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TemlynWriting
08-28-2004, 12:35 AM
Has anyone worked with EditFast.com? Good, bad, indifferent? Thanks so much! :)

www.editfast.com/ (http://www.editfast.com/)

~Julia

CaoPaux
07-20-2005, 12:45 AM
There've been some complaints. Here's a lengthy discussion. http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=1175&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

WriterPlus
05-07-2006, 03:44 AM
Has anyone worked with EditFast.com? Good, bad, indifferent? Thanks so much! :)

www.editfast.com/ (http://www.editfast.com/)

~Julia

http://www.editfast.com (http://www.editfast.com/) has been a very beneficial site for me. I signed up there two years ago and although it took some time to receive my first editing project (I assume they were checking me out and waiting for the right project to match to my skills) I now get work from them regularly and I am paid well and on time. I took a look at the problems mentioned at the site quoted below and it seems that Robert has addressed them all and the few people complaining are simply just complainers who did not pass the strict editing tests that Robert uses to screen all editors who register at http://www.editfast.com (http://www.editfast.com/) I would not pay any attention to those who have failed the tests. The tests are easy for good editors but they do weed out those who think they are editors from those who are truly editors.

victoriastrauss
05-07-2006, 04:09 AM
WriterPlus, what are your qualifications to be an editor?

- Victoria

Sassenach
05-07-2006, 04:16 AM
I signed up with them about two years ago and have gotten zero projects. Every now and then I receive an email from Robert talking about how great the site is, blah blah blah.

Aconite
05-07-2006, 06:09 AM
I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the writing sample WriterPlus provides here. It makes me question the quality of the editing provided, to say the least.

Note, too, the classification of all those who've made complaints about the company as bitter, failed applicants. Where have we seen behavior like that before, boys and girls, and why does it smell bad?

Kasey Mackenzie
05-09-2006, 12:23 AM
I like how he or she managed to work in a link to the website three times in the same post. =)

Richard White
05-09-2006, 07:35 AM
I like how he or she managed to work in a link to the website three times in the same post. =)

Oh, you noted that also.

;)

ATP
05-09-2006, 09:32 AM
I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the writing sample WriterPlus provides here. It makes me question the quality of the editing provided, to say the least.

Note, too, the classification of all those who've made complaints about the company as bitter, failed applicants. Where have we seen behavior like that before, boys and girls, and why does it smell bad?

This sums up the situation pretty well.

ATP

SWDetroit
01-17-2008, 10:33 PM
What's the skinny on EditFast? I received a couple of emails from it the past two or three weeks.

I then asked a similar question on the techwr-l e-mail list and received a few private responses about it. Then, a Robert Kidd, the director of EditFast, sends me an e-mail (describing his editing service and stating that signing up is free, BUT a better display is available at extra expense) shortly after he read the techwr-l list. I doubt that he really follows that list because he made eight responses to it (but nothing within the past 3 1/2 years).

A Robert Kidd, purporting to be the director of EditFast, also has a LinkedIn profile with zero connections. In that profile, he only lists something about his education--two years at some college in BC, Canada. Nothing else...

I suppose that a Robert Kidd will eventually stumble across this entry too, as he allegedly searches for EditFast hits with Web searching.

RebeccaW
01-18-2008, 03:47 AM
I applied to EditFast this past December and passed their tests with a 93%. My account was "activated" after a week or so. I was immediately issued an invitation to join their paid membership with the added benefit that my listing would be bumped to some sort of recommended editor. I found that to be quite misleading for the clients. I've received a few emails about upgrading my membership. I also received a jobs listing email that was simply a list of job site links. Impressive! :P

I'll drop a note here if I hear anything interesting from them.

SWDetroit
01-18-2008, 04:10 AM
Becky, see if you can become a LinkedIn connection with "Robert" in Japan or wherever Mr. Kidd, director of EditFast, happens to live. I hear he's **VERY** exclusive and doesn't link with just anybody. That's probably why his LinkedIn connections still total ZERO!

I got a higher test score than 93%, BTW. But be advised that the editing tests may be bogus, and those scores might be randomly assigned anyway.

A case in point, Robert posted eight times on the TECHWR-L e-mail list and asked some relatively simple questions four years ago. Google them yourself. Also Google "Robert Kidd" and EditFast together and check out some more of his posts. Like the review he wrote last November. Or the time he was giving advice on how to report scammers or frauds on another forum.

"Robert" is good at making one or two posts on a number of boards and liberally plastering his EditFast logo and links. I got him and his MO pegged...

Anybody who has any dealings with or knowledge of EditFast: let me know. Not that I ever plan to edit for him. But for the laughs...

If he ever does have work for his 1200 (or whatever number of) satisfied editors working with him, he wants a 40 to 50% cut for himself.

SWDetroit
01-18-2008, 04:44 AM
This guy's fast! This email from Robert came only three minutes ago. I must be high on his sucker list:


Dear Gary

Your profile has not yet been activated and is not yet visible to the public. This means that you cannot receive editing projects from clients. Please log in and complete your profile today.

LOCATION PAGES
==============
Stretch your writer's muscles and win an EditFast membership!

Can you write 250 words about editing/editors/writing/proofreading in the city, state/province, and/or country you live in? If you can, you have a chance to win an EditFast membership for one month free. That's one month for each page accepted for a possible total of three months of free membership!

And that's not all!

In addition to the one month free membership for each page accepted, the winners will also receive a permanent link to their EditFast profile at the top of every winning page submitted by that editor.

And there's more!

If you are the only editor registered in the city, state/province, or country, your submission will automatically win as long as the writing is readable and grammatically correct!

To get started and see how it works go here: http://editfast.com/location_writing_contest.htm

JOB SEARCH RESOURCES
======================

Looking for a job? Look no further! EditFast has compiled a massive list of jobs available right now! Click the link below and you will find job offerings in every state, from all of the major companies, hundreds of small and mid-size companies, and government departments at every level. No matter what state you are in, there are companies near you looking for someone with your skills. Check it out now!

http://www.editfast.com/job_search/united_states/job_search_resources.htm

UPGRADE YOUR MEMBERSHIP
========================

Increase your exposure to thousands of potential clients searching on EditFast. To upgrade your membership click here:
http://www.editfast.com/members/ed_details/membership_registration.php
You can also login to your editor area and click "Upgrade Membership" at the top of the left menu.
Take a look at the benefits of a paid membership at EditFast:
http://www.editfast.com/english/editpops/options.htm#membership1

ADMIN CONTACT & FEEDBACK
========================

As always, I am available for any questions you might have. My goal is to bring more work to you through my advertising and promotional efforts. I am open to any ideas you might have in this regard. I welcome your thoughts and advice at all times. Contact me at the link below with your ideas, concerns, criticisms, or kudos.

http://www.editfast.com/english/feedback.htm

REMOVE ME
==========

I certainly do not wish to send mail to anyone who does not wish to receive it. To remove your profile entirely and stop receiving mail from EditFast simply log in and Click the "Remove Me" link at the bottom of the left menu. Complete the removal process by clicking the confirmation link in the email message when it arrives. Once you confirm, your profile will be entirely removed, you will no longer receive email from EditFast, and you will no longer be eligible for editing projects.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
EditFast Admin
http://editfast.com (http://editfast.com/)
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TOLL FREE CAN/USA: (1) 877-333-3321

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=I must be in limbo, as I cannot get any editing projects because I'm not activated at EditFast. But, if I get taken off his mailing list, I won't be eligible for any projects either. Either way, I win!

I left his links active in this post. Please don't go there, anybody. It's at your peril.

EditFast
05-12-2008, 08:28 PM
http://www.editfast.com (http://www.editfast.com/) has been a very beneficial site for me. I signed up there two years ago and although it took some time to receive my first editing project (I assume they were checking me out and waiting for the right project to match to my skills) I now get work from them regularly and I am paid well and on time. I took a look at the problems mentioned at the site quoted below and it seems that Robert has addressed them all and the few people complaining are simply just complainers who did not pass the strict editing tests that Robert uses to screen all editors who register at http://www.editfast.com (http://www.editfast.com/) I would not pay any attention to those who have failed the tests. The tests are easy for good editors but they do weed out those who think they are editors from those who are truly editors.
Thank you WriterPlus. Sorry for being so late in responding (two years!) but I have just discovered this thread.

EditFast
05-12-2008, 08:37 PM
I signed up with them about two years ago and have gotten zero projects. Every now and then I receive an email from Robert talking about how great the site is, blah blah blah.Sassenach, I am sorry you have not received any projects. My goal is to get work out to as many people as possible. Unfortunately, I have no control over who the clients select as their editor. If you wish to get your profile in front of more clients you are free to create as many specialization pages as you wish. These pages are linked to your profile and will help attract the type of clients you wish to work for.

In addition, there are other opportunities to promote your profile and to make some money here:
http://www.editfast.com/location_writing_contest.htm
and here:
http://www.editfast.com/english/articleposting.htm

EditFast
05-12-2008, 09:11 PM
What's the skinny on EditFast? I received a couple of emails from it the past two or three weeks.

I then asked a similar question on the techwr-l e-mail list and received a few private responses about it. Then, a Robert Kidd, the director of EditFast, sends me an e-mail (describing his editing service and stating that signing up is free, BUT a better display is available at extra expense) shortly after he read the techwr-l list.
The ONLY way you would receive a message from me is if you registered on the EditFast site. I DO NOT send out spam.

I doubt that he really follows that list because he made eight responses to it (but nothing within the past 3 1/2 years).

A Robert Kidd, purporting to be the director of EditFast, also has a LinkedIn profile with zero connections. In that profile, he only lists something about his education--two years at some college in BC, Canada. Nothing else...I have never added my profile to LinkedIn. Some of these networking sites, like the hundreds of "work in your pajamas from home" sites, scour the net for information and place it on their sites without asking permission. The information you see on LinkedIn about EditFast is not correct and I did not create it. If you wish to see my education or my qualifications, my resume is in the public domain here: http://www.editfast.com/english/resume/resume.htm

Your posts here are full of false information and misleading assumptions. My only question is: "Why?" Why would you write false statements that are easily found out with a little research (in fact all you have to do is ask me).

The "college" you speak of is the University of British Columbia, where it took me two and a half years to complete my four-year honours degree in English and linguistics. I then moved to the University of Victoria for my MA in Canadian Literature.


I suppose that a Robert Kidd will eventually stumble across this entry too, as he allegedly searches for EditFast hits with Web searching.A little late but yes, I do look for what people say about my company on the net as every businessperson should. I use "Google Alerts", a free service that sends you notifications when it discovers keywords/phrases of your choice. I hesitated in responding to this thread as it often leads to personal attacks (why, I don't know), but I cannot let false statements go uncorrected. I guess it's the editor in me.

Momento Mori
05-12-2008, 09:48 PM
Hi, EditFast and welcome to AW.

One of the earlier posters mentioned the following experience:


RebeccaW:
I applied to EditFast this past December and passed their tests with a 93%. My account was "activated" after a week or so. I was immediately issued an invitation to join their paid membership with the added benefit that my listing would be bumped to some sort of recommended editor.

I've had a quick look through your FAQs for editors but can't find any no reference to a paid membership option. Is this something that you still offer to editors? If so, how much do you charge for this membership and what are the benefits for editors taking it up (e.g. does it result in a guaranteed minimum amount of work)?

MM

EditFast
05-12-2008, 09:59 PM
I applied to EditFast this past December and passed their tests with a 93%. My account was "activated" after a week or so. I was immediately issued an invitation to join their paid membership with the added benefit that my listing would be bumped to some sort of recommended editor. I found that to be quite misleading for the clients. Anyone who operates a "freelancer" Web site will tell you that getting freelancers to respond to client requests is the biggest challenge. Try creating a project at any freelancer site and requesting estimates from as many freelancers as you can, and see what happens. I would guess about a 10-20% response rate. Naturally, freelancers who pay for a membership are far more eager to respond to client requests than those who do not. That is not an opinion, it is a fact discovered from experience at EditFast and at other freelancer sites. With that in mind, it is certainly not misleading to the clients to place the editors who will respond at the top of the list, as the paid members are. Remember, these are editors who have been screened and have the same scores (within 5%-10%) on the tests as non-paid members, so there is no difference in quality of editing service being provided to the clients, but a world of difference in promptness of service. I implemented the membership system to provide better service to my clients, not to make the $50 - $70 a month that I get from four or five memberships.


I've received a few emails about upgrading my membership. I also received a jobs listing email that was simply a list of job site links. Impressive! :P

I'll drop a note here if I hear anything interesting from them.The job links resource you saw at http://www.editfast.com/job_search/united_states/job_search_resources.htm was not created specifically for you or for any editor to find work directly from those links, although that is a secondary benefit. The main purpose is to attract people looking for jobs who might need a resume written or edited. It took me two months to compile the information into a database and so far the effort has been worth it. It has been very successful at bringing in resume editing/writing work for my editors and writers. I get hundreds of people everyday coming to that resource and some of these submit their resume for editing/rewriting. This was entirely my intention in the first place. Notice the link at the top of each page for the resume service.

I am sorry it was not what you expected, but links to the job application page for thousands of companies all across the U.S. is a very useful resource for some people and the added benefit for the freelancers at EditFast is obvious.

herdon
05-12-2008, 10:04 PM
LinkedIn is a work-from-home website-scraping networking site? You'd think being one of the most popular websites in the world would be enough for them.

EditFast
05-12-2008, 10:13 PM
Hi, EditFast and welcome to AW.

One of the earlier posters mentioned the following experience:



I've had a quick look through your FAQs for editors but can't find any no reference to a paid membership option. Is this something that you still offer to editors? If so, how much do you charge for this membership and what are the benefits for editors taking it up (e.g. does it result in a guaranteed minimum amount of work)?

MMThe paid membership is still available. You can only upgrade to the paid membership option once you register. For obvious reasons I cannot allow someone to buy a membership before they have passed the screening process. That would not be good business as it would allow anyone to bypass the testing process and become an editor. I am very strict about who is allowed to do work for my clients. Only 8% of the "editors" who register are able to complete the process and become working editors for EditFast.

EditFast does not guarantee work to anyone at any time. That has been the policy since day one, and because of the way the system works, it will always be the policy. Clients get to choose their editor and thus I have no control over who gets selected for any specific job. I do have control over how I promote the site to attract more clients and you have some control over how to promote your profile, but in the end when it comes to selecting an editor, it is up to the client.

EditFast
05-12-2008, 10:18 PM
LinkedIn is a work-from-home website-scraping networking site? You'd think being one of the most popular websites in the world would be enough for them.I never said that. I compared it to the work-from-home sites because in this case they may have done the same thing. This profile of "me" has been there for years. Or perhaps someone has created this profile for me, in which case, I wish they would remove it. I would if I could, but I cannot access it because I did not create it.

EditFast
05-12-2008, 10:51 PM
Becky, see if you can become a LinkedIn connection with "Robert" in Japan or wherever Mr. Kidd, director of EditFast, happens to live. I hear he's **VERY** exclusive and doesn't link with just anybody. That's probably why his LinkedIn connections still total ZERO!It is zero because I have never pursued it and never created that profile.


I got a higher test score than 93%, BTW. But be advised that the editing tests may be bogus, and those scores might be randomly assigned anyway.I can assure you that the tests are real and the scores are real too. I am not sure why you would say they are "bogus". Why so bitter sounding?


A case in point, Robert posted eight times on the TECHWR-L e-mail list and asked some relatively simple questions four years ago. Google them yourself. Also Google "Robert Kidd" and EditFast together and check out some more of his posts. Like the review he wrote last November. Or the time he was giving advice on how to report scammers or frauds on another forum. I don't understand what your "case in point" is about. I see nothing wrong with what you say I have done, but the way you say it makes it seem like criminal activity. I have no need, desire, or obligation to post on TECHWR-L. I may have asked some simple questions four years ago, but I am sure we all have had days like that and I am also sure we have all begun projects that required some input or feedback from the editing community. The worry here is that people who do have legitimate questions may hesitate to post them on TECHWR-L if they know they might be criticized for their posts.


"Robert" is good at making one or two posts on a number of boards and liberally plastering his EditFast logo and links. I got him and his MO pegged...I post when I need to and I do use my signature to promote my service as everyone does. I use links in my posts to show people asking questions about where things are. You have me "pegged"? I doubt that very much, but I can guess where you are coming from. If you are upset because you did not receive any work from EditFast, then please remember that EditFast has no obligation to provide work to any editor at any time and makes no guarantee of work. Clients choose the editor they wish to work with. I have no control over who they choose, except in a very general way.


Anybody who has any dealings with or knowledge of EditFast: let me know. Not that I ever plan to edit for him. But for the laughs... If he ever does have work for his 1200 (or whatever number of) satisfied editors working with him, he wants a 40 to 50% cut for himself.Once again you are misinformed. Freelancers are free to charge what they wish to charge. When creating an estimate for a client the freelancer sets his/her rate according to what they would feel comfortable earning for the project. EditFast takes no money from the editors. The client pays EditFast whatever EditFast charges its clients. That negotiation is between the client and EditFast. EditFast pays the freelancer whatever the freelancer charges EditFast. Yes, EditFast makes money from each project... of course.

EditFast
05-12-2008, 11:05 PM
I must be in limbo, as I cannot get any editing projects because I'm not activated at EditFast. But, if I get taken off his mailing list, I won't be eligible for any projects either. Either way, I win!
Your profile has not yet been activated because it is not complete and contains spelling errors. (I don't usually say things like this in public but I think you have set yourself up as a target so I am going to take a shot.) I sent you a notification of this and gave you a chance to fix it up, but I have not received any reply. You should be aware that, generally speaking, I do not give even one "chance" to editors who submit profiles with errors on them or send me email with grammar or spelling errors. In this case however, I am worried that if I remove your profile there will be repercussions. You are free to log in and make the necessary changes at any time, but I would prefer that you removed yourself.

Momento Mori
05-13-2008, 12:38 AM
EditFast:
For obvious reasons I cannot allow someone to buy a membership before they have passed the screening process. That would not be good business as it would allow anyone to bypass the testing process and become an editor. I am very strict about who is allowed to do work for my clients.

I can understand why you would want to maintain standards about membership, but I'm not sure I understand why you can't disclose up front the fact that paid membership is available for those who pass your editing tests.

Surely it's possible to structure your membership to ensure that only those who have passed the requisite tests are given the relevant PayPal details (or at least make clear that it is only open to those people offered membership)?

As it is, I can understand why some people may feel (rightly or wrongly) a little mislead to pass your test and then find that there's a paid listing option that they didn't previously know about.

Are you able to tell us how much your paid option costs and exactly what sort of additional promotion editors taking this option could expect?

MM

EditFast
05-13-2008, 01:45 AM
I can understand why you would want to maintain standards about membership, but I'm not sure I understand why you can't disclose up front the fact that paid membership is available for those who pass your editing tests.

Surely it's possible to structure your membership to ensure that only those who have passed the requisite tests are given the relevant PayPal details (or at least make clear that it is only open to those people offered membership)?

As it is, I can understand why some people may feel (rightly or wrongly) a little mislead to pass your test and then find that there's a paid listing option that they didn't previously know about.

Are you able to tell us how much your paid option costs and exactly what sort of additional promotion editors taking this option could expect?

MMThere is no intent to mislead and no nefarious operation behind any of this. I am open to suggestions and questions at any time. I originally created EditFast to give the overflow of work I was receiving from my clients to qualified editors. EditFast has grown since then, but the goal is still to provide as much work to my editors as possible. Yes, I make money from EditFast, but aside from maybe $40 per month from a few memberships, editors do not pay anything and are free to set their rates at whatever they feel comfortable with. It is free.

The membership option is explained in detail on a public page here:
http://editfast.com/english/editpops/options.htm#membership1
and is mentioned here:
http://editfast.com/english/editor_system.htm
and here:
http://editfast.com/english/freelance_editors_benefits.htm

Projects are given to the editor chosen by the client whether the editor has a free or a paid membership as long as that editor responds. If not, then the project is given to another editor.

Momento Mori
05-13-2008, 02:07 AM
EditFast:
There is no intent to mislead and no nefarious operation behind any of this.

I didn't say that there was :).


EditFast:
Yes, I make money from EditFast, but aside from maybe $40 per month from a few memberships, editors do not pay anything and are free to set their rates at whatever they feel comfortable with. It is free.

Again, I'm not questioning that you have a right to make money from your site. Apologies if you gained that impression from my post. What this discussion has been focused on is whether FastEdit is a good option for people seeking editing work.

Many thanks for providing links to the relevant pages on your site dealing with the paid membership option. As a business, do you keep records that indicate higher take-up rates for paid members than for free members, or do you get any type of feedback from your members as to their experiences of paid membership? I understand that it's clients who decide which editor to go with, but I'm interested in knowing whether and if so how you keep track on whether paid members get value for money.

MM

EditFast
05-13-2008, 02:23 AM
I didn't say that there was :). No, you are right. In fact I wanted to thank you for the appropriateness and politeness of your response. I guess I was caught up in one of the other posts, but thanks for bringing me to earth again.


Again, I'm not questioning that you have a right to make money from your site. Apologies if you gained that impression from my post. What this discussion has been focused on is whether FastEdit is a good option for people seeking editing work. That's "EditFast". "FastEdit" is not mine but it is for sale! :)

I cannot see why EditFast would not be a good option since it is completely free. Even if a client only selects you as the editor once a year, you are ahead of the game and it costs nothing to maintain your profile on the Web in front of the thousands of clients who come to EditFast.


Many thanks for providing links to the relevant pages on your site dealing with the paid membership option. As a business, do you keep records that indicate higher take-up rates for paid members than for free members, or do you get any type of feedback from your members as to their experiences of paid membership? I understand that it's clients who decide which editor to go with, but I'm interested in knowing whether and if so how you keep track on whether paid members get value for money.

MMYes, I keep track, and there is a significant difference in the number of projects going to paid members and free members. However, please don't take this a a sales pitch to register as a paid member. I don't want this to sound like I am promising any work because I cannot do that. For paid members and free members there is never any guarantee of work. It is up to the clients who they select as their editor.

Mac H.
05-13-2008, 02:55 AM
http://www.editfast.com (http://www.editfast.com/) has been a very beneficial site for me. I signed up there two years ago and although it took some time to receive my first editing project (I assume they were checking me out and waiting for the right project to match to my skills) I now get work from them regularly and I am paid well and on time. I took a look at the problems mentioned at the site quoted below and it seems that Robert has addressed them all and the few people complaining are simply just complainers who did not pass the strict editing tests that Robert uses to screen all editors who register at http://www.editfast.com (http://www.editfast.com/) I would not pay any attention to those who have failed the tests. The tests are easy for good editors but they do weed out those who think they are editors from those who are truly editors.
Glad to see you are doing well - I hope you find a good editor.

Since you are looking for a professional editor, may I make some suggestions for editing this ?

1. The display of the many 'http:' hyperlinks makes this post look like spam. A good editor will be able to help you refine this prose.

2. The run-on sentences make the writing difficult to read. Again, a good editor will be able to help you here.

3. The problems are not mentioned 'at the site quoted below'. In a thread, most browsers will list the previous posts ABOVE, not below. Again, a good editor will be able to help.

4. You may want to check the facts as well - the idea that 'the few people complaining are simply just complainers who did not pass the strict editing tests' is not correct.

5. There are other problems, including a missing period at the end of a sentence. This is one of the areas a good editor can help - for amateurs like you & I it isn't always easy to seamlessly combine web addresses into sentences ... particularly when the sentence ends in a web address.

Thankfully EditFast.com have good editors - hopefully people like you and I won't be able to pass their tests!

I hope you find a good editor,

Have a great day,

Mac

SWDetroit
08-08-2008, 10:38 AM
Glad to see you are doing well - I hope you find a good editor.

Since you are looking for a professional editor, may I make some suggestions for editing this ?

1. The display of the many 'http:' hyperlinks makes this post look like spam. A good editor will be able to help you refine this prose.

2. The run-on sentences make the writing difficult to read. Again, a good editor will be able to help you here.

3. The problems are not mentioned 'at the site quoted below'. In a thread, most browsers will list the previous posts ABOVE, not below. Again, a good editor will be able to help.

4. You may want to check the facts as well - the idea that 'the few people complaining are simply just complainers who did not pass the strict editing tests' is not correct.

5. There are other problems, including a missing period at the end of a sentence. This is one of the areas a good editor can help - for amateurs like you & I it isn't always easy to seamlessly combine web addresses into sentences ... particularly when the sentence ends in a web address.

Thankfully EditFast.com have good editors - hopefully people like you and I won't be able to pass their tests!

I hope you find a good editor,

Have a great day,

Mac

BTW, "Robert" Kidd at Editfast: I strongly doubt that any of my correspondence with EditFast contained any spelling errors or other errors, as he conveniently claimed. In fact, I am not the very least disgruntled with not finding any editing work out of EditFast because I never fully completed my application. So, how could I be disgruntled?

In fact, I have scored in the upper 1 to 5 percentile in actual third-party skills-testing exams in editing, technical writing, and advanced applications, such as FrameMaker et al. that actually meant something and were administered by reputable testing agencies. So, "Robert's" bogus claims were yet another instance of his anal retentivity and alleged dishonesty...

In addition, "Robert," formerly out of Tokyo back during 2004 on another forum (among other places, no doubt), has added to his LinkedIn profile--the one that previously had zero connections two years ago. He probably added a couple of doofuses in order to fatten his "resume."

Now, his profile--the very one that "Robert" previously in this thread denied even creating in the first place--finally has two connections! And he even added his "new" parent company to his LinkedIn profile. However, "Robert," being the meticulous editor that he is, must have experienced a senior moment and somehow misspelled the name of his own company in his LinkedIn profile (http://www.linkedin.com/ppl/webprofile?action=vmi&id=12538208&authToken=kR2A&authType=name&trk=ppro_viewmore&lnk=vw_pprofile). Fancy that!!!

Perhaps, "Robert" might find some editor and fix that entry...

So, now "Robert" is into the self-publishing racket, too? But, at least, his operation claims to be ethical. Maybe, it is. Time will tell, though. There are plenty of scamsters in that vanity-press business already.

I know, as I have been approached to work that scam myself by another "Robert." No connection, though. Just a coincidence in names... This other "Robert" guy is a few thousand miles away from Mister Kidd of GVLS's EditFast.

EditFast does take a 40% cut from the gross proceeds of an EditFast project. Or so, its Web site states that it does.
Payment
Payments to editors will be made through PayPal.
Clients pay EditFast and EditFast pays the editors.
EditFast gets 40% of the final total project price whether the project comes directly from a client or from the EditFast administration.
Upon completion of a project the editor must submit a formal invoice to EditFast from the project description page.
EditFast pays all invoices on the last day of the month following the month of receipt of the invoice.And "Robert" actively sends out email, pushing his special grade of editor membership. Such as described in this e-mail that "Robert" sent me less than 24 hours ago:


Dear Gary,

For those of you who have had difficulty recently when trying to upgrade your membership, the problem has been fixed. Please try again:

http://editfast.com/members/ed_details/membership_registration.php?user_type=ed

Let me know if you have any more trouble.

WRITER'S RESOURCE SECTION
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If you are a writer or an editor the new Writers' Resource section on EditFast will interest you. Get access to four huge databases:
1) Publishers
2) Magazines
3) Writing competitions
4) Literary Agents

Names, addresses, email addresses, telephone numbers, who to contact, and a ton of useful information are all there for thousands of entries.

Check it out now! http://editfast.com/resources

ADMIN CONTACT & FEEDBACK
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As always, I am available for any questions you might have. My goal is to bring more work to you through my advertising and promotional efforts. I am open to any ideas you might have in this regard. I welcome your thoughts and advice at all times. Contact me at the link below with your ideas, concerns, criticisms, or kudos.

http://www.editfast.com/english/feedback.htm

REMOVE ME
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To remove your profile entirely and stop receiving mail from EditFast, log in and Click the "Remove Me" link at the bottom of the left menu. Complete the removal process by clicking the confirmation link in the email message when it arrives. Once you confirm, your profile will be entirely removed, you will no longer receive email from EditFast, and you will no longer be eligible for editing projects.

You can also reply to this message with "REMOVE ME" in the subject.

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EditFast
08-08-2008, 01:32 PM
BTW, "Robert" Kidd at Editfast: I strongly doubt that any of my correspondence with EditFast contained any spelling errors or other errors, as he conveniently claimed.

Please refresh my memory as to when I made any reference to the spelling in your correspondence. In addition, why would it be convenient for me? The only time I would do this is if you had spelling errors on your Web page profile, but you have not yet completed yours so I have not done that. I might also do this if I have removed an editor for spelling errors in correspondence, but I have not done this with you. I have removed you just now after reading this latest post for the obvious reason that you do not want to be part of the EditFast team. I posted in reply to your other message and gave you the option of removing yourself so that it would not seem as if I was simply retaliating but enough is enough.


In fact, I am not the very least disgruntled with not finding any editing work out of EditFast because I never fully completed my application. So, how could I be disgruntled?

In fact, I have scored in the upper 1 to 5 percentile in actual third-party skills-testing exams in editing, technical writing, and advanced applications, such as FrameMaker et al. that actually meant something and were administered by reputable testing agencies. So, "Robert's" bogus claims were yet another instance of his anal retentivity and alleged dishonesty...
These ramblings have no meaning to me. I really do not know what you are talking about. What "bogus claims" are you referring to?


In addition, "Robert," formerly out of Tokyo back during 2004 on another forum (among other places, no doubt), has added to his LinkedIn profile--the one that previously had zero connections two years ago. He probably added a couple of doofuses in order to fatten his "resume."
Although I don't think this LinkedIn profile you are referring to here is mine and was not created by me, and even though it is called EditFast (is this the one you are referring to?), I have no login info for this profile and I cannot add or delete anything from it. Spammers do this and use popular names as profiles in order to attract people to their site to sell them something. That is all I can think of in this case. I have sent inquiries via the site but got no response.

Nevertheless, even if it was mine, once again, I do not understand why you seem to think that it is a bad thing to increase the presence of EditFast on the net. I do many different types of promotion of EditFast and the services of my editors. Why would I deny creating a LinkedIn profile if I had created one? In fact, I do have one under GVLS, the parent company of EditFast. You complain about not getting any jobs and then complain when I promote ("allegedly promote" in this LinkedIn case) your services. I don't get it.


Now, his profile--the very one that "Robert" previously in this thread denied even creating in the first place--finally has two connections! And he even added his "new" parent company to his LinkedIn profile. However, "Robert," being the meticulous editor that he is, must have experienced a senior moment and somehow misspelled the name of his own company in his LinkedIn profile (http://www.linkedin.com/ppl/webprofile?action=vmi&id=12538208&authToken=kR2A&authType=name&trk=ppro_viewmore&lnk=vw_pprofile). Fancy that!!!

Perhaps, "Robert" might find some editor and fix that entry...
Thank you for pointing this out to me. The error has been corrected.


So, now "Robert" is into the self-publishing racket, too? But, at least, his operation claims to be ethical. Maybe, it is. Time will tell, though. There are plenty of scamsters in that vanity-press business already.

I know, as I have been approached to work that scam myself by another "Robert." No connection, though. Just a coincidence in names... This other "Robert" guy is a few thousand miles away from Mister Kidd of GVLS's EditFast. I would suggest that to improve your writing you not lean toward the use of innuendos and hints at nefarious deeds in order to get your satisfaction. I am the owner of two publishing sites that are still in development and not operational as you will soon find out if you visit the sites at http://selfpublishingtool.com and http://secretcovepress.com. There is no secret to this and I appreciate the notice here although I would prefer it was a little more positive than ""Robert" is into the self-publishing racket".


EditFast does take a 40% cut from the gross proceeds of an EditFast project. Or so, its Web site states that it does. And "Robert" actively sends out email, pushing his special grade of editor membership. Such as described in this e-mail that "Robert" sent me less than 24 hours ago:
Yes, on both counts. Gary, I really do not understand what the problem is. You have never come directly to me with any questions. If I have not satisfied your concerns, please contact me directly and let me know what it is that you want.

I am afraid you will not be receiving any more mail from me as I have removed you from the EditFast site, but it is my understanding and my hope that this is what you wish.

ejket
08-08-2008, 03:30 PM
These ramblings have no meaning to me.
I know the feeling.

Is there some plan behind the way you're presenting yourself here? What largely matters is your business model, your level of competence, and how you treat people.

SWDetroit
08-08-2008, 03:33 PM
The ONLY way you would receive a message from me is if you registered on the EditFast site. I DO NOT send out spam.
I have never added my profile to LinkedIn. Some of these networking sites, like the hundreds of "work in your pajamas from home" sites, scour the net for information and place it on their sites without asking permission. The information you see on LinkedIn about EditFast is not correct and I did not create it. If you wish to see my education or my qualifications, my resume is in the public domain here: http://www.editfast.com/english/resume/resume.htm

Your posts here are full of false information and misleading assumptions. My only question is: "Why?" Why would you write false statements that are easily found out with a little research (in fact all you have to do is ask me).

The "college" you speak of is the University of British Columbia, where it took me two and a half years to complete my four-year honours degree in English and linguistics. I then moved to the University of Victoria for my MA in Canadian Literature.

A little late but yes, I do look for what people say about my company on the net as every businessperson should. I use "Google Alerts", a free service that sends you notifications when it discovers keywords/phrases of your choice. I hesitated in responding to this thread as it often leads to personal attacks (why, I don't know), but I cannot let false statements go uncorrected. I guess it's the editor in me.

Perhaps, the editor in Robert Kidd might correct his own false statements. Namely those in which he declares that he didn't create a LinkedIn profile. Yet, he thanks me for pointing out an error in his (the one he didn't even create...), so that he could correct it. [The error, BTW, was having Global misspelled as Gloabal. Even Canadians only use one 'a'...]

If Kidd of EditFast lied in at least one post in this thread already, why should anybody believe whatever else he utters?

Not that it mattered any, but I received another form e-mail from Kidd, which went into "great detail" as to my incomplete application's banishing from EditFast. As if I ever wanted in.

BTW, how many of his 1300 or 1500 people affiliated with him ever get any work there? There's no indication of how much work they get there. EditFast has no readily available feedback system as to his service providers that other freelance sites offer.

His form e-mail, received a little while ago this morning follows. I was heart struck...


Gary

Your profile and all your personal information has been removed from the EditFast database. This may be due to one or a number of the reasons listed below:
* Low test scores (min. 95%)
* Errors in grammar or spelling on your EditFast profile
* Errors in your email correspondence
* Inability to contact you
* Not responding to client queries
* Not responding to EditFast Admin queries
* Potential conflict with the EditFast goal of serving our clients quickly and professionally
* Mail is being returned from your registered address as undeliverable
* You have requested that we remove your profile
* Your qualifications do not meet the EditFast standard
* Incomplete registration info
* Attempting to send personal contact information to the client (This includes but is not limited to your email address, instant messenger address, Web site address, telephone number, mailing address, and last name.)

Thank you for your interest in EditFast and I wish you great success in your future endeavors.

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EditFast
08-09-2008, 05:41 AM
Gary

Although I think people here are smart enough to recognize the spitefulness in your posts (I honestly do not know why you are so offended by EditFast when all I am trying to do is send money-making editing jobs to people for free.)

Anyway, this thread has taken a turn toward a personal attack that I am not comfortable with. Asking questions about EditFast policies etc. is fine, but when you call me a liar in a public forum, I first have to respond to clarify, but after this post I will no longer take part.

Just to clear up the misunderstanding about the LinkedIn profile. (I still don't know why you think I would lie about this or why you think it is so bad to have connections around the net.) The way you described the LinkedIn profile sounded to me like the one that exists called "EditFast" which is NOT mine. (I wish it was, but I cannot do anything about someone creating a profile under that name.) I do have a LinkedIn profile that was created recently and this is the one you referred to in your second mention (the one that contained a spelling error which you so kindly pointed out Gary. Thank you for that. I am very proud of the way I have promoted EditFast and LinkedIn is just one way to do so. (I have also opened a profile on other social networking sites and fail to see why Gary does not think this is a good idea.)

I have no desire or intention to mislead anyone and certainly do not lie. EditFast policies are an open book for anyone to see and at any time you are free to contact me directly to ask questions.

Ali B
08-09-2008, 06:34 AM
I'm not sure that Editfast has done anything wrong, so I'm not going to take sides. But, from my view from working with other sites, 40% is a BIG cut and anyone thinking about working with this company should ask themselves if the cut is worth it.
For example, say you were contracted to do a job. You price your fee low so that you can get the job. To go any lower would give you a lot of work for too small of an amount.
Now, imagine you got this contract job through a site like Editfast. After you complete the editing job, the site takes almost half your profits. So, you either have to price your work higher to make up for that huge cut and possibly lose a client, or you price your work low, get the client, and get paid a pittance.
It's a hard situation...

EditFast
08-09-2008, 09:28 AM
I'm not sure that Editfast has done anything wrong, so I'm not going to take sides. But, from my view from working with other sites, 40% is a BIG cut and anyone thinking about working with this company should ask themselves if the cut is worth it.

Alina
I have to interrupt here to thank you for not taking sides. However, you have your facts wrong in your understanding of the system at EditFast and I am surprised that you would write something like this without first asking me or without simply checking the site to see what the policies truly are and instead post it here in a public forum where it will stay FOREVER so that my great grandchildren and yours will see it and wonder...

As is stated in several places on the EditFast site, EditFast receives 40% of the final price of every project. The freelance editor who accepts a job through EditFast sets his/her rate. The client pays EditFast the Editor's rate as negotiated directly with the client, plus 40%. EditFast pays the editor the editor's negotiated rate. The editor gets what he/she wants. The client gets what he/she wants. EditFast gets paid for helping two people connect.

For example, say you were contracted to do a job. You price your fee low so that you can get the job. To go any lower would give you a lot of work for too small of an amount.
Now, imagine you got this contract job through a site like Editfast. After you complete the editing job, the site takes almost half your profits.

EditFast does NOT take any profits from the editor. The editor receives the exact amount that editor has requested of EditFast. EditFast receives the exact amount negotiated with the client. The client pays EditFast. EditFast Pays the editor.


So, you either have to price your work higher to make up for that huge cut and possibly lose a client, or you price your work low, get the client, and get paid a pittance.
It's a hard situation...
Yes, the competition is tough, but even now clients looking for quality editors are willing to pay the price for the right specialist.

SWDetroit
08-09-2008, 03:17 PM
Notice how defensive EditFast is and everything they (he, Robert, whatever, whoever...) does is OK and everything mentioned in an adverse or critical light about EditFast is wrong--at least in the eyes of its owner... It's not that I'm so "spiteful," but rather that EditFast is not such a great deal for those editors and others who "work" with (for) EditFast.

Indeed, a pay cut of 40% is very high and significant. For example, the "Priceline" among the freelancing sites--Elance.com--only takes a cut of 8.75%, of which 2% is the passing on of the financing costs of VISA, etc. directly to the service provider. And if the provider has business over a certain amount, that rate is but 6.75%. So, 40% indeed is huge in comparison, and what does a service provider get for that 40%??? Not much--not anything, actually--to my "spiteful" eyes and Mensan brain...

And yes, "Robert" of EditFast and his other companies, when you lie to and about me and worm your way around this board with respect to the responses of others, I will tend to directly counter them. If that appears "spiteful" to you, TOUGH! I'm more brutally honest than spiteful, though. I've always countered criticism and deceit from the likes of you in a similar manner. Facts should prevail over false portrayals of substance (your smoke and mirrors).

Another thing... If you have so much "business" for your EditFast, how come the default profile for an "editor" there is your profile??? If EditFast has so much business, how come that "excess" business is directed toward you??? That wouldn't be possible if EditFast wanted to distribute its massive business among its "more than 1500" editors, proofreaders, etc.

Not that it's wrong in having a means for "Robert" to drop off nonlucrative, excess business there that overworked, busy "Robert" cannot handle himself on occasion to some service providers allied with EditFast. However, it's a stretch of faith for one to make if "Robert" would claim that EditFast is doing so so much business for his corral of editors, etc. Almost all of that anyway is hidden from his service providers, clients, and any onlookers--quite unlike Guru or Elance, where everything seems to be above board...

Emily Winslow
08-09-2008, 07:29 PM
I've read the whole thread and I'm confused by the anger at EditFast. Sure, let's debate the pros and cons of the business model, but the viciousness is baffling.

Ali B
08-09-2008, 08:56 PM
Alina
I have to interrupt here to thank you for not taking sides. However, you have your facts wrong in your understanding of the system at EditFast and I am surprised that you would write something like this without first asking me or without simply checking the site to see what the policies truly are and instead post it here in a public forum where it will stay FOREVER so that my great grandchildren and yours will see it and wonder...

As is stated in several places on the EditFast site, EditFast receives 40% of the final price of every project. The freelance editor who accepts a job through EditFast sets his/her rate. The client pays EditFast the Editor's rate as negotiated directly with the client, plus 40%. EditFast pays the editor the editor's negotiated rate. The editor gets what he/she wants. The client gets what he/she wants. EditFast gets paid for helping two people connect.
EditFast does NOT take any profits from the editor. The editor receives the exact amount that editor has requested of EditFast. EditFast receives the exact amount negotiated with the client. The client pays EditFast. EditFast Pays the editor.

Yes, the competition is tough, but even now clients looking for quality editors are willing to pay the price for the right specialist.

How is any of that different from what I said??? YOU DO make money from the editor if you take a 40% cut. If you weren't in the deal the editor would get to make 40% more money. Try not to be so defensive!

Ali B
08-09-2008, 09:01 PM
Indeed, a pay cut of 40% is very high and significant. For example, the "Priceline" among the freelancing sites--Elance.com--only takes a cut of 8.75%, of which 2% is the passing on of the financing costs of VISA, etc. directly to the service provider. And if the provider has business over a certain amount, that rate is but 6.75%. So, 40% indeed is huge in comparison, and what does a service provider get for that 40%???

Exactly my point, SW. I have dealt with many sites like Elance and none of them come even close to charging a 40% cut. Elance gets a very small cut, as does Guru.

EditFast
08-10-2008, 11:55 AM
I know the feeling.

Is there some plan behind the way you're presenting yourself here? What largely matters is your business model, your level of competence, and how you treat people.
The "plan" is to correct misconceptions and factual errors. It bothers me to see people who profess to be editors quoting others who know nothing about EditFast or its policies and procedures when they are all clearly posted on the site in several different locations.

In addition, it truly offends me to see my name and reputation slandered in a public forum in this manner and I cannot let that pass. I look at my 2 yr old son and sadly wonder if he will see this when he is older and ask himself, "Why would someone call my daddy a liar?" I know, and my son knows I am an honest person so I am not too worried about this for my son, but what about all of those potential clients that might have come to EditFast but see this thread and hesitate or change their mind? That is extremely irritating to me and means my business will suffer because of the uninformed ramblings of someone who has a need to attack me and my company with false accusations and misinformed conclusions. It also means some of my editors will not receive the work that these clients might have brought to EditFast. Then again, perhaps that is the goal of this individual.

In fact, I know my son will see this. The Internet is the closest thing to eternity on earth. I would ask all of you to be very careful when making posts here and anywhere on the net as they do not go away and will never be erased.

EditFast
08-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Exactly my point, SW. I have dealt with many sites like Elance and none of them come even close to charging a 40% cut. Elance gets a very small cut, as does Guru.
Once again Alina, EditFast does not charge the editor anything at anytime for any project, ever. Every editor receives exactly what that editor decides they want to charge for that project. The client pays EditFast the amount that EditFast negotiates with the client. EditFast pays the editor the amount that editor has negotiated with EditFast. EditFast gets the difference.

EditFast
08-10-2008, 12:21 PM
How is any of that different from what I said??? YOU DO make money from the editor if you take a 40% cut. If you weren't in the deal the editor would get to make 40% more money. Try not to be so defensive!
Sorry if I sounded defensive Alina, but I hope you can understand why it has spilled over from other conversations in this thread.

The editor does not pay anything for a project, ever. Every editor receives exactly what they feel comfortable charging on every project. The client pays EditFast and EditFast pays the editor.

I do NOT make money from the editor. My promotional efforts and the sites existence are bringing the clients to the editor web page profiles. The editor is provided with work from the EditFast site. The editor makes money from me, not the other way around. These clients are EditFast's clients. I have spent thousands of dollars in the promotion and development of the EditFast site. I am sending the work to the editor free of charge.

Voyager
08-10-2008, 12:46 PM
Once again Alina, EditFast does not charge the editor anything at anytime for any project, ever. Every editor receives exactly what that editor decides they want to charge for that project. The client pays EditFast the amount that EditFast negotiates with the client. EditFast pays the editor the amount that editor has negotiated with EditFast. EditFast gets the difference.To me, this practice is crystal clear. I don't understand why people are having difficulty mapping this. Just out of curiosity, however, is the client aware of the 40% mark up in editing charges? If so, I can only assume that your site's services are well worth the money or you wouldn't have any clients at all.

EditFast
08-10-2008, 12:59 PM
To me, this practice is crystal clear. I don't understand why people are having difficulty mapping this. Just out of curiosity, however, is the client aware of the 40% mark up in editing charges? If so, I can only assume that your site's services are well worth the money or you wouldn't have any clients at all.
Thank you for the vote of confidence. The information is available on the site in the client area and in the public area as well as in the editor area. We provide a service to the client with the thorough screening process we put the freelancers through before they even get to display their web pages to the public. After that their editing is monitored and all communication between editors and clients is monitored for professionalism and to maintain the flow of the project in the pursuit of client satisfaction. Yes, our clients are certainly willing to pay for quality work and experienced, professional editors.

Voyager
08-10-2008, 01:04 PM
Thank you for the vote of confidence. The information is available on the site in the client area and in the public area as well as in the editor area. We provide a service to the client with the thorough screening process we put the freelancers through before they even get to display their web pages to the public. After that their editing is monitored and all communication between editors and clients is monitored for professionalism and to maintain the flow of the project in the pursuit of client satisfaction. Yes, our clients are certainly willing to pay for quality work and experienced, professional editors.

Well, I'm hardly an editor, but I don't get what the uproar is all about. Maybe it's just miscommunication, but I don't see anything questionable about the way you charge. As far as I can tell, you're just trying to run a business. I saw nothing insinuating that this is a philanthropic endeavor and everyone has a right to make a living.

Ali B
08-10-2008, 07:33 PM
I'm not saying there is anything questionable about your practices and I understand you don't directly take from the editors. What I'm trying to convey to you is that the 40% markup makes the project a hell of a lot more expensive for the client, which may drive away business for the editor. If you read my post, above, you would have understood what I meant. I think you are so busy being defensive you can't take any constructive crits.

victoriastrauss
08-10-2008, 07:42 PM
I think this discussion has run its course, and each side has thoroughly made its point. Let's either move on to other matters, or let this thread go silent for a while.

Thanks.

- Victoria