MRI Results - How soon?

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Let's say I have a character going in for an MRI. He is filthy rich so the hospital is paying very good attention to him, and as it so happens he has a brain tumor.

I have two options I'm playing with and I want to know how plausible both of them are.

1) He gets his MRI in the early afternoon and gets a call from the doctor that evening. (In this case the tumor would be big, fat, and obvious.)

2) He gets his MRI but the doctor (who is nervous about screwing up with the rich guy) tells him he wants to consult with someone else before saying anything. In this case they would get back to him within about 5 days.

Are either of these workable?
 

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Just had an MRI. The technician "can" tell you immediately what it shows. I read a blog recently where a person was told that she had a brain tumor at the MRI clinic. In fact, they even told her they believed it was cancerous.

The doctor had the MRI the next day.

My MRI was for my foot. I had to pick up the pictures and take them to my doctor. My appointment was about a week later. I was told that sometimes the pictures can be sent through the computer. But, the doctor would rather see the films themselves because they're clearer.

Hope this helps. <S>

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My MRI results (brain scan) were read by my doctor the day after my test. However, I believe that he had the results the day of the test. I received a call from him the day he read the test and he sent the results to me within the week.

Just a thought, I don't see a doctor telling a patient nothing except that they want to consult with someone else before reading the results. At the very least an "inconclusive test". If you are talking about an MRI on the brain, it would should have come through a neurologist anyway. It just doesn't ring right for me, but that is just me. :) Hopefully someone else with more experience can tell you if it is a plausible scenario.
 

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I have one done on an annual basis. I get it done at City of Hope which is a big cancer research center here in L.A. They do the scan and within an hour I talk to the oncologist. If he is at a hospital, this is how it's usually done. A doctor will send a patient to an MRI lab to have it done and it might take a bit longer, but in the case of something that drastic, they're not going to have him wait five days.
 

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My recent MRI was read immediately by my doctor and then later that afternoon by a specialist.

And I'm not even rich.
 

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I've had several brain scans, which I absolutely loathe. The first time they gave me an informal diagnosis ('only' a stroke, as opposed to the brain tumour they'd feared) within half an hour, the neurologist informing me 'officially' several days later. Since then, I've always been informed of the results by the neurologist within a few days.
 

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I've had loads of MRI scans this year, because of a lump on my skull bone, just above my left eyebrow. I won't let them operate on it, I only have the scans to see if it's growing or not.

The radiologist does the MRI scans and doesn't tell you anything, but he does decide if the lump needs operating etc., on quickly. The radiologist's report goes straight to your consultant and then it's down to him/her to tell you when you're going to be operated on and what they suspect it is.
You could be told that very day and then taken in for the procedure.



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It wasn't unusual for me to tell people the same day, but then I read the scans myself. Sometimes I'd consult with another MD but most of the time not although I still would read the report when it finally arrived a week later just as a double check. Sometimes the scans would get lost in the XRay dept and so sometimes it did take up to a week to find them.
 

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The MRI tech should NOT be telling the patient any diagnosis!

Unless they are also the doc who ordered the MRI, of course.
 

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Okay, so that means I'm going with scenario #1, since most of you got very-quick feedback. Good! That works out best for my plot. :) My patient is severely agoraphobic, so he's going to want to get home ASAP, results or not. He's not going to be able to stand there and hear whatever the doc has to say even if the results are immediate. So I think finding out that evening is reasonable.
 

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I've had an MRI done and taken home the results 20 min later on a CD. If things are clear that's it, if not, the Dr will have you come in and discuss options--timeline depends on the Dr's schedule and the patient's influence on the Board of Directors. :}
 

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Just to clarify- The MRI tech runs the MRI. It comes up pretty fast on his monitors, especially with the new technology.

Now, I believe the MRI tech will evaluate for too much movement and possibly advise you if it will have to be done again. (Its been years since I sat around behind the scenes of the 'radiology' department (ie- diagnostic imaging)

The tech sends it digitally to the radiologist who is down the hall with his radiologist buddies in the reading room (again, with modern equipment anyways). Depending on whats being scanned the MRI may be printed off as someone said, but digital is very handy technology now-a-days.

The radiologist reads it, records his findings (some hospitals have a central recording station so they can just dictate), and then I have no friggin clue (in terms of personal experience) what happens next as I never asked. Results in a few (say 2) hours is not at all unreasonable if the hospital wishes to prioritize mr-rich-guys results. Very easy to go from tech-to radiologist- to refering doc. Doc might even be able to walk down the hall and consult with the radiologist before calling rich guy, all in the space of a few minutes.

Never understood why anything would take days, except for understaffing.
...and triage. Gotta diagnose those 10 people dying of something before you get around to the guy that walked in and walked out...
 

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I guess my experience is atypical. I got the results by mail, I think it was about a week and a half after the MRI. But, the MRI didn't show anything (I guess if there had been something, they would have got in touch with me sooner) plus I didn't have health insurance, so I was probably at the bottom of their list of priorities. And, my doctor lived about 50 miles away from the place where I'd got the MRI.
 

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I'll bet the nature of the results affects the reporting. After various 'scopes and 'grams I've had, the technician has given me a quick thumbs-up and then you wait for the doctor's official all-clear. I suspect if the news was bad or uncertain, the techs would keep quiet. It's pretty much folk-wisdom where I live that if the mammogram is all clear you get a letter directly from the testing labs, while if there's any doubt your doctor will call you in and 'discuss' it is person.
 

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I worked for a neurosurgical practice for 4 years, and I'll share what I have learned about brain MRIs that may be helpful. I know I'm late to the game, but I have personal experience in the field, and hopefully can give you some good info!

As the neurosurgeon's assistant, I could order MRIs ASAP, and send the patient straight from the office to the hospital for their scan. It didn't matter whether the person was rich or didn't have insurance--we made sure everyone got the appropriate care for the severity of their problem and brain disorders are a #1 priority. But I won't lie--friends of the surgeon (or family, whatever) do get VIP treatment.

Once the scan is done, the pictures were put up on the radiology intranet, so the doctor could access them immediately from his computer when they were complete. I can't tell you how many times I've sat at a computer waiting for results, or even stayed late at the office waiting for scan results so I could page the MD and let him know they were finished. The system our hospital uses is outstanding, and the pictures were even better than a film. Sometimes they allowed the doctor to adjust the settings (like light, contrast, and zoom) to get a better look. Pretty cool!

A physician can order a STAT read from a radiologist. The radiologist can either dictate his/her report ASAP and have it posted on the intranet, or the physician can request to have the radiologist do a "wet read" over the phone. A wet read means the rad pulls up the films and discusses the results them over the phone with the ordering physician, and if necessary, they can hold the patient while this happens just in case more tests are indicated. Routine results, which I consider annual tests, are sometimes mailed out because they're not urgent. If the patient has questions, they are encouraged to call back, of course.

Neurosurgeons are experts in their field. A lot of time they don't need a radiology report to confirm what they see, but legally they do need it, especially if the patient is going to have surgery. I have also witnessed several instances of the neurosurgeon calling up the radiologist and correcting the radiologist's interpretation (to be a fly on the wall during those conversations!). Usually a neuroradiologist reads the brain and spine reports because they have specialized in that field, but in a pinch the on call rad can read them. We are lucky to live in a fairly urban area, but smaller cities may not have this access, unless they are part of a bigger telemedicine project.

If your patient is an agoraphobic, something interesting you might want to consider is the possibility of claustrophobia. A brain MRI requires a special "halo" to be put over the head during an MRI, which from personal experience, makes it feel even tighter in there. We have prescribed 10mg of valium for light claustrophobics, but in severe cases, the patient needs a partial or general anesthesia. But if this is the case, he would need a driver to take him home, and if he had anesthesia, he would need to be in the operating room recovery (PACU) until he could be cleared to go home. And if that's the case and you want the results fairly quickly, that might give the physician time to meet him to give him the results in person.

As far as a tech reading the results or giving the patient the results, this is soooo against the rules! They are not supposed to do anything but tell you to follow up with your physician, and they're not even supposed to tell you how long it takes to get the results because it varies so much and so many people are involved. They may be able to look at your scan and see if there is a brain tumor (or not) but their associate degree does not give them the qualifications to read them like a person with an MD can. They can miss things like a pituitary enlargement or vascular problems that aren't as discernable as a tumor.

I know this is long, sorry! Please feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
 
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Black Violet is right. Also in the digital age the radiologist might be in a cabin at a hunting lodge if (s)he's set up the hardware to recieve stuff. They need not be on site (although most certificates of need dictate that some physician is on site to deal with potential problems like allergeric reactions). The general rule is to trust a neurosurgeon's opinion of the film if (s)he ordered it because they have specialized in reading those particular areas of film wheras the radiologist is a jack of all trades. Also the Neurosurgeon is going to already know the patient's history whereas the radiologist is reading the films blind usually. A normal interpretation might be abnormal given a certain history. As a surgeon it is very common to be in surgery and acting on the films before a radiologist even sees the films.

Those little cd's with the information on it sound better than it really is. Usually what happens is if you take the cd to a doctor who doesn't work out of that hospital or doesn't have a terminal set up by the hospital then they can't enlarge the films or play with the contrast so they become fairly meaningless when you need a magnifying glass and still have trouble making things out. The reports are reduced to hearsay and the films are unreadable. (The first lesson you are supposed to understand in interpreting films is, "Don't interpret what is uninterpretable") The hospitals orchestrate the software soas to be incompatible unless they buy the software off the shelf which would be better for the patients. That's why when your local doc sends you to the University they will repeat the scan
 
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What Black Violet said.... BIG TIME>>>>>> The tech guys and radiologists are good, but by know means perfect... I was diagnosed with a pacreatic cyst which as most everyone knows if cancerous is usually pretty bad.. I lived in terror while two more mri's were diagnosed the same way.. My gp sent me to a Gastrointestinal surgeon who looked at the results and called into question all 3 mri's. He immediatly scheduled a Cat scan with the die test, that showed I indeed had a cyst, on my adrenal gland that was benign and shrinking... I was so pissed at myself for not getting to the surgeon earlier, hell I was already making departure plans.... By the way after that I decided to write my book... I was totally motivated to LIVE!!!!!!!!! I"M ALIVE"" (not quite young frankenstein)
 

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Also in the digital age the radiologist might be in a cabin at a hunting lodge if (s)he's set up the hardware to recieve stuff.
Or in Australia. A fair number of hospitals now outsource at least some of their radiology reporting to around the globe. This is particularly the case at night, when it's day in Australia. Everyone reading the films needs to be board-certified by the US radiology board, though. I've dealt with this situation quite a bit and it is not optimal, believe me. I assume it saves someone money somehow.

As George says, radiologists are broadly trained but not necessarily expert in what they are looking at. For example, in my own field of pediatric critical (intensive) care, I virtually always ignore completely what the radiologist says about a small child's chest x-ray and read it myself. The irony of this is, whereas the radiolgist is paid for his or her next to useless interpretation of the film, I am not.
 

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*facepalm*

I forgot one thing...most tumor surgeries require an ADDITIONAL MRI scan to mark for the tumor prior to surgery. It's a scan to place fiducial dots to help the surgeon with the placement of the tumor, and I believe it's done pretty much 100% of the time unless there's a life-threatening emergency.

In the past, the tech would have to shave the hair before they placed the dots, but my understanding is that recently they have figured out a new technique that doesn't require this. Of course the surgical area is going to be shaved anyway, but usually the fiducial MRI is done 24 hours in advance, so the poor patient had to walk around with stickers that look like a bunch of lifesavers and bald spots.

Anyway, if you need more information about this I'm sure you can just google it and get what you're looking for. But it's probably not something you'd want to skip over if your patient is going to have a craniotomy.