Posting Excerpts/Summaries On-line

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AnneMarble

In an e-book discussion group, an author recently posted a brief excerpt of her WIP (work in progress) as well as a blurb of the plot. Later, she said that her editor told her she should never post anything of a WIP on-line, not even a summary. Her editor's reasoning was that some unscrupulous people could steal the writer's ideas or even her text.

Is this a real concern? Now, I've heard that you shouldn't post substantial portions of your WIP on-line before publication because that means a substantial portion of the work will be considered published. And what is a substantial portion? :shrug

But ... that's a completely different reason for not posting excerpts, and it doesn't relate to posting summaries. I've never heard editors warn against posting plot summaries! :wha You can't copyright and idea, and just because someone else comes out with a book about surfing Ninja ghosts, that doesn't mean they stole it from you. (Of course, if someone steals your text, that's outright plagiarism and a completely different thing.)

One reason all this puzzled me was because I've read that when authors worry about someone stealing their ideas, that marks them as an amateur. Or does that only apply to authors worrying about editors stealing their ideas? Are we suposed to be worrying about other writers stealing our ideas? I often blog about my novels in progress, but I have yet to see anyone else publishing a book about a gay barbarian and mage meeting in a prison of mages. Or about a counter tenor who is also a mage. :rofl And if they did publish something along those lines, I would love to read it because I'm sure it would be completely different from my stories.

Also, some of the posts I saw implied that you couldn't share the work with a critique group. Yet most critique groups I've belonged to are password-protected, so you have to join the group to be able to read it. Thus it is not supposed to be considered published. Is this correct, or do publishers still consider work posted in a password-protected critique group (such as Critters or FMwriters) to be published?
 

XThe NavigatorX

I've honestly never head of someone stealing a novel off the net and then getting it published under their own name. I've heard and seen it happen a couple times with short stories, but not enough for it to be a real concern. Besides, like you said, even if two people started with the same idea (like... cockroaches suddenly gain mass intelligence and a thirst for human blood, etc.) the novels will end up completely different anyway.

Anything that cycles through a private critique group is not considered published, and I've never heard of an editor thinking it is. In fact, I first heard of critters a couple years back because they were... recommended... to me by an editor. *cough*
 

publishorperish

Does this mean that if I post a story I wrote on my blog that I'm self-published? Hehe...that seems a bit ludicrous. Aww well, anyone is welcome to my rubbish.
 

AnneMarble

Does this mean that if I post a story I wrote on my blog that I'm self-published? Hehe...that seems a bit ludicrous. Aww well, anyone is welcome to my rubbish.

IANAL but I think that constitutes using up the first rights for that story. So if you ever try to sell that story to a magazine or anthology, it would be considered a reprint. IIRC if the work was put up on the Web, you're supposed to tell the editor that it was previously published. (And if you don't tell them, they will probably find out.)

If you're not expecting to publish that story, I guess it doesn't matter. But you should be careful anyway because you might put the story up and later change your mind and decide you want to submit it.

This area gets really really gray if you put up only a part of the story, or a portion (such as a chapter) of a novel. (Is it a substantial portion, or not?) And it gets even murkier if you make revisions. (Are the revisions substantial, or not?)

Anyway... :huh
 

publishorperish

The makes sense. Thanks for the eye opener <img border=0 src="http://www.absolutewrite.com/images/emoteClap.gif" />.
 

Risseybug

I first heard of critters a couple years back because they were... recommended... to me by an editor. *cough*

:grin And what's wrong with that?? I love Critters. I am on hiatus from them now, until I get a handle on my life. Probably go back to them after the holidays.
 

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critters

Oh, nothing wrong with Critters. I love Critters! If you write scifi, horror, or fantasy, it is the single best resource on the Internet. I was just lamenting the fact my story was so bad the editor went out of her way to send me there.
 

Risseybug

Re: critters

I've read plenty of good stuff from Critters, myself. I don't think that a story has to be necessarily bad, just need some polishing.

Of course, I've read some real stinkers too.
 
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