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Good Word
02-23-2005, 03:57 PM
I want to make this board a happening place. Any suggestions?
What would you like to see here that can support your writing?

Lisa

Maryn
02-23-2005, 06:37 PM
What would I like to see (since it's all about me, of course!)?

I find that writing in this genre requires research and connections I don't have. Many times I find I need a quick answer that any professional would know for my thriller to proceed--but I don't know those professionals. Sometimes after some searching, you can find one online, but wouldn't it be terrific to have those URLs collected here for our use?

I would make use of websites or emails where writers are welcome to ask questions of:

coroners/medical examiners
emergency room doctors and/or nurses
EMTs or other ambulance personnel
doctors
attorneys, particularly criminal attorneys and DAs
police detectives
private detectives
gun experts (hi, katdad!)
historians
forensics scientists
forensic anthropologists

...and that's just off the top of my head!

I've pestered the few nurses I know enough that they probably dread my calls, but when I needed to know some ailment that might be mistaken for a heart attack, I got my answer in minutes. Wouldn't it be great if all my quick questions could be dealt with so quickly?

I'd love to assemble a list of professionals willing to give short answers to our short questions.

Maryn, who's been asking a lot of physics questions for her WIP

maestrowork
02-23-2005, 07:16 PM
I think we should use this space to practice killing people... after all, it's an important skill for writing mystery/suspense/thriller.

Who wants to kill whom first?

Good Word
02-23-2005, 10:01 PM
C'mere, Maestro...and help me sharpen my scissors...mwaahahahahhaaa

Maryn
02-23-2005, 11:57 PM
"Who wants to kill whom first?" Gee, I've killed the same small handful of people so many times in my writing that it no longer brings me the satisfaction it once did.

Anybody done anything hateful? I'm not out of ideas by a long shot...

Maryn, who may stop killing Jeff and Esther eventually

katdad
02-25-2005, 01:45 AM
I'm okay with this section much as it is. We mystery writers seem to find some good help here, and we have our feedback.

Here is one suggestion -- I'd like to post a few excerpts of my writing (and others post them here) that are specific to mystery writing (or thrillers, etc.)

If we post in the "share" section they may get swamped by other stuff. In this section they are specific to the genre.

Maryn
02-25-2005, 07:16 PM
I'd be fine with genre-specific excerpts here. I'm barely qualified to give meaningful input to a great deal of what's posted at Share Your Work, but mystery, suspense, and thrillers I know.

Maryn

clotje
03-01-2005, 01:34 AM
Puts her ear to the ground. I believe I heard someone calling for some useful links?!?!?

Here are some of my favourites:

www.dvshop.ca/dvcafe/writing/crime.htm (http://www.dvshop.ca/dvcafe/writing/crime.htm)

www.crimelibrary.com (http://www.crimelibrary.com)

www.met.police.uk (http://www.met.police.uk)

Have fun!

Good Word
03-01-2005, 06:20 PM
...about posting work here.

I can totally see why you'd want to, but I don't want to set a precedent for people to start posting work in all the threads, which is one of the reasons I think SYW was set up in the first place.

It certainly would liven up the board a bit.

So I'm checking on it, will let you know soon.

Lisa

Maryn
03-02-2005, 01:57 AM
Just a quickie FYI--Joe at Screenwriting has a poll going where, so far, the screenwriters would also like to share their work with their peers rather than use Share Your Work, where feedback comes from writers of every stripe, including many who don't know the genre's requirements.

Makes me wonder if such a discussion is going on in every genre!

Maryn

three seven
03-02-2005, 02:38 AM
Would it not be adequate to place an anouncement here that you'd posted work in SYW? That way those who, like me, don't tend to browse the genres will still get a chance to see it. There seem to be a lot of people who make their home in one area of the board and don't stray too far from it, so it makes sense IMO to let as many people as possible know that the work's there if they want to read it.

http://www.geocities.com/thingumybobwotsit/idea2.gif

Speaking of which, I've got some stuff up in SYW. Just in case you're one of those genre browsers and haven't been over to check it out yet...
http://www.geocities.com/thingumybobwotsit/thumbsup.gif

maestrowork
03-02-2005, 03:33 AM
Personally I think creating a sub-SYW for each genre could be too much, but if it's helpful, it should be considered.

Meanwhile, you can still post your work in SYW, then post a link here to point people to it. Also, in SYW, you should probably put the genre in the subject line (next to the rating) so people would have an easier time looking for them. Something like:


EMERALD KING (Fantasy, PG13) Chapter 1
DIE YESTERDAY (Mystery, R) Prologue

or

Fantasy: EMERALD KING Chap 1 - PG13
Mystery: DIE YESTERDAY Prologue - R

Good Word
03-02-2005, 03:45 PM
The poll you saw in screenwriting came out of the question about posting work in the different forums. It sparked a pretty good discussion between the mods.

So, for now, anyway, the consensus is to continue to post in SYW, in the manner that Ray mentioned above, but announce it here (and post a link to it if you 'd like).

That way folks won't have their work slip through the cracks, like three seven.

Maryn
03-02-2005, 08:01 PM
That seems like a perfectly reasonable approach, Good Word.

Remember, I'm missing the tech gene (give generously at the next telethon)--to post a link I just copy and paste it into my request on this board for mystery people to visit my excerpt at Share Your Work?

(How do people make the links that say something else, not just the URL, like an underlined [active link] "here's my story"?)

Maryn

maestrowork
03-02-2005, 08:59 PM
Type in the text you want to show up: Please beat me.

Select the text.

Click on the "insert link" icon.

Enter the URL, and click ok.

Voila:

Please beat me. (http://absolutewrite.com/forums)

MacAllister
03-02-2005, 10:46 PM
Okay--I've put up a piece to tinker with word choice, tone and pacing, as an experiment for the horror room (they've expressed an interest in that sort of thing)

Since horror and mystery share a lot in common, in terms of creating tension and shivers--I thought I'd invite ya'll to come play.

The piece we're going to take apart is here (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8578).

Maryn
03-02-2005, 11:29 PM
Thanks, maestrowork. Even I can understand that.

Maryn

Maryn
03-02-2005, 11:33 PM
Macallister, I've dutifully copied it to fuss with this evening, when the internet will have been wrested from me.

If I do it now, I won't get any WIP work done today!

Maryn, who really should be shoveling snow. Again.

Good Word
03-03-2005, 12:57 AM
for sharing your work:

It's perfectly acceptable (and perhaps preferable) to post your work in SYW, then come back here (to the thread you started, announcing your work) and place your comments here.

That way, you get the genre-specific comments, and also comments from folks who may otherwise not have seen your work, had we only decided to post on this board.

This an experiment and we can tweak things as we go, as long as it works for the greater whole as well.

Betty W01
03-03-2005, 01:13 AM
One place you can start finding some of what you were looking for is a really-dry-but-information-filled book called Making Crime Pay: The Writer's Guide to Criminal Law, Evidence, and Procedure, by Andrea Campbell.

MacAllister
03-03-2005, 09:15 AM
The conversation about the posted story (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8578) has started here (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8549)--feel free to jump right in. :)

Maryn
03-04-2005, 01:58 AM
One place you can start finding some of what you were looking for is a really-dry-but-information-filled book called Making Crime Pay: The Writer's Guide to Criminal Law, Evidence, and Procedure, by Andrea Campbell.My birthday list is going to be long this year!

Maryn, feeling her age today

Good Word
04-19-2005, 06:21 AM
There are sub-categories now in SYW for posting, including the mystery category. SO if you are interested, you can post there and announce here so folks can have a look-see. There are a couple of posts there now...

Julie Worth
04-19-2005, 06:34 AM
I think we should use this space to practice killing people... after all, it's an important skills for writing mystery/suspense/thriller.

Who wants to kill whom first?

I kill off a literary agent in my latest book. Her name will be the name of a real agent--the one who sends me the most asinine rejection.

preyer
05-05-2005, 08:15 PM
oo, JW, i'd really refrain from doing that. using a real agent's name might have some repurcussions. a reader is smart: if they know a victim is a real person, they'll connect the dots there. maybe the agent deserves it, but it makes the author seem vindictive. were i an agent and someone used my name for a victim, i'd not likely be flattered. indeed, having no way to make a counterpoint, i might even find some legal recourse. personally, i think something like that is very, very risky: you invite trouble. on the surface it's pretty cool, but then you should realize you're toying with a person's livelihood and people tend to take that rather personal like. i just don't want to see anyone get black-balled. i mean, were i an agent knowing that you used another agent's name in a negative manner in a book, how much of an incentive is that for me to invite you into my professional world? not much, lol. especially in a setting where reputations mean so much (i assume), i'd just tread lightly. i doubt you'd be dodging any bullets using a pen name, either.

that's just me. i like killing off a literary agent, but just not using their real name unless you get their permission first. :)

celticsinner
05-10-2005, 10:33 PM
I'm just finishing my outline and have my research completed for my WIP, The Hoboken Ferry. It's got the usual gore - murders, disappearing bodies, shootings, stabbings, an errant, missing finger and so forth.
Because there are a lot of forensics involved, I thought to investigate the field. Not enough time to go through a full course at George Washington U. or other good forensics school. Spotted an event at my local B & N store and attended a pitch by writer D.P. Lyles, MD. who wrote "Forensics For Dummies," a great primer. He was also very forthcoming on resources.
Also check out your local library for some hard core non-fictions that have helped me in this particular WIP; 'Hard Evidence; How Detectives Inside the FBI's sci-crime lab have helped solved America's Toughest Crimes' (David Fisher, Simon & Schuster, ISBN 0671793691); 'Death's Acre: Inside the Legendary Forensics Lab The Body Farm, Where the Dead do tell tales' (Dr. Bill Bass, Putnam, ISBN 0399151346); and Corpse: Nature, Forensics and the Struggle to Pinpoint Time of Death (Jessica Snyder Sachs, Perseus, ISBN 073820336X).
I have a few viable websites I use; will pass them on later.
Celtic Sinner

Maryn
05-11-2005, 12:46 AM
Thanks for sharing the specific resources you've found helpful. Nice to have you join us here!

Maryn

Begbie
07-20-2006, 12:04 PM
I've been a criminal defense attorney for several years. Feel free to add my email address: autumn0905@aol.com

Begbie

Soccer Mom
07-28-2006, 03:44 AM
I play for another team in the same sport. Career prosecutor. Nice to meet y'all. I don't mind PM questions.

MarkEsq
07-28-2006, 06:04 AM
I play for another team in the same sport. Career prosecutor. Nice to meet y'all. I don't mind PM questions.

I'm a prosecutor, too. :) Nice to meet y'all. And questions are welcome here, also.

Ordinary_Guy
07-28-2006, 09:30 AM
Fascinating crowd. No legal connection here, though – I work in television (and half my friends work in movies). Any "behind the scenes" questions, feel free to ask.

JDCrayne
09-06-2006, 04:21 AM
Nice collection of experts! I'll remember that, and thanks for the offers of help I write a series about a small town cop, and they're sort of police cosies, if you can imagine that. Not at all serious, and I wing most of it. When Charlotte MacLeod died, taking her zany mysteries with her, I decided that was a niche I could fill. They're fun to write, and I don't expect anyone to think that they're honest depictions of real police procedure.

soloset
09-06-2006, 06:36 PM
When Charlotte MacLeod died, taking her zany mysteries with her, I decided that was a niche I could fill. They're fun to write, and I don't expect anyone to think that they're honest depictions of real police procedure.

Okay, I'm going to have to confiscate your books now. Hand them over, with a nice cup of tea and some nutterbutters. I promise not to dogear them. Much. :D

Oh, and have you read Paula Gosling's Jack Stryker series? Very light, very funny police procedurals.

(I was going to say something on topic but I can't think of anything right now.)

JDCrayne
09-07-2006, 02:16 AM
Oh, and have you read Paula Gosling's Jack Stryker series? Very light, very funny police procedurals.

(I was going to say something on topic but I can't think of anything right now.)
No, I haven't read the Gosling books! Thanks for the pointer, I will look for them. As for livening up the board, how about favorite means of murder? I tend to wack people over the head. I hit the last one with a tire iron and left his carcase to be found at the foot of the cellar stairs. All of that messing around with doses of poison and bullet trajectories gives me the pip. Let's hear it for the good old fashioned blunt instrument!

soloset
09-07-2006, 06:09 AM
Definitely do, I think they're mostly out of print now. Go for the Stryker books or Hoodwinked. That's set in the same universe and features a detective who is cheerful, good-looking, and so accident prone it'll make your teeth hurt.

I've always liked the idea of a leg of lamb, cooked and eaten afterwards to destroy the evidence. Hmmm..... looking in my fridge, it'd be death by chicken, although, the way I've been cooking lately I might not even need to swing. ;)

JDCrayne
09-07-2006, 06:43 AM
Definitely do, I think they're mostly out of print now. Go for the Stryker books or Hoodwinked. ...

I've always liked the idea of a leg of lamb, cooked and eaten afterwards to destroy the evidence. Hmmm..... looking in my fridge, it'd be death by chicken, although, the way I've been cooking lately I might not even need to swing. ;)
*GRIN* Yeah, the frozen leg of lamb was one of Hitchcock's best. The wonderful twist with that was that she invited the detective to dinner. I think there was a Hitchcock episode where someone was stabbed to death with an icicle too, or maybe I read that in hardcopy. Bopping someone with a frozen chicken would be pretty good. (Aha, we're back to the blunt instrument again.)

The only bookstore we have in town is a used book emporium, but they have a LOT of mysteries. I'll look for Stryker.

Michael Murphy
08-20-2007, 08:04 PM
A year ago my wife and I attended an eleven week Citizens Police Academy put on by our local police department. Once per week, 3 hours with classrool and interaction. Got to drive a patrol car and excecute a high speed lane change, shoot the weapons they use at their range, and learned a great deal about police procedures. I recently noticed another local police force putting on something similar. Seems to be a growing trend, so I'd recommend each of you checking your local area to see if they have something.

Chase
08-25-2008, 11:49 AM
i served ten years as a military tactical firearms instructor. Been a nationally certified rifle, pistol, shotgun, home safety, and personal protection instructor for 47 years. I don't do cannons, but I like to discuss smallarms and ammunition and to de-mythify guns.

Chase
09-06-2008, 01:36 AM
Just askin'. In the last post, I offered gun helps in trade for other mystery helps from other myster writers. As I do lots of times, I wasn't specific enough.

Someone took me up on via private message. I was able to provide a response, but asked if future questions could be discussed in the mystery forum. One reason is to avoid the same responses to frequent queries. Another is the opportunity for discussion and rebuttal. Keeps know-it-all gunners honest. Well, as honest as possible for us.

Then, good intentions and all, I was directed to answer in the "experts" area (perhaps an omen because I couldn't find it), because moderators would probably move it there anyway.

How is that going to liven up this [mystery] board?

Here's the Monkish "thing." I was a member of the Water Cooler before I downsized from its hustle-bustle. The other areas just aren't for me. I'm back to concentrate on the mystery/thriller/suspense board (yeah, romance in 'em all).

Okay, I remind myself of someone not with it on an Eureka episode. He was asked, "Are you Amish?" Well, the answer is no, I'm not quite as outgoing as they are.

What's a withdrawn mystery writer to do?

Carmy
12-20-2008, 08:00 PM
Hmm . . . Livening up this board . . .

If I told you publicly what stops me from coming in here too often, although I write mysteries, I'd start a whole new hoo-haa, upset a lot of nice people, and probably get banned.

Maybe I'll gather the courage to pm you.

Chase
12-20-2008, 10:22 PM
Well, no answer or response in a couple of months here about livening this mystery board, so my guess is most who check in here are mostly interested in letting us know how many words were churned out in a given 24-hour period.

RJK
12-20-2008, 10:57 PM
My guess is that most of our questions are being answered in the other areas. I posted a question here back in October. I could have posted it in any of several areas, but I chose this one. I received several good responses, so I'm guessing we have our share of lurkers.

If you haven't already noticed, we have a lot of romance and fantasy writers in this forum. The problem may be that the forum may not have that many mystery writers. I for one write police procedurals and police/crime thrillers, but this is where I fit best in the genres.

dlenee
12-20-2008, 11:04 PM
I read the posts, but haven't posted much. I'm still learning the actual 'how to' of this career and mystery writing. I have an idea for a mystery novel and I'm still working out the specifics. I'm mostly a 'lurker'.

jeseymour
12-21-2008, 01:14 AM
Maybe most mystery writers are withdrawn types. I'm just shy, personally. :-) I'd like to see the gun discussions and other discussions posted here, because I'm more likely to pop in here rather than in the expert section.

http://home.earthlink.net/~j.e.seymour

Good Word
12-21-2008, 05:24 AM
So what would folks like to talk about? I get pm questions sometimes from folks who are kinda shy, or aren't sure if this is the forum, and I wish sometimes that they would just post 'em, because they are good questions that would benefit far more from group discussion. (Although I confess to lurking on AW sometimes myself.)

I know--I'll start: http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125154

A lot of people like the 500 words/day thread because it helps keep them motivated and they appreciate the cameraderie since writing is a generally a solitary sport. I've had many folks over the past year or two send me a message saying that it was just the thing they needed.

Also, the cool thing about message boards formats like AW is that you can click on only the threads that interest you, and disregard topics that aren't pertinent.

Schussman
12-29-2008, 11:31 AM
I find that writing in this genre requires research and connections I don't have. Many times I find I need a quick answer that any professional would know for my thriller to proceed--but I don't know those professionals. Sometimes after some searching, you can find one online, but wouldn't it be terrific to have those URLs collected here for our use?

I would make use of websites or emails where writers are welcome to ask questions of:


I'd love to assemble a list of professionals willing to give short answers to our short questions.

------------

if you have any physical therapist questions, i specialize in neurological disorders/injuries, dementias, psychiatric disorders, and geriatric care. fire away and i'll answer as best i can.

Chase
12-29-2008, 08:52 PM
I find that writing in this genre requires research and connections I don't have. Many times I find I need a quick answer that any professional would know for my thriller to proceed--but I don't know those professionals.

You're right, and a partial answer is in The Conference Room. Click on Story Research: Experts and Interviewees Wanted.

I was a victim of physical terrorists while recovering from wounds, ha ha ha. List your PT expertise and ask questions of others.

Warning: Look for bona fides. Some just love to give bogus advice off the top of their inexpert heads.

Schussman
01-02-2009, 10:27 AM
here is a question from a newbie . . . where is "the conference room"? i looked around and couldn't find it.

Bufty
02-06-2009, 05:52 PM
Assuming you haven't realised yet -

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/index.php

It's simply a heading for the third group of Forums in the Main Forums listing.


here is a question from a newbie . . . where is "the conference room"? i looked around and couldn't find it.

linton
02-11-2009, 04:44 AM
Well I think Julie was just kidding. At least I hope she was.

mgarwood
08-10-2009, 06:26 PM
I Just wanted to introduce myself. I live in the small town of Larwill, Indiana, 20 minutes or so from Fort Wayne. I always enjoy a good mystery and I love writing mystery/adventure stories with 14 yr old Sarah as my sleuth.

heyjude
08-10-2009, 10:06 PM
:welcome: Mgarwood. We're glad you're here!

jeseymour
11-12-2009, 09:19 PM
Whooeee! Lively enough for you now? :e2faint: Where's the emoticon for train wreck?

heyjude
11-13-2009, 12:29 AM
Did I miss something?

jeseymour
11-13-2009, 12:49 AM
No, I was just referring to the long thread I started about church. I'm regretting bringing it up.

heyjude
11-13-2009, 01:18 AM
There's nothing wrong with a little discussion, as long as everyone can remain polite. :)

jeseymour
11-13-2009, 02:22 AM
Well, it's certainly been lively!

Good Word
11-13-2009, 08:34 AM
Most discussions about religion generate controversy. Don't worry about it--life is short. Live on, write on, and eat something decadent. lol

heyjude
11-13-2009, 05:05 PM
eat something decadent. lol

Best. Advice. Ever.

heth718
11-13-2009, 05:09 PM
Hi!

So few pages for a discussion that's been years in the making.

I would love to hear about what you're working on and where you're stuck or what's been working well and what excites you about your curernt WIPs.

heth718
11-13-2009, 09:54 PM
Ahem...where's the liveliness folk?

*arms crossed, toe tapping*

Maybe y'all are just busy being productive somewhere...else

*drops head, arms fall to sides, walks away*

HistorySleuth
12-08-2009, 05:41 AM
I think I will be happiest here. I'm the Assistant County Historian in Wyoming County, NY. So as you probably guess from that I do a lot of historical writing (we do a quartrly) actually, I have been doing that for the last ten years. BUT everything I read for pleasure is the subject of this forum. So this year when my friend told me about NaNoWriMo, I gave it a shot! Holy cow what fun! I wrote what I always read. When I showed my boss the printed out pages she snagged it and took it home for the weekend. I got my word goal but still have to finish the story.

Plus since I'm county, I got help from one of the county deputies, and I got to do a call back yet to the forensic tech who had some thoughts for me and wants to discuss it. They were really getting into it. So sometimes I think if you went to your local sheriffs (or police) tell them what you do, they may want to offer advice to an author. In my case, when I told the county guys they were in the first couple pages of the book in the acknowledgements they glowed! I think that it was a feather in their cap that they were asked and credited.

heyjude
12-08-2009, 05:05 PM
:welcome: HistorySleuth! It's awfully good to have you here!

HistorySleuth
12-09-2009, 03:55 AM
Thank you for the warm welcome.

Kalyke
12-09-2009, 11:20 AM
Ahem...where's the liveliness folk?

*arms crossed, toe tapping*

Maybe y'all are just busy being productive somewhere...else

*drops head, arms fall to sides, walks away*


I'm writing kind of noir/thriller/odd stuff. I'd say it is my own "take" on thriller/noir. I am an unemployed writer doing temp work at a drug factory. Fun. I used to be an unemployed writer writing all day.

My WIP, Live Weight and Dead is about 75% done and is about an insane real-estate developer- husband who goes after his cheating wife, and her useless boyfriend, a jockey, and a horse. There is a lot of murder and horse racing.

I have a 75% finished novel, The Ramp Cafe, about a Latino dishwasher, working at a diner in the middle of nowhere who stumbles upon a situation involving sort of like "men in black" type people, and maybe a possible alien girl. Omage to the X-files. More crazy than most books I've written.

I have a 75% finished book, Shadow Weed, about a print journalist who saw something very awful as a boy, come back to sort it out many years later, only to find he is searching for someone who is searching for him as well-- For a different reason. Murder and Midwestren bowling alleys.

So as you can see, my stuff is not too exciting.

HistorySleuth
12-21-2009, 11:05 PM
I got a 30% off coupon for Borders so I got the book "The First Five Pages" Someone on the forums recommended it. Wish I could remember who so I could thank them.:Shrug:

heyjude
12-22-2009, 12:04 AM
Oh, History, that's a great book! It was so helpful to me.

HistorySleuth
12-22-2009, 11:16 AM
I've skimmed through it but I am promising myself not to really sit down with it until right before I go to edit. At the moment I am close to the end of the story rough finally. But I agree, great book. It made a few things clearer that I had asked on the boards because it is simply put with great examples.