Getting ready to submit short, advice on this please

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

I just completed a short story, now ready to submit. Mag says you can submit on line or hard copy.

I was going to submit online AND send a hard copy as backup...

The rules state "No group entries". What exactly does this mean? Does it mean I can only do one or the other?

ETA: Sorry if I've put this question in wrong place, feel free to move, mods.

Thanks

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

Bumping gentle and also ETA: The magazine rules say they own all submissions. Does this mean even if you don't win, you never own your story again?

thank you

BlueLucario · Dec 23, 2007

Try submitting your story on SYW. And if you want to ask a question regarding this forum, I think you should go to the FAQ's thread.

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

BlueLucario said:
Try submitting your story on SYW. And if you want to ask a question regarding this forum, I think you should go to the FAQ's thread.

What does SYW have to do with my submit questions--reaches for more caffeine.

Mods, can you please move this to correct spot, if so needed.

thanks

Linda Adams · Dec 23, 2007

Kimmi - I think what they might mean is not to submit multiple submissions under one entry fee/entry form. Can you drop them an email and ask for a clarification? It may be that they don't realize that sentence is unclear.

Birol · Dec 23, 2007

kimmi said:
I just completed a short story, now ready to submit. Mag says you can submit on line or hard copy.

I was going to submit online AND send a hard copy as backup...

The rules state "No group entries". What exactly does this mean? Does it mean I can only do one or the other?

ETA: Sorry if I've put this question in wrong place, feel free to move, mods.

Thanks

Kimmi, don't submit both online and hard copy. Choose one and send it. Otherwise, you're just adding to their slush pile by submitting the same story twice.

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

Linda Adams said:
Kimmi - I think what they might mean is not to submit multiple submissions under one entry fee/entry form. Can you drop them an email and ask for a clarification? It may be that they don't realize that sentence is unclear.

Ahh, no they only have a little box to copy paste your story. Looked for a place...just wanting to back up with hard copy via mail, but I don't understand the group thing

. Also worried about them owning story if it didn't win, because I'd like to keep it--turn it into a longer fiction piece if it does nothing in contest.

thanks sweetie!

Birol · Dec 23, 2007

BlueLucario said:
Try submitting your story on SYW. And if you want to ask a question regarding this forum, I think you should go to the FAQ's thread.

SYW is for crits and is not pertinent to Kimmi's question.

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

Birol said:
Kimmi, don't submit both online and hard copy. Choose one and send it. Otherwise, you're just adding to their slush pile by submitting the same story twice.

Ohh, okay Lori, thanks! Wonder about that ownership thing, Lori--It's Hearst Corp?

swvaughn · Dec 23, 2007

kimmi said:
Bumping gentle and also ETA: The magazine rules say they own all submissions. Does this mean even if you don't win, you never own your story again?

thank you

Kimmi, is this a contest? Because that sounds like an exceedingly odd thing to say about submissions . . .

If it's a contest, you should definitely e-mail to ask if you'll be able to use your story for something else if you don't win. I think (don't quote me, though) that's a cover-our-butts rule for contests.

And, good luck!

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

swvaughn said:
Kimmi, is this a contest? Because that sounds like an exceedingly odd thing to say about submissions . . .

If it's a contest, you should definitely e-mail to ask if you'll be able to use your story for something else if you don't win. I think (don't quote me, though) that's a cover-our-butts rule for contests.

And, good luck!

yes it is a contest for large mag. I'm worried because as usual, I pressed the button, sumbitted online than scouged the details, and came across sentence "they own all submissions." If I didn't win, I'd like to turn into novel and give to my agent.

Arghh, I'm so impatient.

thank you and merry holiday! You too Lori, Linda and Blue!

Birol · Dec 23, 2007

Without seeing the exact wording, I could answer that question, Kimmi. It does give me pause, though.

stormie · Dec 23, 2007

Oh, kimmi, I hate that "they own all submissions." Geez. Bet it was in tiny, tiny font, too. Maybe you can take back the ms. somehow? Anyone know how this could be done? Or, if you can't, and you don't win (now, that would be a shame! Their loss.

) you could take the story and change it enough where you could turn it into a novel.

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

Birol said:
Without seeing the exact wording, I could answer that question, Kimmi. It does give me pause, though.

Can I pm that link, Lori.

stormie, thanks, I don't know and I heart the story as it was original in poem, then moved it forward. My ignorance though, I'll probably have to accept.

Birol · Dec 23, 2007

Why don't you post it here? I can't guarantee I'll have time to look at it and there's many knowledgeable people who might be around to weigh in.

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

Good idea. Here it tis.
No group entries. Sponsor reserves the right to request additional information from any entrant.

Entries become the property of Meredith Corporation, 1716 Locust St., Des Moines, IA ("Sponsor") and will not be acknowledged or returned.

MISCELLANEOUS: Winning submissions will have no right to review any future articles regarding this or any other contest, and Sponsor shall have all artistic control over and the right to cut, edit, add to, subtract from, arrange, rearrange and revise all materials submitted by entrants hereunder in any manner, without limitation, and entrants agree that Sponsor shall have the right to combine any of the materials supplied by them pursuant to the Contest, with such other material as Sponsor in its sole discretion shall determine, and further agrees that they shall have no right of approval, claim to compensation or benefits claim, including without limitation claims based upon invasion of privacy, defamation, or right of publicity arising out of any use of names or biographical and/or corporate information. Sponsor reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to reject, disqualify, modify, edit, and revise any entries, or related materials that are obscene, defamatory, profane, offensive, lewd, pornographic, false, misleading, deceptive, or otherwise inconsistent with its editorial standards, audience expectations, or reputational interests or that Sponsor believes may violate any applicable law or regulation or the rights of any third party.

Ol' Fashioned Girl · Dec 23, 2007

I ain't no expert, kimmi, but it looks like they've got the right to do whatever they want with entries - including collecting them all into a book and publishing it without paying the 'contributors'.

Bubastes · Dec 23, 2007

kimmi, is this for the Ladies Home Journal short story contest? I was thinking of entering until I saw the rules. I think that "no group entries" means no stories written by multiple people (like a single story written by a writing class).

My read: if you submit your story, they own it. Also, if you submit, they can use the story, your name, your photograph, and other information of yours for their own promotions without compensating you. You agree not to sue them for anything involving ownership or publicity of your story. You also agree to let them put you on their mailing list so that you can get junk mail from them and anyone else they sell their mailing list to.

Too many strings attached for me.

A snippet:
Except where prohibited by law: (i) submission constitutes permission to use the winners" entries, stories, name, hometown, voice, likeness, photograph, and any statements regarding this contest for editorial, public relations, promotional and advertising purposes on behalf of Sponsor without compensation; (ii) winners agree to assign all rights, title and interest, including copyright rights to Sponsor and agree to complete an Affidavit of Eligibility/Ownership, Release of Liability/ Publicity and Copyright Assignment within ten (10) days of notification, or the entry with the next highest scoring may become the alternate winner.

http://www.lhj.com/lhj/file.jhtml;j...omo/december2007/danielleSteel_rules&temp=yes

nevada · Dec 23, 2007

Reading those things you posted, to me it seems clear that it only refers to winners. Both sections start with a clear reference to winning entries. If you lose, your story is yours. All those things refer only to winning entries.

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

nevada said:
Reading those things you posted, to me it seems clear that it only refers to winners. Both sections start with a clear reference to winning entries. If you lose, your story is yours. All those things refer only to winning entries.

Ohh, that sounds good!

Little Red Barn · Dec 23, 2007

Ol' Fashioned Girl said:
I ain't no expert, kimmi, but it looks like they've got the right to do whatever they want with entries - including collecting them all into a book and publishing it without paying the 'contributors'.

Ohh, snappper crapper. arghhh! But here look Jen, I multi posted again! Happy dances

MeowGirl said:
kimmi, is this for the Ladies Home Journal short story contest? I was thinking of entering until I saw the rules. I think that "no group entries" means no stories written by multiple people (like a single story written by a writing class). Ahaha! so I could submit same story with a different ending, eh? Hmm...

My read: if you submit your story, they own it. Also, if you submit, they can use the story, your name, your photograph, and other information of yours for their own promotions without compensating you. You agree not to sue them for anything involving ownership or publicity of your story. You also agree to let them put you on their mailing list so that you can get junk mail from them and anyone else they sell their mailing list to.

Too many strings attached for me. Yuppers, so it seems, thanks confusing to say the least. Hmm, I wondering, just wondering if someone is needing ideas...:shrug: I thought such a huge corp, I'd be safe...

A snippet:
Except where prohibited by law: (i) submission constitutes permission to use the winners" entries, stories, name, hometown, voice, likeness, photograph, and any statements regarding this contest for editorial, public relations, promotional and advertising purposes on behalf of Sponsor without compensation; (ii) winners agree to assign all rights, title and interest, including copyright rights to Sponsor and agree to complete an Affidavit of Eligibility/Ownership, Release of Liability/ Publicity and Copyright Assignment within ten (10) days of notification, or the entry with the next highest scoring may become the alternate winner.

http://www.lhj.com/lhj/file.jhtml;j...omo/december2007/danielleSteel_rules&temp=yes

Thanks

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