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nancy sv
10-22-2007, 10:57 PM
I've read all the warnings and promise you that I will NOT go with PA for any book that I hope to distribute to the public. However, I'm wondering if there are any circumstances under which PA would be a good way to go. I'm thinking maybe a family history or something like that where one only intends to give the book to their family. It seems like, in that case, PA would be great - you would get two free copies and can buy the others at a discount. If you are only considering getting 10 or 15 copies anyway, wouldn't that be an OK plan? No - I don't have a famly history book, but I'm trying to figure out what circumstances PA would be a good choice for.

mscelina
10-22-2007, 11:01 PM
in a word....no, not really.

okay that was three words but I'm sure you get the point. If you only want 10-15 copies why not self pub and spare yourself the angst?

Siddow
10-22-2007, 11:04 PM
In that case, just go through Lulu. You can even keep it private so you get your 15 copies and nobody else even has to know.

JerseyGirl1962
10-22-2007, 11:07 PM
However, I'm wondering if there are any circumstances under which PA would be a good way to go. I'm thinking maybe a family history or something like that where one only intends to give the book to their family. It seems like, in that case, PA would be great - you would get two free copies and can buy the others at a discount. If you are only considering getting 10 or 15 copies anyway, wouldn't that be an OK plan?

You'd be better off with lulu.com. They don't introduce typos, the books don't fall apart (from what I've heard), and you/family/friends aren't pressured into buying any copies.

Your local copy shop can do it cheaper than PA, too, printing it in color and spiral bound, if you want.

So, no, PA isn't even good enough to be a decent printer.

~Nancy

Sheryl Nantus
10-22-2007, 11:07 PM
maybe if it's a choice between gnawing your own foot off when it's in a bear trap...

nah.

Marian Perera
10-22-2007, 11:09 PM
Are there ANY instances where PA would be a good option?

If you've got the next sting manuscript, sure.

nancy sv
10-22-2007, 11:14 PM
Gosh! I guess you guys are pretty convinced eh?? (And no - I don't have anything I want to publish like that, but I was wondering if it might OK in certain circumstances).

brianm
10-22-2007, 11:14 PM
If you've got the next sting manuscript, sure.

Diddo.


(Sorry, I've had a desire to use that spelling since it made its appearance in some other threads. It just screams "battery operated." :D)

benbradley
10-22-2007, 11:19 PM
What if your worst enemy says he/she has a manuscript and asks you to suggest a publisher? Hmm, seems like a moral question to me: Are there things you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy? Is PA one of them?

If you've got the next sting manuscript, sure.
Does PA really care? Well, I do recall that they've sent cartooney-letters to some sting participants - if there were more stings, would it take all their effort chasing down the participants?

LloydBrown
10-22-2007, 11:32 PM
Gosh! I guess you guys are pretty convinced eh??
and

It seems like, in that case, PA would be great - you would get two free copies and can buy the others at a discount.

It's not even so much a question of "convinced" as "having done the math." PA's author discount is based on their overpriced books, making it more expensive than going directly with Lulu.com. Lulu's book price calculator is here (http://www.paperthetown.com/oldptt/lulu.html). Even counting the two free copies they give you, Lulu is cheaper after only a few copies. What's more, they don't add mistakes, they don't short you royalties, they don't take your publishing rights for 7 years, they don't spam your relatives, and they don't send you tone letters. Also, you have total creative control with Lulu. Want a new edition? Send it up. Don't like your cover? Change it.

PA offers nothing.

BarbJ
10-22-2007, 11:44 PM
Better value at Lulu and others, and you aren't supporting a scam operation. :)

JulieB
10-23-2007, 12:01 AM
When someone orders your book directly from the publisher (as in lulu) you can be pretty darn sure it'll get printed and shipped in a timely manner.

nancy sv
10-23-2007, 12:13 AM
I am amazed at how quickly you are all responding here! I've heard you mention before that going with Lulu was a better option, but I haven't even looked at anything - PA or Lulu, but I totally believe you. I guess PA might be an OK thing to wish upon my worst enemy... or maybe not.

Medievalist
10-23-2007, 06:14 AM
No. There's no good reason.

Seriously, Lulu is a really really good idea, if you've already tried everything you can try in terms of conventional consumer publishing.

nancy sv
10-23-2007, 07:14 AM
If I ever want to self publish something, I'll be sure to go with Lulu!! Sounds like that's the way to go for sure.

JulieB
10-23-2007, 07:16 AM
One thing nancy sv pointed out that some works are best self-pubbed, like family histories. Lulu is perfect for that sort of thing - short run, small audience.

Otherwise, yeah. Why self-pub a novel?

DaveKuzminski
10-24-2007, 04:10 AM
PA books are not only overpriced for reading, but also for kindling and door stops. ;)

nancy sv
10-24-2007, 05:18 AM
But they would make good kindling, wouldn't they??

jamiehall
10-25-2007, 01:54 AM
If you want to hurt PA, yes, but only if you do it like this:

-Feed some public domain text into a computerized poetry generator.

-Produce 750 or so pages of this nonsense (bigger is better!).

-Waste as much of PA's time as possible in the pre-contract-signing phase. You are costing them time they could have spent pursuing a genuine victim. But, unlike the post-contract-signing phase, they won't just ignore you.

-Get your two free books from PA, and NEVER purchase a single copy.

-For your friends and family list, give them the names of your enemies, or perhaps politicians you vehemently disagree with, so your real friends and family won't be bothered.

Congratulations! You've just cost PA about $300.

nancy sv
10-25-2007, 04:51 AM
Someone should try that to see what happens!! I would LOVE to see the reaction of PA after it came to light.

benbradley
10-25-2007, 06:04 AM
I think before anyone reading this even THINKS of submitting any text to PA, a Magic Ingredient should be added: Steganography. For example, the first (or third, or last, whatever) letter of each word, sentence, and/or paragraph should spell out something pertinent such as "PublishAmerica Sucks." Make it a formula that's not easily discerned - no doubt they're reading these words.

If you want to hurt PA, yes, but only if you do it like this:
...
-For your friends and family list, give them the names of your enemies, or perhaps politicians you vehemently disagree with, so your real friends and family won't be bothered.
How about the names of state attorney generals, heads of state business licensing boards and such...

This isn't "disrespecting my fellow writer" is it? Can't think of an actual writer who's being disrespected here...

No writers were harmed in the composition and posting of this message.

allenparker
10-25-2007, 05:09 PM
If you want to hurt PA, yes, but only if you do it like this:

-Feed some public domain text into a computerized poetry generator.

-Produce 750 or so pages of this nonsense (bigger is better!).

-Waste as much of PA's time as possible in the pre-contract-signing phase. You are costing them time they could have spent pursuing a genuine victim. But, unlike the post-contract-signing phase, they won't just ignore you.

-Get your two free books from PA, and NEVER purchase a single copy.

-For your friends and family list, give them the names of your enemies, or perhaps politicians you vehemently disagree with, so your real friends and family won't be bothered.

Congratulations! You've just cost PA about $300.

Make sure to ask for a $10 advance.

They will go for this. Also ask for them to put in writing the one time 50% discount. It will encourage them to go for the extra costs.

There are some more things you can do. Anyone choosing this option, PM me for the rest.

James D. Macdonald
10-25-2007, 09:59 PM
When talking about Lulu.com, don't forget to check out Cafepress as well.

Or check with your local print shop (look in the Yellow Pages for one near you). They may be able to beat Lulu or CafePress's price if you know the exact number of copies you want.

nancy sv
10-26-2007, 08:43 PM
I am seriously considering contacting PA with some kind of bogus manuscript - whaddyathink?? Should I go for it??

Siddow
10-26-2007, 08:50 PM
I am seriously considering contacting PA with some kind of bogus manuscript - whaddyathink?? Should I go for it??

I wouldn't.

I guess the thing to ask yourself is: What's your point? What do you hope to gain? What do you stand to lose?

benbradley
10-26-2007, 09:46 PM
I am seriously considering contacting PA with some kind of bogus manuscript - whaddyathink?? Should I go for it??
Personally, I'm happy with just taking potshots at PA from this and similar threads. My thinking is if you play with snakes too much, you could get bitten. Siddow asked good questions to answer before going forward.

Don't identify yourself as "nancy sv", as they're surely reading this, nor your full real name. I'd pick a name that would be embarrassing to PA - "Travis Tea" is already taken, and "Ted Bundy" is a bit too obvious, but I think you get the idea.

I'd take up Allen's offer of discussing it in PM's, and not discuss it any more in these "public" threads (they DO get indexed by Google!). And Allen, don't answer anyone's PM's about this you don't already know from these threads!

Ben, paranoid about PA...

nancy sv
10-27-2007, 08:48 PM
I wouldn't.

I guess the thing to ask yourself is: What's your point? What do you hope to gain? What do you stand to lose?

I dunno. It might be fun to do. But then again, I've got a million things on my plate and not enough time as it is. Maybe I'll table that idea and maybe pull it out at some point in the future when I have more time....