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Shadow_Ferret
11-03-2007, 04:36 PM
One of our local radio stations started playing Christmas music on November 1st.

Now I love the holiday, it's one of my favorites, and the longer the season of joy and giving is, the happier I am, but November 1st?

That's even too early for me.

Nothing should start until the day after Thanksgiving in my book.

And then this station plans on ending it on December 26th!

What's your hurry? It's like, "Season's over, go home."

Personally, I think the music of the season should extend to at least New Year's if not the epiphany.

What satheth thou?

Jaycinth
11-03-2007, 05:14 PM
Home Depot started playing Christmas Music 2 weeks ago.

This is the season I avoid shopping.

But look on the bright side...

Only 3 more weeks til they begin to put up July 4th bunting!!!!

Shadow_Ferret
11-03-2007, 05:29 PM
If only that were true.

No other season gets this much attention. Too bad its not because everyone believes in Peace on Earth, Good Will Toward Manics, instead they believe in the All Mighty Dollah.

Although I heard Halloween is becoming more and more popular. It's actually become a several billion dollar holiday, so maybe one day we'll be seeing Halloween decorations in the stores by July 4th. Average price per person spending for Halloween has gone up from $40 to $60. Still, nowhere near Christmas, but we'll have to make that push.

Spooky gift exchanges. Yeah.

Hey, Jay, I'd like a shrunken head for Halloween next year. That's my wish list.

sassandgroove
11-03-2007, 05:54 PM
I started planning for Christmas in sept, but that is becuase I am making gifts. I don't like things like having christmas music before Thanksgiving, I think it takes away from that holiday. I agree.

Shadow_Ferret
11-03-2007, 06:00 PM
We already purchased our big gift for the kids several weeks ago. Buying early is one thing and in fact is probably the smart thing. Avoid the rush.

nerds
11-03-2007, 06:03 PM
We were seeing Halloween store stuff in August. Then the cheesy local tv Christmas ads started the last week of October. And Thanksgiving has been skipped over completely. grrrrrr. It all makes me feel humbuggy when in fact I love all holidays in their turn, so I just end up doing massive tune-out to the whole merch push.

Jersey Chick
11-03-2007, 06:23 PM
My daughter started mentally planning her Christmas list in July. Actually, she started planning it about 5 minutes after the gifts were opened last Christmas.

I'm all for the holiday season - but Christmas music shouldn't really start until around Thanksgiving. After Santa makes his debut at the Macy's parade.

Back in the day, when I worked retail, Christmas stuff started coming in around July. We started putting it up in September. By Christmas, I was Christmassed out. Nothing like seeing fake snow and Christmas trees when it's 90 degrees and humid outside.

Jcomp
11-03-2007, 06:26 PM
Yeah, that's a skosh early for Christmas music. Especially for a radio station. I can imagine a store doing it to remind people (lest they've forgotten) that "Christmas'll be here before you know it, better look for some gifts while you're in the store, if you're not already!"

sadron
11-03-2007, 06:29 PM
I heard they played some songs in a shop too.
It is too early!! So early!

maestrowork
11-03-2007, 06:34 PM
I'm bracing for the assault of holiday music. Not that I don't enjoy the holidays -- I even sang Christmas carols and had concerts during the season. But please, does it have to be everywhere you go, 24/7? Too much of a good thing spoils everything. I don't need to hear yet another version of Jingle Bells when I'm shopping for underwear.

Like JComp said, it's all about commercialism. Buy, buy, buy -- NOW! Why wait until Thanksgiving when you can grab that nice shirt or Tickle Me Elmo right now!

JBI
11-03-2007, 06:46 PM
I'm waiting for the good Bach music on the radio. Jingle bells et al. is just silly music.

Backward Masking
11-03-2007, 06:53 PM
Thus begins the two months of radio silence...

William Haskins
11-03-2007, 07:01 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltiY-BqvOIU

ZannaPerry
11-03-2007, 07:11 PM
I love Thanksgiving because you have the whole family around you during the time. Plus you get to pig out on some great food! I don't like how they keep trying to override Thanksgiving by already showing commercials about Christmas, and the music, and dadadadadada! Where did the spirit of Christmas and Thanksgiving go by the way?

It's about buying presents and shopping and spending crazy money. It's not about what Christmas is all about anymore. It's about the great deals, and that's real sad. Now that I'm older I like Christmas because I can give instead of receive. I'd rather buy for others and mean it than by the best deal out there.

Christmas music is my favorite kind of music but...not yet.

Christine N.
11-03-2007, 07:14 PM
I'm barely over Halloween.

I agree, too early. I can even say okay to it right before Thanksgiving. I'm eyeing up my Trans-Siberian Orchestra CD, waiting to play it. I just can't do it QUITE yet. Another couple of weeks.

I've already started shopping, sure. I've made some gifts, or at least got them started. I have a list of who's getting what. (PS, come to the bargains board if you'd like to see some instant gifts I've got for sale...) It's just too early for music. I haven't even thought about getting down the decorations.

That's the day after Thanksgiving. Put up the tree, all the doodads I have to decorate with...good times, good times.

First I need to get through my son's birthday party next weekend.

Rolling Thunder
11-03-2007, 07:26 PM
I love Thanksgiving because you have the whole family around you during the time. Plus you get to pig out on some great food! I don't like how they keep trying to override Thanksgiving by already showing commercials about Christmas, and the music, and dadadadadada! Where did the spirit of Christmas and Thanksgiving go by the way?

It's about buying presents and shopping and spending crazy money. It's not about what Christmas is all about anymore. It's about the great deals, and that's real sad. Now that I'm older I like Christmas because I can give instead of receive. I'd rather buy for others and mean it than by the best deal out there.

Christmas music is my favorite kind of music but...not yet.

Only if you give in to the marketeer's suggestion. I don't mind the Christmas music so early, although I was taken aback when I stopped at Lowe's before Halloween and saw Christmas decorations. I shouldn't have been surprised though, since it happens every year.

At the end of this year I'm wondering if merchants will get it right. With the consumer spending tightening up, achieving 'in the black' for the stores financial statements might not happen. Prices across the board are highly inflated throughout the year and waiting for the season of giving seems to be going the way of the dinosaur IMO. I know many people who shop for Christmas all year-round now, getting bargains when they can, and hope to see this trend continue.

Deadbeat 007
11-03-2007, 08:25 PM
I love Christmastime, but I'd really rather wait for everything to start up the day after Thanksgiving, when all those major early-bird sales start. Then I can really get into the spirit... Plus I like the rush of pushing through the crowds, trying to get my hands on the best items before they're sold out. Starting early kinda takes the excitement out of it. :D

Christine N.
11-03-2007, 08:38 PM
And see, I totally hate that. HATE it. Do much shopping online to avoid it. Only go to actual stores when absolutely necessary.

PeeDee
11-03-2007, 09:40 PM
I revel in the whole holiday season, from the crowds to the music to the cold, to everything else.

As for the music...well, it means I get to hear Carol of the Bells a few times, and I love that piece of music all year around. And it gives me an excuse to play my Twisted Sister: Twisted Christmas album extremely loudly, and that gives me a lot of pleasure (and I will not be shamed out of it, damn it!)

That said, if I have to hear Jeff Foxworthy make one more Christmas-themed redneck joke, or hear "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer," it is possible I will kill.

reigningcatsndogs
11-03-2007, 10:10 PM
Christmas shopping done but for two items!!! :)

Christmas card envelopes addressed!!! :tongue

Outside Christmas lights up and ready to go!!! (so I don't have to get cold and wet doing it next month) :D

Baking supplies in and just waiting for first snow day. ;)

Let 'er rip, boys!!!!!:hooray:


Let it snow, :e2bouncey Let it snow, :e2bouncey Let it snow!!!!:e2bouncey

Christine N.
11-04-2007, 02:15 AM
You totally suck. Now I feel so...inadequate.

scarletpeaches
11-04-2007, 02:23 AM
Do people really enjoy hearing the same old Christmas wank trotted out year after year on a loop/repeat? It turns me homicidal. And I don't know anyone who says it gets them in the mood for Xmas. I'm dreading it being on the bloody shop floor this year; I'll have to listen to the same rubbish over and over again. I don't want to hear it even in December; it's the same songs over and over again, never anything original or vaguely religious. Just Wham!, Shakin' Stevens, Wizard and Slade.

PeeDee
11-04-2007, 02:27 AM
Do people really enjoy hearing the same old Christmas wank trotted out year after year on a loop/repeat? It turns me homicidal. And I don't know anyone who says it gets them in the mood for Xmas. I'm dreading it being on the bloody shop floor this year; I'll have to listen to the same rubbish over and over again. I don't want to hear it even in December; it's the same songs over and over again, never anything original or vaguely religious. Just Wham!, Shakin' Stevens, Wizard and Slade.

*Shrug* It bothers me no more than the same cheesy movies appearing on TV for Halloween. It's the spirit of the thing, and that's all up to you. For me, the goofy music and the aisles of Christmas stuff and the decorations they put up on light poles and building fronts all over the city makes me happy.

I love the Christmas lights shining through the piles of snow that are everywhere. Every year, in December, I buy Egg Nog and drink a cup (and then remember that, just like last year, I still don't like Egg Nog). And I like being able to say "Merry Christmas" to people. I like the weird-o booths and shops that appear in the mall trying to sell their Christmas goods. I like the cold, and the crowds.

Christmas makes me happy, just like Halloween. If I paid too much attention to the same "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree" song, it'd bother me, but I don't. I hear it, it triggers a happy Christmas spirit while I'm wandering through a too busy store, and then it's out of my mind. The music, that is, not the mood.

Christine N.
11-04-2007, 02:54 AM
Which is why I like Trans-Siberian Orchestra.
It's like Christmas music on crack. I could listen to it for days. In fact I do.

PeeDee
11-04-2007, 02:55 AM
Which is why I like Trans-Siberian Orchestra.
It's like Christmas music on crack. I could listen to it for days. In fact I do.

Ay-men to that. Trans-Siberian Orchestra and Manheim Steamroller. Terrific stuff.

ETA: On Napster, you can download "Karaoke in the Style Of Trans-Siberian Orchestra" and I'm too baffled to click on it.

reigningcatsndogs
11-04-2007, 03:14 AM
Okay, here's my thing with Christmas. When the decorations come out and the music comes on, I see something in my sons that warms my heart without fail every year. It never goes away, even as they get older. They still come in the kitchen to help bake (or steal what has already been baked), but now they also come in to help make the dinner. They help with the decorating and with each item they take out of the box, they say 'Remember when...' and they smile and laugh. Not every Christmas has been perfect and happy and wonderful. I have yet to have the Martha Stewart or Rockewellian perfect Christmas, and I don't know that I want one. The day, and the season is what you make it.

Every year we have the same movies, with maybe one or two new ones added to the list. Every year we have the same music, but when you consider the addition of even one new song a year, that's still a lot of music to choose from. The stores are crazy, but watch how the people change when you smile at them, or help them pick up something, or just say 'excuse me' or 'Merry Christmas', and the majority of them soften. Yeah, people are stressed about 'perfect' at Christmas, but it comes regardless, so we just make the best of it and try to show some extra kindness to people who may really need that boost.

You want to know what Christmas is about, stop for a moment and look into the face of a child in the store as he looks at some magnificent tree, or as he watches for Santa to arrive, or hand a pair of mitts to someone shivering on a park bench and feel the warmth yourself.

It's what you make it, so if you don't want to listen to the songs, change the station or wear your mP3 when you go into the mall. If you don't want to watch the shows, again, change the channel. The stores take advantage -- big deal. They have back-to-school stuff out on July 4th. Ignore it till you want it, because seriously, if the worst thing to happen in your life is an extra two weeks of canned Christmas music, then you got a pretty good life, doncha think.

Now, PeeDee, I think you and I got a Christmas tree to go rock around!!!

PeeDee
11-04-2007, 03:24 AM
You're getting me hyperactively into the Christmas spirit. That's no good. It's not even December yet. In my house, growing up, Christmas moods and decorations were generally held off until after my birthday (because my parents didn't want it overshadowed) (December 12th). But the older I get, the less relevance my birthday has, the more I enjoy Christmas.

I think you're describing a pretty Rockwellian Christmas. I know ours were. A happy family together, opening presents and talking and eating and laughing and having fun. We were living in terrible places sometimes -- Christmas morning on St. Croix, or in Guatamala is not exactly charming -- but we were happy, and it was Christmas.

Christmas is a happy time. People yell at me all the time about how it's all just commercialized and it's disgusting that it all turns up so early, but I don't care. I'm gleeful about Christmas once Halloween fades.

("But what about Thanksgiving?" Well, I love Thanksgiving too, but Thanksgiving always feels like a part of the Christmas season. I lump them together.)

reigningcatsndogs
11-04-2007, 03:35 AM
But the commercialism is something we've allowed. You can get beyond that, even if you don't have family around you, or you don't have kids. Before I was married, I spent a lot of Christmases away from home and family. But there are so many other things you can do to counteract the commercialism.
volunteer at the food bank
help with the santa toy drive
volunteer at the children's ward of the local hospital
help out at a shelter

Even if you do it for an hour, you find a year's worth of Christmas spirit. And having Thanksgiving when you do, it's a perfect opportunity to see what's really important and put things into perspective before the Christmas rush. It's all good!!!

kikazaru
11-04-2007, 03:38 AM
I was just wondering if it was too early to put up the tree. Christmas stresses me out like nothing else, but I love the tree. I love the baking. I love the anticipation. But it's over far too soon, and the day after Christmas depresses me. Then it's 3 months of hard winter with nothing to look forward to but spring (and the simultaneous occurrence of dog poop season) in mid April. I can feel cabin fever descending on me already. :(

PeeDee
11-04-2007, 03:39 AM
LAST year at Christmas time, Carrie and I started writing The Life And Death of Leon, Christmas Elf.

Maybe we'll finish it this year... :D

rhymegirl
11-04-2007, 03:45 AM
la la la la ring Christmas bells...

Oh yeah. The commercials have started on TV. Decorations are up in the stores. Catalogs are coming through the mail. BUY BUY BUY!

All I want for Christmas is a maid. I'm easy to shop for.

maestrowork
11-04-2007, 04:33 AM
I just heard the first Christmas song at the theater! Chestnuts roasting on the open fire... Lordy, save me!

benbradley
11-04-2007, 04:33 AM
So where is Bob Rivers when you need him?


Here he is, though this is an AC/DC sendup (content warning, contains the 'b' word), not one of his Christmas things:
http://www.myspace.com/bobriversshow
"So bring home some chocolate, it might save your life..."

rhymegirl
11-04-2007, 04:35 AM
I just heard the first Christmas song at the theater! Chestnuts roasting on the open fire... Lordy, save me!

Jack Frost ripping off your nose....

maestrowork
11-04-2007, 04:54 AM
Tiny tots being burned by the fire...
And folks get frozen in the snow
everybody blows...

BAH HUMBUG!

vfury
11-04-2007, 06:04 AM
We started getting in the children's Christmas books in late September...

Gotta love working in retail. The minute the part-timers go back to college, my manager starts panicking about Christmas.

Today, a man and his son spent almost 400 buying books for Christmas presents today. I kind of gawked at the enormous pile that was dumped in front of me, but the guy just dusted his hands and told me, "80% of my Christmas shopping has just been sorted."

Some people are just that organised.

As for music, our CD player at work just never got fixed... that sorted that out. ;) Personally, though, I'm all about Trans-Siberian Orchestra and Nox Arcana's Christmas album. Carol of the Bells is my favourite carol.

Christmas always has fond memories for me because my birthday is on the 30th, so I remember having the tree up and Christmas chocolate during my birthday parties. No Christmas has ever been perfect, and the last two have been terrible due to family issues, but this year we're determined to make an effort towards getting things back to normal.

I didn't manage to make it home last year to put up the tree, however, and I didn't realise how much I took putting up the tree for granted until then. I was crushed! Every year now, though, I make sure to take an evening where I sit by the tree and write or read a book, and just sit in the silence and think. It always comforts me.

As I've grown older, I've also fallen into the habit of going a little overboard with the gifts I buy for others, yet not really wanting anything in return. My father asked today what I wanted and I finally shrugged and said, "...book vouchers?" Meanwhile, I've been planning gifts and cards for a while now.

Christine N.
11-04-2007, 04:23 PM
Okay, you guys inspired me. Last night I sat at the sewing machine, and an hour later my sister's gift was nearly finished.

I kinda like making gifts. My cousin's is cut out, just hafta sew. I'll do that next week while we're on holiday from school. (Election Day, NJ Teacher's convention and Veteran's day add up to a week off for me!) That's in between baking two birthday cakes, cleaning my house, decorating said cakes, and holding two birthday parties (one child, one adult) for my nearly-five year old.

When's Thanksgiving? Then I can rest.

Maybe I can put the TSO CD on my mp3 player. That way I can listen to Christmas music by myself :D

Pete, have you ever been to a TSO concert? I went to my first one last year, and we were on the floor, two rows back. When the flame spurts started, I got sunburn. It's like a Christmas rock concert, Ozzy Osbourne does Christmas! Their electric violinist looked like Alice Cooper.

It was FREAKING AWESOME!

nerds
11-04-2007, 04:46 PM
:e2thud:

After reading this thread yesterday, I took a walk down my street. One of my neighbors' yards is fully festooned for Christmas. The neighbor to his right still has a maple tree full of discount toilet paper. The neighbor to his left has rows of light-up pumpkin people, at least seven turkeys, and three cornucopias. Partridge in a pear tree is on order.

'Tis the season (s).


p.s. - at the Landfill we and the kittehs will be decorating for Thanksgiving, which is that day that comes AFTER Halloween and BEFORE Christmas/Hannukah. All are invited to help decorate. There will be dinner and dancing for Thanksgiving, over behind the washers and dryers; everyone is invited. What band will be playing? The Stray Cats, naturally.

Carole
11-04-2007, 05:23 PM
I love Christmas, but I hate shopping in stores with Christmas music & decorations up and going before Halloween. For me, it ruins Christmas because I want to strangle all the cute little singing elves and drop-kick the jolly Santas by Thanksgiving.

Yesterday in Home Depot, everything was up and kids were everywhere hitting the "try me!" buttons on the singing decorations. Of course the kids are adorable and I do remember when mine had their little eyes light up at the holidays. But my brain can only process so many versions of Jingle Bells. :)

Jaycinth
11-04-2007, 08:33 PM
Hey, Jay, I'd like a shrunken head for Halloween next year. That's my wish list.


Whose?

skelly
11-04-2007, 08:44 PM
la la la la ring Christmas bells...

Oh yeah. The commercials have started on TV. Decorations are up in the stores. Catalogs are coming through the mail. BUY BUY BUY!

All I want for Christmas is a maid. I'm easy to shop for.
I asked for one of those last year. A cute French one. My wife went ballistic. :Shrug:

rhymegirl
11-04-2007, 09:12 PM
Here ya go, Skelly:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/rhymegirl/Frenchmaid.jpg

CandlestickJay
11-04-2007, 09:21 PM
I love Christmas. Really, I do. I love the music, the food, the colors, the whole idea of it all.

But whenever I walked into the brand new JCPennys on October 29 and was accosted by red tinsel and sparkling gold and silver Christmas balls - I about wanted to cry. I mean, what happened to being Thankful around Thanksgiving? Why not just IGNORE the holiday completely? You don't see a bajillion people running around with turkeys on their heads (as opposed to the bazillions running around in santa suits). When even Halloween gets bypassed, you know someone is getting a little too power hungry.

Besides, I bet even Santa gets sick of Christmas carols for over two months.

Oh yeah, and please, if I hear a SINGLE Christmas carol on December 26th .... I scream. Loudly. I swear, every single one of our Christmas decor is taken down that day. Every. Single. One.

skelly
11-04-2007, 09:23 PM
Here ya go, Skelly:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/rhymegirl/Frenchmaid.jpg
:D Now I'm in the Christmas spirit. I may even head out to the garage later and start untangling that big wad of outdoor lights...

scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 12:33 AM
...You want to know what Christmas is about, stop for a moment and look into the face of a child in the store as he looks at some magnificent tree, or as he watches for Santa to arrive, or hand a pair of mitts to someone shivering on a park bench and feel the warmth yourself.

I thought it was supposed to be about Jesus.

I'd rather do good deeds all year round than restrict my voluntary work to December.


...if you don't want to listen to the songs, change the station or wear your mP3 when you go into the mall...

Bit hard when you actually work in one of those shops.

Christine N.
11-05-2007, 12:51 AM
So, slip a TSO or Manheim Steamroller cd into the player.

That'll teach 'em.

I feel for ya, SP. Working retail at Christmas is the worst job ever.

scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 12:53 AM
Ah well, it's the first job I've had in a while and it puts food on the table, so I reckon I can suck it up 'til my contract runs out (5th Jan). They might offer me something permanent, so if I keep that in mind I should be okay.

Carole
11-05-2007, 01:20 AM
Eeewww. Christmas in retail. I remember that. Last time, I was in the gift wrap department. It was free gift wrap, but somehow everyone in line thought we were there to create a work of awe-inspiring holiday art with their box of $0.99 candle holders. You've never dealt with a demanding person until you work in a FREE gift wrap department. :D

scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 01:21 AM
Luckily my job is such that I'm not on the shop floor all day. I can escape to the warehouse.

Carole
11-05-2007, 01:22 AM
Smart girl. Christmas shoppers can be hazardous to your health.

Shadow_Ferret
11-05-2007, 01:32 AM
I would like to apologize for having started this rant.

As it turns out, we're today putting away our Halloween decorations and then -- because of essentially laziness -- we have decided to put out some Christmas decorations.

Our reasoning is that it makes no sense to unpack and display the everyday knickknacks from the Halloween boxes and then end up having to pack them all up against in a couple weeks. So we're just bringing out the Christmas boxes, transferring said knickknacks to them and starting decorating now.

Let the music begin. :)

Oh, and I love Transiberian Express, but Manheim? Not so much.

It's the hap happiest time of the year...

reigningcatsndogs
11-05-2007, 02:28 AM
I thought it was supposed to be about Jesus.

I'd rather do good deeds all year round than restrict my voluntary work to December.



Bit hard when you actually work in one of those shops.

For some people it is about Jesus. For others not.

It's great that you do good deeds all year round. More people should. The point was that you don't have to be alone at Christmas.

As for working in one of those places, I have too. I also worked in police detachments where you are assaulted daily, year round, with the smell of urine and vomit, among many other things. In all those circumstances, I was paid to be there. If there was no other work around, I guess I was lucky to have the job I did. If the economy was good and there were other jobs to have, I had the choice to find a new place to work.

KTC
11-05-2007, 02:36 AM
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KTC
11-05-2007, 02:37 AM
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KTC
11-05-2007, 02:38 AM
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KTC
11-05-2007, 02:39 AM
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KTC
11-05-2007, 02:40 AM
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scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 02:41 AM
Stop it, Kevin. Stop it at once.

scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 02:41 AM
For some people it is about Jesus. For others not.

The clue should be in the name. Christmas?

KTC
11-05-2007, 02:41 AM
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KTC
11-05-2007, 02:43 AM
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KTC
11-05-2007, 02:44 AM
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KTC
11-05-2007, 02:46 AM
http://www.retrogalaxy.com/imgs/2005/santa_burgermeister.jpg

JLCwrites
11-05-2007, 02:46 AM
I'm being transported to the island of misfit toys.......

KTC
11-05-2007, 02:47 AM
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Shadow_Ferret
11-05-2007, 02:53 AM
I thought it was supposed to be about Jesus.



Who?

It's about Santa Claus, Father Christmas, St. Nick, Kris Kringle, Pere Noel, and the Yule Lads.


The clue should be in the name. Christmas?
That's short for Christopher. :)

You celebrate your mythical being, I'll celebrate with mine. ;)

Christine N.
11-05-2007, 03:03 AM
What if I celebrate Yule? Or Hanukah? Or..Kwanzaa?

They all mean the same at the root.

JLCwrites
11-05-2007, 03:04 AM
I like the Wizard of Oz..
I like the Tin Man.

KTC
11-05-2007, 03:52 AM
What if I celebrate Yule? Or Hanukah? Or..Kwanzaa?

They all mean the same at the root.


Hmmmm?


Kevin, just discovering now that there's a little Christ in Christine.

KTC
11-05-2007, 03:53 AM
I like the Wizard of Oz..
I like the Tin Man.


Thank you very much. How utterly kind of you.

Christine N.
11-05-2007, 04:03 AM
I mean they all are about a season of giving and thinking about others, :tongue. Yule and Christmas actually ARE a similar celebration - Jesus/ the God is born to bring light back into the world. Ever wonder why Christmas was so close to the winter solstice? The days get longer= more light, the 'light of the world'?

Dork. :D

KTC
11-05-2007, 04:04 AM
This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine. This little light of...

Christine N.
11-05-2007, 04:06 AM
You are SUCH a dork

maestrowork
11-05-2007, 04:06 AM
All I know is Jesus would be rolling in his heaven if he knew we were celebrating his birthday with new XBoxes and Nintendoes and iPhones.

KTC
11-05-2007, 04:07 AM
Jesus does roll in heaven, man. He's very hip, you know.



Signed
Dork

Shadow_Ferret
11-05-2007, 04:10 AM
This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine. This little light of...

True story. I was raised outside of a religion. When I was in the Cub Scouts we used to sing that song and I thought that we were singing about a flashlight!


All I know is Jesus would be rolling in his heaven if he knew we were celebrating his birthday with new XBoxes and Nintendoes and iPhones.Oh, c'mon Ray. You know Jesus would have his own Blackberry to keep track of all his appointments and Apostles. He'd probably have the Circle of Friends thingie on his phone service.

KTC
11-05-2007, 04:11 AM
True story. I was raised outside of a religion. When I was in the Cub Scouts we used to sing that song and I thought that we were singing about a flashlight!


You were. You were singing about a flashlight. The flashlight of the world.

Christine N.
11-05-2007, 02:53 PM
DORK.

scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 03:31 PM
You celebrate your mythical being, I'll celebrate with mine. ;)

Way to go on not insulting believers, SF.

And though I believe in Jesus, I don't celebrate Christmas because he wasn't born then.

KTC
11-05-2007, 03:32 PM
Because he wasn't, Judas.

Shadow_Ferret
11-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Way to go on not insulting believers, SF.


Not that I want this moved to the smack forum, but how did I insult anyone? I have my beliefs. You have your beliefs. Anyone looking at either belief can might believe they are both mythical beings. You can't deny that aspect of it.

For every Christian there are several million who believe otherwise.

Sheesh. Everyone's so sensitive these days. :)

scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 04:57 PM
You used the word 'mythical', thereby implying that you knew better than everyone who believes Jesus was a real person.

KTC
11-05-2007, 04:59 PM
I am not sensitive, God dammit!

KTC
11-05-2007, 05:00 PM
http://www.redeemerdenver.org/better4.jpg

Shadow_Ferret
11-05-2007, 06:33 PM
You used the word 'mythical', thereby implying that you knew better than everyone who believes Jesus was a real person.
No. I don't know anything better than anyone else.

I used mythical because it implies lack of physical or empirical evidence, nothing more.

If I offended you, peaches, I am deeply sorry and apologize. I thought we were all just having fun.

Maybe I've got some anger spilling out from another thread I'm in.

scarletpeaches
11-05-2007, 06:39 PM
No, ignore me. I'm just going through a few difficulties and my attitude spilled over onto the internet. I was being touchy, so sorry for that.

I might take a wee break from AW once I've sent a few PMs, to deal with 'stuff'. I'm tired and cranky, that's all (as usual). :D

KTC
11-05-2007, 07:15 PM
I always do ignore you, sweetie. Don't worry. I think everybody else does too.

robeiae
11-05-2007, 08:03 PM
It's a bit early for it, but...

They said there'll be snow at christmas
They said there'll be peace on earth
But instead it just kept on raining
A veil of tears for the virgins birth
I remember one christmas morning
A winters light and a distant choir
And the peal of a bell and that christmas tree smell
And their eyes full of tinsel and fire

They sold me a dream of christmas
They sold me a silent night
And they told me a fairy story
till I believed in the israelite
And I believed in father christmas
And I looked at the sky with excited eyes
till I woke with a yawn in the first light of dawn
And I saw him and through his disguise

I wish you a hopeful christmas
I wish you a brave new year
All anguish pain and sadness
Leave your heart and let your road be clear
They said therell be snow at christmas
They said therell be peace on earth
Hallelujah noel be it heaven or hell
The christmas you get you deserve

benbradley
11-05-2007, 10:12 PM
The mods may well move this somewhere, though I hope it doesn't get locked.

Not that I want this moved to the smack forum, but how did I insult anyone? I have my beliefs. You have your beliefs. Anyone looking at either belief can might believe they are both mythical beings. You can't deny that aspect of it.
I'm a 'strong atheist' myself, but still I was hoping to give your first statement the benefit of the doubt, that you might be using mythical as used in Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth." But I guess not. I do try to respect others' beliefs and not ridicule, even when it's not easy to hold back, and easy to take a potshot. My lips often have teethmarks.

For every Christian there are several million who believe otherwise.

Sheesh. Everyone's so sensitive these days.
And as for this claim, the current world population is about six billion, and there are allegedly about two billion Christians*, so there are only about TWO non-Christians for every Christian on Earth, not millions. Not sure about the ratio of those currently in orbit, but there aren't that many up there.

*I forget where I heard this figure, it may well be a gross approximation, but it's close enough for this purpose. This figure also includes Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church, KKK members, members of more liberal/new-age Christ-based churches such as Unity, and anyone else who calls themselves Christians. Many "mainstream" Christians may deny that some of these others are true Christians, but that argument is more about differences of belief (and the differences are not always clear-cut - many say that Catholics are not true Christians) and it seems difficult to objectively separate 'real' from 'fake' Christians, so one might as well include all who self-identify with the religion.

Christine N.
11-06-2007, 01:49 AM
One man's myth is another man's religion.

That's all I have to say about it. :D