
03-20-2005, 03:59 AM
Depends on what mood I'm in when I take it. Sometimes, I'm a INTJ. Sometimes I'm a ISTP. Sometimes I'm an ESTJ.Other times it tells me I have multiple personalities. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait! That's the MMPI that tells me that.



Seriously, I have yet to figure out why they continue to use those personality tests, the reliability and validity results are abysmal.

firehorse
03-20-2005, 04:09 AM
I fluctuate between INFP (Healer) and INTP (Architect). I'm skilled as an IT Architect but I write novels... interesting...
All of the axes are continuums (is that redundant?), so if you've developed the various functions (and, in archetypal terms, their 'shadow' functions), you might get a different result.

Except, apparently, for Moondancer, who either has MPD or is the most-balanced person on the planet ;).

NFs whose jobs require them to analyze a great deal can be mistaken for NTs. It's not as much about how well you think; it's about how you make decisions and perceive the world.

I haven't put this into practice with characters, but if you read the full descriptions (I haven't found them online yet, only in Keirsey's book), the conflicts are obvious. I get into fights with my best friend when I say, "I just know it; I feel it," and she'll say, "But where's the evidence?"

This is why I could never be a CSI.

reph
03-20-2005, 04:26 AM
We had a thread about this on the old board. I score as an INTJ (1% of the population), but not strongly so except for the J component.

Moondancer
03-20-2005, 04:41 AM
Now, if you are thinking to use it for character develop, I would not recommend it. One of the issues I have with the Myers-Brigg is the forced answers... that's why mine fluctuates with mood. Many of those questions can be considered situational and should be on a longer Lickert(sp?) scale. You'd be better off looking up the Jungian archtypes than using the Myers-Brigg. Give me a day or two and I'll see what I can dig up for you as far as archtypal descriptions ... it's been quite a few years. If I could remember the names of some of them...

maestrowork
03-20-2005, 04:45 AM
Oh sometimes I am also an ENTP.... like, after a case of beer...

Maryn
03-20-2005, 04:58 AM
A case? I'm still deeply envious of the 12% body fat...

Maryn, who drank a third of the bottle of wine at dinner and can't type worth a damn

reph
03-20-2005, 04:59 AM
Many of those questions can be considered situational and should be on a longer Lickert(sp?) scale.
Likert.

There are other reasons to keep the salt shaker handy when you look at your Myers-Briggs profile. For instance, some questions are hard to interpret. I think the test has some value, but I wouldn't base any big life decisions on it.

tjwriter
03-20-2005, 05:02 AM
According to Tickle, I am an INTP. I also found a Jung test on Human Metrics (http://www.humanmetrics.com/) that said I am an ENFJ. I like the descriptions there better and more in-depth.

BlueTexas
03-20-2005, 05:04 AM
I'm an ISTJ, same as the description for Kelly above. I pretty much agree with the general assesment.

I especially agree with this blurb about my 'type'. Interestingly, it says I would be a good Optometrist, and I work in the optical field :)

"Inspectors are not likely to take chances either with their own or others’ money, and the thought of a bankrupt nation, state, institution, or family gives them more than a little uneasiness. The idea of dishonoring a contract also bothers an Inspector —their word is their bond—and they naturally communicate a message of trustworthiness and stability, which can make them successful in business. With their eye for detail, Inspectors make good business men and women, librarians, dentists, optometrists, legal secretaries, and law researchers."

Dawno
03-20-2005, 05:23 AM
I consistently test as ENTJ. Yep, bossy and hyper-organized.

For the Trek fans amongst us there's a fun version of Myers-Briggs here (http://scifi.about.com/library/weekly/aa080201.htm).

firehorse
03-20-2005, 05:48 AM
And for Windows geeks, there's this:

We are all familiar with Windows-NT. It is a little known fact that Windows versions exist that are based on the other three temperaments: Windows-SJ, Windows-NF and Windows-SP.

Windows NT: you have got to love, you have got to hate it. The concept is great. You can drag and drop files across the globe, you can exchange information easily between programs and you can do any number of tasks simultaneously. The concept is great, but the devil is in the details. Some tiny detail will halt the computer and eat your work. If you are lucky, you get an incomprehensible error message just before that. Typical error message: Error 023: Fatal exception $0023 at address $E023.9F3B.

No problems like that with good old, dependable Windows-SJ. This operating will not crash. Period. It is built to last the way it came out of the box. In theory it is possible to add new hardware, but the hardware has to comply with very strict standards. The tiniest deviation will confuse Windows-SJ. Typical error message: Error 001: This is not how we do things around here. End of explanation.

Windows-NT and Windows-SJ both give error messages that are not 'user-friendly'. None of that with Windows-NF. No other version is that user oriented. Its error messages display genuine concern for user. On the down side, you cannot get past the built-in content filter, and helpful suggestions for downloading astrology programs. Typical error messages: Error 176: I am sorry, but I can't find that file. I hope this does not inconvenience you too much. Error 299: I cannot work like this. You do not love me any more.

Finally, there is Windows-SP. I am sure there was a point to its development, but it did not work out. Windows-SP has a fatal flaw: it only works when it wants to. Typical error message: Error 001: What do I care? Do it yourself.

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I love this, especially the NF: "I cannot work like this. You do not love me any more." :roll: Sadly, it's so, so true...

-Sarah

firehorse
03-20-2005, 06:05 AM
I'm still deeply envious of the 12% body fat...
Who's 12% body fat? I'm envious, too! :Jaw:

(been waiting for an excuse to use that icon)

Inspired
03-20-2005, 07:16 AM
I've taken this test a few times. This time I come up as an ISFJ. Parts of the description do describe me, but not completely. I don't fit into any of the completely, I guess.

I'm definitely different from when I took the test in early college!

Azure Skye
03-20-2005, 07:16 AM
INFP baby!:hooray:

WVWriterGirl
03-20-2005, 08:17 AM
INFP, too, and I consistently test this way. I've taken the test about four different times now, and always end up with INFP. The passage below was especially correct:

"Deeply committed to the positive and the good, yet taught to believe there is evil in them, Healers can come to develop a certain fascination with the problem of good and evil, sacred and profane. Healers are drawn toward purity, but can become engrossed with the profane, continuously on the lookout for the wickedness that lurks within them. Then, when Healers believe thay have yielded to an impure temptation, they may be given to acts of self-sacrifice in atonement. Others seldom detect this inner turmoil, however, for the struggle between good and evil is within the Healer, who does not feel compelled to make the issue public."

Yep, that's me, to a tee.

WVWG

jdkiggins
03-20-2005, 08:55 AM
ISFJ, the really helpful, team playing motherly type protector. :roll:

Now, I'm going to a different thread and :Ssh:

Joanne

Optimus
03-20-2005, 10:36 AM
Mixed results like people have been getting is one of the main reasons the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is regarded as highly unreliable with low external validity...aka "bullcrap."

:tongue

It's really fallen out of favor in the psych community, especially in the past 15 years. The new "hot" personality test is called the Big 5 Model (a similar test/construct is the Five Factor Model). I haven't taken it (because I don't need a test to tell me that I'm a douchebag), but it looks pretty solid and has high reliability.

Myers-Briggs is a fun party game, but that's about it.

jdkiggins
03-20-2005, 10:47 AM
Type Indicator is regarded as highly unreliable with low external validity...aka "bullcrap."

:tongue

It's really fallen out of favor in the psych community,.

Gee thanks, Optimus. :roll: You really had to say that after my post. ROFL
Yep, "bullcrap", just like me saying--Now, I'm going to a different thread and :Ssh:
:ROFL: :ROFL:
Joanne

Optimus
03-20-2005, 10:55 AM
:(


Oops. Sorry, I only scanned the first few responses - didn't even see yours.

I wasn't trying to mock anyone or their scores (the test in the first post measures your "career personality"...whatever that is...and the scores on it will differ from the real Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, anyway). It's neat - unless you get a score you don't like :D - but doesn't really give you a good reflection of who you are. At best, it barely scratches the surface and doesn't give people enough credit.

I'd just hate to see anyone take any kind of validation or discouragement from their score. But like I said, it's fun at parties, especially when you try to find the hotties who scored the same as you and convince them that it's fate.

Boy, my foot sure would taste better with some salt.

:gone:

jdkiggins
03-20-2005, 11:09 AM
:(

Boy, my foot sure would taste better with some salt.

:gone:

LOL. :Hug2: Man, I should have :Ssh: I thought sure you'd see me ROFL several times. My skin's a little thicker than that. Besides I am motherly and protective, I just suck at jokes. :Smack: and you're only allowed to have salt if you have popcorn to go with that foot.

Joanne

paprikapink
03-20-2005, 11:11 AM
If you really want to tempt fate, Optimus, find the hottie whose score is opposite yours. Then together you'll make a whole person.

My, that sounds rude. Didn't mean it to be -- it's just that that is how my hubbysan and I seem to operate. We took one of these tests in the party spirit and it was uncanny how exactly opposite we were. Where I was near the middle, he'd be near the middle the other way. Where I was at the extreme end, he'd be at the extreme the other way. And while I found the whole thing to be fascinating entertainment, he was rolling his eyes at the lack of scientific validity. I think it works for us because we share our fundamental values. We have different approaches, but we're pointed at the same goal.

Don't remember what my letters were. SEXY? No....LOUD? Nooo....oh yeah,

PKPK! :hat:

Optimus
03-20-2005, 11:40 AM
Aye, paprika. I found that "total opposite" girl who made me "complete" once, so I get what you're talking about. Check out my posts in the "For those of us with sexy minds" thread in Take it Outside and also my post in "What makes you smile" in this forum. I reference her in both.

:)

pianoman5
03-20-2005, 02:36 PM
Don'tcha love pigeonholes? They make the world so much easier to descry. Readers of certain popular magazines happily swallow the astrological principle of a mere dozen types of people, while Myers-Briggs suggests that human variability is 33% more complicated than that by conceding there may be as many as 16 types.

My own experience of humanity, however, suggests that a collection of n people contains n personality types. Well, that's not quite correct - any group generally contains at least 1.5n personality types, because so many of us have the chameleon habit of dynamically altering our personalities to suit the circumstances of the moment.

Dawno
03-20-2005, 10:15 PM
If, in the workplace, just one manager comes to truly believe that there really are different sorts of personalities he has to deal with instead of giving it lip service and continuing to act as if everyone is just like him, or that sometimes there are unplumbed depths to the guy who sits quietly in meetings but later on sends a very insightful email or memo, then whatever test you use was worth it. (I could go on and on with examples)

I was an HR manager at a high tech company (I'm now out of HR but with the same company in a different role) and that's how we used MBTI, to try and help managers who were great techies who got "stuck managing" to understand their staff better -- just opening the dialogue was the most important thing.

jdkiggins
03-20-2005, 10:44 PM
or that sometimes there are unplumbed depths to the guy who sits quietly in meetings but later on sends a very insightful email or memo,.

Yes, I agree. Some of the best work and ideas comes from those who sit in the corner and gather information. :Thumbs:

One of these days I'll figure out how to sit quietly and post something insightful. :ROFL: Yeah right! Can anyone see me sitting quietly?:snoopy:
Joanne

Moondancer
03-20-2005, 11:40 PM
You wanna know the best way to build characters for your stories? Get the Sims, either the original game or the newer Sims2. Make your neighborhood, pick your characters, then put them through their paces. You can have all kinds of variations from one 'family' to the next. A family can be one person to however many you wish.

No kidding.

Just be careful if you build things like bordellos... or put a computer hacker with a thief... or ...

Inspired
03-20-2005, 11:59 PM
[QUOTE=Moondancer]You wanna know the best way to build characters for your stories? Get the Sims, either the original game or the newer Sims2. Make your neighborhood, pick your characters, then put them through their paces. You can have all kinds of variations from one 'family' to the next. A family can be one person to however many you wish.
QUOTE]

Terrific! I have wanted that game for so long! Now, I can justify it! Thank you!

firehorse
03-21-2005, 02:50 AM
You wanna know the best way to build characters for your stories? Get the Sims, either the original game or the newer Sims2. Make your neighborhood, pick your characters, then put them through their paces. You can have all kinds of variations from one 'family' to the next. A family can be one person to however many you wish.
That's brilliant! And it makes the game tax-deductible! :Clap:

Moondancer
03-21-2005, 03:17 AM
That's brilliant! And it makes the game tax-deductible! :Clap:

I wish I had thought of that... I bought mine way before I started writing. I usually binge on the game for about a week, then stop, catch up on work. Then gear up for another binge. I warn you it can be highly addictive, too.

Fictionalizer
03-21-2005, 04:00 AM
INFP for me.

Here's a great description of an INFP

INFP Detailed (http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP.html)

jdkiggins
03-21-2005, 05:45 AM
I just took this test again to see if changed because of my mood.
Nope, I'm still the motherly, protective team player. I think it's broke.:Jump:

Joanne

Sarita
03-22-2005, 01:31 AM
INFP

This is pretty much me: INFPs are highly intuitive about people. They rely heavily on their intuitions to guide them, and use their discoveries to constantly search for value in life. They are on a continuous mission to find the truth and meaning underlying things.

But I don't think the whole description is me.