"Si!" Viva Hugo!

William Haskins · Dec 2, 2007

take that, you sniveling capitalist swine!

CARACAS (Reuters) - Three cabinet ministers on Sunday said Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez won a referendum on whether he can run indefinitely for reelection.

The ministers, who asked not to be named, cited preliminary polling and electoral data.

Leftist Chavez is seeking approval in the referendum for a raft of constitutional changes to increase presidential powers, advance his self-styled revolution and consolidate a socialist state for the OPEC nation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSN0235721220071203

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

That's Illegal! They haven't made an official annoucement and they explicitly asked to the national and international media to NOT to say comments about the results until they actually realease it

William Haskins · Dec 2, 2007

yes, release of any exit polling in advance of the official vote count is prohibited by law.

tip of the iceberg, my friend. i'm very sorry for you and your people and wish you the best as this twisted fuck takes you down an ugly path.

be strong and be safe.

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/wor...tion-Glance.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

-- Lengthening presidential terms from six to seven years. Eliminating terms limits to allow the president to run for re-election indefinitely.

-- Redrawing the country's political map and allowing the president to handpick provincial and municipal leaders.

-- Allowing the president to declare a state of emergency for an unlimited period, as long as ''the causes that motivated it remain.''

-- Prohibiting large land estates. Allowing the state to provisionally occupy property slated for expropriation before a court has ruled.

-- Prohibiting foreign funding for ''associations with political aims.'' Critics warn this could be used to strangle human rights groups.

-- Creates three new classes of communal property, in addition to private and state property.

-- Establishing a socio-economic system based on ''socialist, anti-imperialist principles.''

-- Granting the president control over the Central Bank, which previously had autonomy.

-- Reducing the official workday from eight to six hours.

-- Reducing the minimum voting age from 18 to 16.

-- Creating a fund to pay social security benefits for the first time to workers in the informal economy, such as maids and street vendors

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/02/venezuela.constitution.ap/index.html

billythrilly7th · Dec 2, 2007

Putin "won" today too. Bad day for freedom and democracy.

SpookyWriter · Dec 2, 2007

That depends on which end of the banana you peel.

Bird of Prey · Dec 2, 2007

At 8:00 pm (0000 GMT Monday), no exit poll figures or official results had been released, even though voting stations had been slated to close four hours earlier.

The head of the country's National Electoral Council, Tibisay Lucena, said some centers were operating late into the night processing ballots from voters who had been lined up when the centers closed. Until that time, she said, no exit poll data would be released.

"We have to wait for the electoral results," Lucena said.

Polling firms contacted by AFP refused to give their post-ballot numbers until the voting was complete.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20071203/twl-venezuela-referendum-4bdc673.html

That's out of Singapore. I doubt there's been an exit poll. Reuters . . . . I'm very suspicious of unnamed sources.

billythrilly7th · Dec 2, 2007

SpookyWriter said:
That depends on which end of the banana you peel.

My banana is peeled at the exit only, buddy.

SpookyWriter · Dec 2, 2007

billythrilly7th said:
My banana is peeled at the exit only, buddy.

That's the conservative approach, yes?

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

Now they are stalling the results, they have promised to give. They have promised to realease a bulletin soon 3 hours ago. I think that they are gonna wait to 3 or 4 am to say the results (not the first time they have done it)

Here is a link to the English version of one of Venezuela's main newspaper El Universal

William Haskins · Dec 2, 2007

they were apparently authorizing closing voting centers 90 minutes early.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=77201

SpookyWriter · Dec 2, 2007

maxmordon said:
Now they are stalling the results, they have promised to give. They have promised to realease a bulletin soon 3 hours ago. I think that they are gonna wait to 3 or 4 am to say the results (not the first time they have done it)

Here is a link to the English version of one of Venezuela's main newspaper El Universal

What results were you expecting?

Bird of Prey · Dec 2, 2007

maxmordon said:
Now they are stalling the results, they have promised to give. They have promised to realease a bulletin soon 3 hours ago. I think that they are gonna wait to 3 or 4 am to say the results (not the first time they have done it)

Here is a link to the English version of one of Venezuela's main newspaper El Universal

Max, why do you think there was a high rate of nonvoting? Were people intimidated or did they not care or were there other reasons?

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

SpookyWriter said:
What results were you expecting?

Toucheé, mon copain. Now they say that they have 82% counted; on the past weeks the morale of the people have risen, but I am skeptical about this election. Quoting a famous book "You have never seen a dead donkey"

Picture of the president voting:

His former wife and youngest daughter voting:

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

Bird of Prey said:
Max, why do you think there was a high rate of nonvoting? Were people intimidated or did they not care or were there other reasons?

I consider that a lot of (opposition) people voted, but it was a matter of heart and not brain. There have been several protests these last days and this has risen the people's morale; there is also a bunch of public servants and people who lives by government pension that just voted to not loose their benefit (the government fired people who weren't with them a few years ago, around 3000 I think) and is no secret here the infamous Tascón List showing who voted for who and who didn't (it used to be online, I saw it myself, now you can buy it on the streets of Caracas for one US$)

There is the people like me that considers that this is just another set-up, they already know who is gonna win and that is just an show election, the only thing left is sit down, pray if you believe in something and try to continue with your life á la Good German

Bird of Prey · Dec 2, 2007

maxmordon said:
I consider that a lot of (opposition) people voted, but it was a matter of heart and not brain. There have been several protests these last days and this has risen the people's morale; there is also a bunch of public servants and people who lives by government pension that just voted to not loose their benefit (the government fired people who weren't with them a few years ago, around 3000 I think) and is no secret here the infamous Tascón List showing who voted for who and who didn't (it used to be online, I saw it myself, now you can buy it on the streets of Caracas for one US$)

There is the people like me that considers that this is just another set-up, they already know who is gonna win and that is just an show election, the only thing left is sit down, pray if you believe in something and try to continue with your life á la Good German

I don't know about that. Max. I would think that Venezuelans will oust Chavez in time.

I'm always amazed at how quickly power corrupts or maybe it's just fundamental to the psyche of ambitious political people in general. They want power, and once they have it, it's never enough.

billythrilly7th · Dec 2, 2007

Bird of Prey said:
They want power, and once they have it, it's never enough.

"Poor man want to be rich. Rich man want to be king. And the king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything."
Badlands
Bruce Springsteen

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

Bird of Prey said:
I don't know about that. Max. I would think that Venezuelans will oust Chavez in time.

I'm always amazed at how quickly power corrupts or maybe it's just fundamental to the psyche of ambitious political people in general. They want power, and once they have it, it's never enough.

Ojalá, Bird of Prey, Ojalá.

There is a video in youtube from 1998 that shows Chávez saying:

1) He will give power in 5 years OR LESS

2) He will respect private media and private companies, and even promote private media

3) Considers Fidel Castro as the poor sad last dictator in Latin America...

I highly recommend a Mexican movie called Herod's Law. A fable about how a good innocent man slowly become corrupted when he is named mayor of a small village

Now there are dozens of rumors circulating, they have just told me that Chávez's opposition won by 59,1% and this stalling is that they are preparing the rig to declare Chávez winner

William Haskins · Dec 2, 2007

the funniest (and not "haha" funny) part of all this is that the constitution he's seeking to change is his own goddamn constitution:

Doesn't Venezuela already have a new constitution?

Yes. President Chavez, who came to power in 1998, introduced a new "Bolivarian" constitution in 1999. He said the old one represented "the interests of the oligarchic sector".

But he now says more changes are needed to complete the transition to a "socialist republic".
The 1999 constitution increased the presidential term of office from five to six years and allowed a president to be re-elected once.

Under the previous constitution, the president could not be re-elected.
The 1999 constitution also introduced provisions for national presidential recall referendums, which means that Venezuelan voters have the right to remove their president from office before the expiration of the presidential term.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7119371.stm

Bird of Prey · Dec 2, 2007

William Haskins said:
the funniest (and not "haha" funny) part of all this is that the constitution he's seeking to change is his own goddamn constitution:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7119371.stm

All animals are equal. . . . .

William Haskins · Dec 2, 2007

i'm tellin' ya. the guy's fuckin' napoleon from animal farm.

DamaNegra · Dec 2, 2007

maxmordon said:
I highly recommend a Mexican movie called Herod's Law. A fable about how a good innocent man slowly become corrupted when he is named mayor of a small village

Hahahaha "La ley de Herodes: o te chingas o te jodes." (Herod's law: either you're fucked or you're screwed)

Excellent film

A very, very accurate portrayal of how power corrupts.

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

William Haskins said:
the funniest (and not "haha" funny) part of all this is that the constitution he's seeking to change is his own goddamn constitution:

This is not the first time that this has be done in Venezuela, classical old-school Caudillo ruled here from 1908-1935, changing constitution 7 times, sometimes he got bored from being president and left one of his secretaries as president while he rested in his property as "Commander of the armies"

Another funny thing that is no hahaha thing is the fact that Chávez always denounce the old electoral system, calling it corrupt and not letting hear the people's voice but ironically... he won in this system...

maxmordon · Dec 2, 2007

Something is happening, seems that are finally going to say the first official annoucement, I will keep you all informed as soon I know something new

SpookyWriter · Dec 2, 2007

Wake me up when it's over.

"Si!" Viva Hugo!

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