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alexandra6
09-14-2007, 07:52 PM
Good Day,

After countless threads, posts and blogs on outing the POD Publisher, Publish America, many have veered away from their destructive path.

However, if you are one of them, you know what? It's ok. Really. As much as it would be gloriously perfect to land our first title at an S&S or B&N, it is less then more that these situations occur. That is why many authors question on whether or not to acquire an agent.

To be represented or Not to be...that is the question. Mainly because like myself, I didn't do enough research on them when the now famous e-mail came through my computer.

You know what? That's still ok. Really. This was my lesson to learn and my cross to bare. But, to be negative and constantly re-hash the mishap that occurred, would be a waste of time, energy and focus on moving forward.

It is not to say my first novel stinks, because you know what? It really doesn't. Really. Yup, some typo's...again my lesson to learn and others have learned through wonderful threads and forums such as AW. Thank you to them as they are like the internet literary police!

It's not only PA, but many outfits out there need to be researched before leaping into the publishing waters. As with anything in life, one must weigh what options they have. Some have more then others.

I tried B&N solely based on the fact that they have housed 5 plus decades of my father's titles. They couldn't have been less of a help. I have connections to a re-print editor there and my father's editor for non-fiction.
I dealt with the head of small vendors and press release in reviewing my PA book. She said I maybe the exception to the POD rule. Why? Not just because of my father. But because I was marketing myself way before the first book came out and kept on it. I also kept her in the loop via e-mail as she always thanked me for updating her.

I knew they would say no to shelving the book. In the end, very few exceptions are made with rules when your an unknown or have very little connections. Then, I learned, that many traditionally published books don't get shelved either, but stand a better chance of coarse in doing so. I kept researching and learning. I love my first book because the cover art is awesome and I had many sleepless nights in that process, as a former graphic designer. After learning about PA, I worsened throughout the process of completing the book.

My experience there was good because the editor was always polite and interested in my upcoming radio shows. I can't say anything negative there.

The designer, well my impression was she was young and although talented, not very good at client/designer communication. This I know because I use to be her, only worked in reputable companies in NYC.

I got angry then tired of feeling scared that no-one would purchase my Lady Ambrosia. Now what? Wasn't that the whole point? Witness the fruits of my labor soar to top literary heights? Another life lesson learned.

I became proud of my accomplishment regardless and no, I wouldn't recommend PA to anyone. I also wouldn't recommend going the way of POD for the first time if you want to play the game and receive literary validation. It will take longer and more thick skin needed, but in the end, the choice is ultimately up to the new author.

Traditional Vs. POD is an on-going debate and some are better then others on both sides of the publishing fence.

Research, have patience and don't ever question yourself. Your good, you know your good and if you keep at it, other's well connected will know it to.

Don't think to much. Just create and re-create until polished. Gather your well researched list of who you want to query and then go for it. Then, let it go and go on with your life. If it is meant to be, it will. Follow up, follow up and follow up.

Life is meant to be lived and enjoyed. Market yourself whether you have an agent or not. Only you know yourself best. Stay healthy and on top of your game and don't worry about what others are doing. Take from them what you will, but you make your own life path and choices at the end of the writing day!

I wish everyone luck and health.

Best,

Author, Alexandra Holzer
http://www.hauntingholzer.com

ChunkyC
09-14-2007, 08:39 PM
Um -- I don't think this belongs in the Stories of Strength forum. I'm moving it to the PA forum.

alexandra6
09-14-2007, 08:48 PM
Um -- I don't think this belongs in the Stories of Strength forum. I'm moving it to the PA forum.

Sure. No problem and thank you.

Ol' Fashioned Girl
09-14-2007, 09:00 PM
We share another common bond, alexandra6. And you're absolutely right.

alexandra6
09-14-2007, 09:26 PM
We share another common bond, alexandra6. And you're absolutely right.

Thank you. I would hope that more and more authors of this generation will become more savvy in their research because it is a different world out there for publishing.

When my father began his legacy, traditional was it. Now, to be a new author in today's publishing standards, you have traditional, POD and more and more people are simply writing better. You have workshops, better institutions and sites like this one.

As one is armed better, one is also brushing up against larger competition.

Now more then ever, one must be as sharp as a tack.

Believe me, I am not thrilled with my choice, but nonetheless, I can either go on and grip about it like crying over spilled milk. Or, I can turn it around, find a positive. I am proud of my work and PA or anyone for that matter, can't take that away.

And so, I forge ahead looking for brighter spots towards writing and coping in a changing industry. I will adapt and play the game but I refuse to cow-tow my thoughts, opinions and experiences to have many like or dislike me. I am genuine and by putting myself out there, accept the good with the bad with the comments that are posted.

I still will wish everyone a good day.

My very best to you!


Alexandra

alexandra6
09-14-2007, 10:41 PM
Hi Alexandra and welcome to AW.

Thank you as it is good to be here.

Best to you!

Alexandra

James D. Macdonald
09-15-2007, 02:06 AM
You're right, it's okay. Now go out and write a new, different, better book and sell it to somewhere real.

alexandra6
09-15-2007, 03:00 AM
You're right, it's okay. Now go out and write a new, different, better book and sell it to somewhere real.

Thank you and on with the show. You know what? If I make it in the entertainment industry, I am going back to these roots and pluck out a bunch of PA authors and revive them as then, I could through good connections. Only those who want it of coarse.

Best to you!

Alexandra

DaveKuzminski
09-15-2007, 07:22 AM
Of course.

alexandra6
09-15-2007, 04:13 PM
Of course.


Thanks and my very best to you! Here are my word pet peeves list:

1) Course vs coarse

2) Then vs than

3) Its vs it's

4) Too vs to

5) To fragment or not to fragment

Anyone else have more to add to this list?

Thank you.

Alexandra

alexandra6
09-15-2007, 04:25 PM
Welcome to the cooler alexandra6, it's always nice to see another PA author on the cooler.

It is nice to be here. PA is the most popular no-no in POD publishing which I assume goes hand in hand with Vanity Presses. Look, I am proud that I was able to learn from this experinece and not come away bitter.

I am on this thread to help those not be bitter. IMO it is senseless, a waste of talented energy and to support my fellow PA authors, I am going to read your books...slowly but I will get there.

Why not? It's not about the money, even with traditional as it can take years to build up a fan base. But, this is certainly not the route to take to be taken seriously sadly enough. It doesn't mean all PA authors suck and really it is PA who sucks!

There are poorly written books everywhere, and yes, in traditional as well. PA has received so much attention that it black lists you and your work, regardless if it is a good piece of story telling. I am pulling myself up through their sneaky slush pile to take a breath and say, it's ok.

I'd rather go through that experience then be told by my doctor I have Cancer. Ya know? Placing it all in perspective yet understanding what has happened at the same time. Tricky...but not impossible.

So, that is why I say on with the show as I wish everyone well on their next piece of writing.

That's all folks!

Best to you!

Alexandra

VGrossack
09-15-2007, 11:22 PM
Thanks and my very best to you! Here are my word pet peeves list:

1) Course vs coarse

2) Then vs than

3) Its vs it's

4) Too vs to

5) To fragment or not to fragment

Anyone else have more to add to this list?

Thank you.

Alexandra


"loose" when it should be "lose"

I have a monthly column in an e-zine called Fiction Fix. In July, I did a piece called "Grammatical Griping," which can be found here:

http://www.coffeehouseforwriters.com/fictionfix/0707%20Grossack.html

It covers my pet peeves (and also, why people make some of the mistakes they make). In August I wrote a companion piece, called "Grammatical Groping" - this goes over areas where the language has, IMO, been evolving and where there is currently no single correct answer to how something should be written:

http://www.coffeehouseforwriters.com/fictionfix/0708%20Grossack.html

alexandra6
09-16-2007, 01:53 AM
"loose" when it should be "lose"

I have a monthly column in an e-zine called Fiction Fix. In July, I did a piece called "Grammatical Griping," which can be found here:

http://www.coffeehouseforwriters.com/fictionfix/0707%20Grossack.html

It covers my pet peeves (and also, why people make some of the mistakes they make). In August I wrote a companion piece, called "Grammatical Groping" - this goes over areas where the language has, IMO, been evolving and where there is currently no single correct answer to how something should be written:

http://www.coffeehouseforwriters.com/fictionfix/0708%20Grossack.html


Awesome links! I am glad you pointed that out, aside from your addition to my list of grammatical pet peeves. The way I write, and the new words that have formed over time, do not have a place yet like the new digital technology of printing.

Thus, creating further confusion and ruler smacking lessons when one writes. I really appreciate your comment to this thread and would hope more can come out and tell me about new words and sentences they have come across.

When was the last time the english dictionary was updated, how often and is there any other dictionaries, on-line or in print that have begun to include a new generation of words? Many of which I have found on popular gossip sites for the entertainment industry. Is nonsensical a word?

In any event, I look forward to your column. I am going to print it out and use it as my guide. If it is not in front of my nose, I will not learn properly as I have many distractions around me. I thank you for your site!

Be well.

Alexandra
http://www.hauntingholzer.com

scully931
09-16-2007, 08:49 AM
While it's true most people's bone to pick is with PA and not its authors, I liken it to buying a kitten or puppy in a pet store instead of adopting one from a shelter. It is not that dog or cat's fault that it was bred. And yes, purchasing it will give it a better life. However, you are supporting things such as puppy mills, etc. It may be difficult not to help that one dog or cat. But, avoiding it for a shelter adoption helps the problem in the long run, which helps more dogs and cats in the long run.

alexandra6
09-16-2007, 06:19 PM
While it's true most people's bone to pick is with PA and not its authors, I liken it to buying a kitten or puppy in a pet store instead of adopting one from a shelter. It is not that dog or cat's fault that it was bred. And yes, purchasing it will give it a better life. However, you are supporting things such as puppy mills, etc. It may be difficult not to help that one dog or cat. But, avoiding it for a shelter adoption helps the problem in the long run, which helps more dogs and cats in the long run.

What I support or do not support is not my point here, nor do I go into that as that would be like getting into a political debate. I am proud regardless and that is my right and cannot be challenged. I am an individual with the right to feel, think, talk, believe, like or dislike and everything I am about is the positives at the end of one's day.

I am not hiding the fact that my first book was with PA and I am not harping on it either. I am neutral and I was disappointed after learning then turned it around and am going on with my next projects. There are problems everywhere my friend and this is just past the point of enough is enough. There are good authors there as well as there are not so good, and you know what? Traditional carries those too!

This is not a war and as for my threads, I am upfront in my thoughts and ways and hide nothing. I am here to be supportive and pleasant. I think forewarning threads are needed followed by experiences. But to extend past that point where people just want to bash because there angry, is not my forum. While it maybe for others, as I respect their rights, it is simply not for me and ask that my rights are respected in return.

On that note, have a nice day!

Best,

Alexandra

DaveKuzminski
09-16-2007, 06:37 PM
...

This is not a war and as for my threads, I am upfront in my thoughts and ways and hide nothing. I am here to be supportive and pleasant. I think forewarning threads are needed followed by experiences. But to extend past that point where people just want to bash because there angry, is not my forum. While it maybe for others, as I respect their rights, it is simply not for me and ask that my rights are respected in return.

...

This is a war. PA has attacked authors and others who had nothing whatsoever to do with it. Some never even expressed an opinion against it. PA's attacks have been unprovoked and unjustified in their instances, so it is a war. PA made it so.

You may be supportive and pleasant all you want. That doesn't change the nature of the beast that is PublishAmerica. It's a business that operates in a criminal manner. Supporting its authors by purchasing their books from PA only supports PA because we already know for a fact that PA often fails to pay royalties. Thus the proceeds don't go toward helping your fellow authors, some of whom may be very good writers. It only supports PA so that it can remain in operation and fleece others.

If you don't understand that, then put it in a different context. Would you be so neutral if PA regularly went out into neighborhoods and robbed people? Would you merely say that's bad and I'm neutral? No, you'd be up in arms demanding that the authorities do something. Well, that's what we're doing. We're demanding that something be done and we're warning everyone possible about PA's activities. The proof has already been provided. You're a witness yourself.

So if you want to participate here, that's fine, but don't ask us to adjust our outrage to suit your sensitivities.

Little Red Barn
09-16-2007, 06:50 PM
This is a war. PA has attacked authors and others who had nothing whatsoever to do with it. Some never even expressed an opinion against it. PA's attacks have been unprovoked and unjustified in their instances, so it is a war. PA made it so.

You may be supportive and pleasant all you want. That doesn't change the nature of the beast that is PublishAmerica. It's a business that operates in a criminal manner. Supporting its authors by purchasing their books from PA only supports PA because we already know for a fact that PA often fails to pay royalties. Thus the proceeds don't go toward helping your fellow authors, some of whom may be very good writers. It only supports PA so that it can remain in operation and fleece others.

If you don't understand that, then put it in a different context. Would you be so neutral if PA regularly went out into neighborhoods and robbed people? Would you merely say that's bad and I'm neutral? No, you'd be up in arms demanding that the authorities do something. Well, that's what we're doing. We're demanding that something be done and we're warning everyone possible about PA's activities. The proof has already been provided. You're a witness yourself.

So if you want to participate here, that's fine, but don't ask us to adjust our outrage to suit your sensitivities.
Dave, question please, why can't a big atty come in and sue PA? Would this help stop them? I'm guessing they take your books and hold rights :shrugs:??? Is that the big picture.?

shakeysix
09-16-2007, 07:13 PM
i really would like to be switzerland in this pa thing, but dave has a point. some of the pa authors are vulnerable enough to soften even my stony heart. they are easy prey and not the types to thank us for their rescue. the idea of fighting pa legally does not apply to me. i had the "luck" or "common good sense"--(your choice) to back off. a legal battle does not appeal to me, either. i have my own work to agonize over. and face it, no one knows the law better than scammers. does anyone have any ideas that do not involve a legal battle?--s6

alexandra6
09-16-2007, 11:06 PM
This is a war. PA has attacked authors and others who had nothing whatsoever to do with it. Some never even expressed an opinion against it. PA's attacks have been unprovoked and unjustified in their instances, so it is a war. PA made it so.

You may be supportive and pleasant all you want. That doesn't change the nature of the beast that is PublishAmerica. It's a business that operates in a criminal manner. Supporting its authors by purchasing their books from PA only supports PA because we already know for a fact that PA often fails to pay royalties. Thus the proceeds don't go toward helping your fellow authors, some of whom may be very good writers. It only supports PA so that it can remain in operation and fleece others.

If you don't understand that, then put it in a different context. Would you be so neutral if PA regularly went out into neighborhoods and robbed people? Would you merely say that's bad and I'm neutral? No, you'd be up in arms demanding that the authorities do something. Well, that's what we're doing. We're demanding that something be done and we're warning everyone possible about PA's activities. The proof has already been provided. You're a witness yourself.

So if you want to participate here, that's fine, but don't ask us to adjust our outrage to suit your sensitivities.


I have a right to my opinion which is the point of any thread anyone would write or respond to. Thanks for allowing me to be supportive and pleasant all I want. It is so very kind of you. I understand as I am not a child, thanks again there as well. I know what I want to write about when I post. I have not asked anyone here since joining only a few days ago to buy my book or even me.

I could care less and to assume you know what is in my mind, and that I demand anything is really funny and just plain presumptuous. Oh yes, forgive me as I say it is better to be positive then negative after the fact, as it isn't constructive. Silly me, let's be negative and harp shall we? Yes, that makes for better coping skills as adults. What a good example for our children.

Go answer the questions below on beating this war on PA being that seems to be your demand. I know what I can and can't do and hiring a lawyer isn't in my realm of possibilities. Do you even know if I have written letters and called etc.? No, you don't so back up the truck and chill out my friend. More power to you if you have all the correct, sensible, logical and useful answers to win this PA war. You should be the ring leader then as I applaud you. Obviously you have the means and know how to get the job done to put them out of business. I am for that if you want to ask for a petition or have all of us PA authors write a letter to the right address, I am there!

Yes, I am a participant here as it is my right and I am an author regardless of PA or not. I don't ask anything of anyone here, I don't even know you or the others. What I do know is a respectful commentator and one who can respect others threads without getting, let me use the new word I learned here, 'snarky.'

And my sensitivities? Being positive means having a better outlook on things that may be difficult in order to cope and move on. Healthy I believe is the referred term nowadays. If your putting that down, along with me with your remark, then I feel bad for you. Go fight your war. I am not defending PA and if I was, that would also my right, as you can see there are those here who can still welcome without being obnoxious.

I am cautious in what I say and how I say it. I may not be perfect with grammar but I get my point across without a political agenda which you can have on your own. If you have nothing encouraging and helpful to say at least with me, then please simply don't respond. You don't have to like what people say. If it is constructive and written in a respectful way, you will get a better response and understanding of your point on any topic.

You know the old saying, if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all? If I am too 'sensitive' for you, then read and move on.

Have a nice day!

Best,


Alexandra

alexandra6
09-16-2007, 11:33 PM
Tell you what..David. You can be the PA fighter and we'll follow you and I can be the PA author supporter as I think PA shouldn't be allowed to strip the creative and talented innards from us as well as our pockets, non?

See, it's not one way here. There is the author who didn't deserve the deceit and treatments when PA was ever questioned, and I am trying to help repair their creative and talented innards to move on and get a better chance at their next piece of work. That will help better reflect a stronger and smarter attitude in their next challenge.

If you can't understand that, well then my friend I am truly at a loss for words. And THAT never happens! Work for you?

Have a nice day!

Best,

Alexandra

Robin Bayne
09-16-2007, 11:41 PM
Thanks and my very best to you! Here are my word pet peeves list:

1) Course vs coarse

2) Then vs than

3) Its vs it's

4) Too vs to

5) To fragment or not to fragment

Anyone else have more to add to this list?

Thank you.

Alexandra


you're vs. your


Your good, you know your good and if you keep at it, other's well connected will know it to.

alexandra6
09-17-2007, 12:15 AM
you're vs. your

I am taking notes and forming a list to print out and make myself use it until it is embedded into my sleep deprived brain.

I see you quoted one of my past posts which is a positive phrase. That is very encouraging as I hope more will calm down and either help change things constructively, share respectfully or move on and let us know how they are doing.

I am curious of the new words out there that perhaps are not recognized in the dictionary.

Ahh, the word recognized vs recognised? Or, is the 's' used in the UK and other European countries?

Best,

Alexandra

CatSlave
09-17-2007, 12:31 AM
...as I hope more will calm down and either help change things constructively, share respectfully or move on and let us know how they are doing.
As you probably noticed, this is a PA forum and I doubt many of us are going to "calm down" and "move on." There is, and has been, enormous efforts and constructive activities geared to publicizing the unethical and misleading schemes of PublishAmerica. We are not here to be "nice," we are not here to bolster sagging egos. The point of this forum is to inform and to seek legal means to put PA out of business. Perhaps if you spend some more time reading the threads instead of attacking one of the foremost scam busters, you will gain a more comprehensive understanding as to what this forum is all about.

Cathy C
09-17-2007, 12:39 AM
Dave, question please, why can't a big atty come in and sue PA? Would this help stop them?

Unfortunately, no, Kimmi. It wouldn't. The problem that authors come into when they sign with PA is that they've entered a business relationship where the author IS a business. They stop being an individual the moment they sell the product from their mind. So the laws that apply aren't the ones that apply to a company versus a regular consumer. Instead, the laws are the ones related to company disputes, and those laws aren't geared toward individuals. A higher standard of "understanding" of contracts applies so the author loses.


I'm guessing they take your books and hold rights :shrugs:??? Is that the big picture.?[/

Mostly, they don't make the books available to the public so that the public can find them easily. When the author realizes that readers can't find the books, or can't get them because bookstores won't/can't order them, then the author can't remove the book and move it to a different publisher for seven years--or even longer if the author doesn't follow the contract requirements to end the contract to the letter. The PA contract renews every seven years like clockwork unless the author calls it off in a very specific manner.

I do wish you well, BTW, alexandra6. But I would encourage you to reconsider your neutrality toward the business practices of PA. Silence is akin to approval in today's internet world and without voices of protest every single day, the content drops down on Google/Yahoo/etc. searches. PA pays for their ranking, so every new victim will see it before any warnings if too many people remain silent. :(

Christine N.
09-17-2007, 01:42 AM
Welcome Alexandra!
Oooo, the 'loose/lose' thing bugs me to no end! It's crazy how many people don't know the difference.

Anyway, PA has threatened to sue me for speaking my mind on this board. I have never been one of their authors. Never. They've send fake cops to other people's houses, and done much worse.

I've met others like you, though - 'it didn't happen to me, so why should I be upset?'. Because it COULD happen to you. They could start sending nasty e-mails demanding apologies if you question them. They could just refuse to reply at all, or still sell your book after they've returned the rights, or a dozen other things.

It could be you one day.

And I'm all for supporting the authors who want it. But I've met some who are very stubborn, very unwavering and very unable or unwilling to listen when someone mentions any of PA's flaws. And I've met some who are perfectly happy - that works for them. Works for me too, except that they keep bringing in more people, recommending PA to everyone, never mentioning the lack of editing, the introduction of NEW errors to their manuscript, or the high cover prices and almost impossibility of getting a book onto the shelves of any store. The PA definition of 'publisher' and the industry's are vastly different. Some don't care, some are really upset when they find out.

Glad to have you here, hope you hang around :)

VGrossack
09-17-2007, 02:21 AM
When was the last time the english dictionary was updated, how often and is there any other dictionaries, on-line or in print that have begun to include a new generation of words? Many of which I have found on popular gossip sites for the entertainment industry. Is nonsensical a word?


Oh, dictionaries are updated all the time. And nonsensical is certainly a word!

Bo Sullivan
09-17-2007, 02:24 AM
Oh, dictionaries are updated all the time. And nonsensical is certainly a word!

Nonsensical has been in common English usage for a long, long time. It means nonsense as opposed to making any sense at all.

alexandra6
09-17-2007, 02:48 AM
As you probably noticed, this is a PA forum and I doubt many of us are going to "calm down" and "move on." There is, and has been, enormous efforts and constructive activities geared to publicizing the unethical and misleading schemes of PublishAmerica. We are not here to be "nice," we are not here to bolster sagging egos. The point of this forum is to inform and to seek legal means to put PA out of business. Perhaps if you spend some more time reading the threads instead of attacking one of the foremost scam busters, you will gain a more comprehensive understanding as to what this forum is all about.

Wow! Yes, that is exactly what I did. I didn't read anything here, and I am standing by PA as that is obvious in all my posts, that you must have obviously ready perfectly and remembered each word and so based on that, you know me and my points.

You must be psychic!

You know what, I still am happy to share my experience which was not a good one, does that make you feel better to continue with your hostility towards me? It's easier to act that way and much harder not to. My point being proven here so thank you for that!

I am happily done in this forum as I am glad to have been able to say what I came in here to say. I wish you all the very best in your NEW novels which I presume you have, and hopefully with a better publishing experience.

Best of luck to you and your attitude as your gonna need much of that!

It is always better to be nice and grateful for what you do have, then the other way around. Hey, I am not the bad guy here so take your hostility to PA and make good use of it!

Later!

Alexandra

alexandra6
09-17-2007, 02:59 AM
Unfortunately, no, Kimmi. It wouldn't. The problem that authors come into when they sign with PA is that they've entered a business relationship where the author IS a business. They stop being an individual the moment they sell the product from their mind. So the laws that apply aren't the ones that apply to a company versus a regular consumer. Instead, the laws are the ones related to company disputes, and those laws aren't geared toward individuals. A higher standard of "understanding" of contracts applies so the author loses.



Mostly, they don't make the books available to the public so that the public can find them easily. When the author realizes that readers can't find the books, or can't get them because bookstores won't/can't order them, then the author can't remove the book and move it to a different publisher for seven years--or even longer if the author doesn't follow the contract requirements to end the contract to the letter. The PA contract renews every seven years like clockwork unless the author calls it off in a very specific manner.

I do wish you well, BTW, alexandra6. But I would encourage you to reconsider your neutrality toward the business practices of PA. Silence is akin to approval in today's internet world and without voices of protest every single day, the content drops down on Google/Yahoo/etc. searches. PA pays for their ranking, so every new victim will see it before any warnings if too many people remain silent. :(

Thanks for the well wishes but what is the issue here? I am not defending PA people! I got angry and went through all the emotions most of you are spewing still. I choose to turn it around personally and move on. That is good guys, not bad. Isn't there enough bad in the world. It goes beyond just PA people. That is my point and that is who I am. Can you not understand all I am doing here is trying to stay positive and not be constantly dragged through a deep muddied water. When you help people, this is what happens. Some get it and some don't.

I am not PA so take your anger and maybe start a petition. And if you put down those who are trying to re-build PA authors' self esteem that their good and are going to do better, then your not helping anyone. I am one of them, my God. I choose not to let it rule me, that is the difference of who I am and where I come from. That's it, no more, no less.

Best of luck to you.

Alexandra

alexandra6
09-17-2007, 03:01 AM
Oh, dictionaries are updated all the time. And nonsensical is certainly a word!


Thank you!

Best,

Alexandra

alexandra6
09-17-2007, 03:06 AM
Welcome Alexandra!
Oooo, the 'loose/lose' thing bugs me to no end! It's crazy how many people don't know the difference.

Anyway, PA has threatened to sue me for speaking my mind on this board. I have never been one of their authors. Never. They've send fake cops to other people's houses, and done much worse.

I've met others like you, though - 'it didn't happen to me, so why should I be upset?'. Because it COULD happen to you. They could start sending nasty e-mails demanding apologies if you question them. They could just refuse to reply at all, or still sell your book after they've returned the rights, or a dozen other things.

It could be you one day.

And I'm all for supporting the authors who want it. But I've met some who are very stubborn, very unwavering and very unable or unwilling to listen when someone mentions any of PA's flaws. And I've met some who are perfectly happy - that works for them. Works for me too, except that they keep bringing in more people, recommending PA to everyone, never mentioning the lack of editing, the introduction of NEW errors to their manuscript, or the high cover prices and almost impossibility of getting a book onto the shelves of any store. The PA definition of 'publisher' and the industry's are vastly different. Some don't care, some are really upset when they find out.

Glad to have you here, hope you hang around :)


Thank you for your respectful note. I am not going to hang here only because I came here to help PA authors feel good about themselves after their experience, not further hurt them which seems to be implied with some here. So, what can I tell you.

I don't recommend anything other then personal growth and happiness towards the better things in life. And BTW, that reflects in your writing and what you do!

I wish you personally all the best in your future endeavors!

Alexandra

alexandra6
09-17-2007, 03:07 AM
Nonsensical has been in common English usage for a long, long time. It means nonsense as opposed to making any sense at all.


Thank you!

Best,

Alexandra

alexandra6
09-17-2007, 05:13 AM
I am sorry to see you are leaving, we all have different rolls to play in the fight against PA. Not all PA authors are ready to stand up and be slapped in the face by the reality of dealing with PA. So where they might be scared off by straight forward talk on other threads they might have stop here.

One thing that gets said about this forum is that they have problem with PA authors. I see where they might get that from they way some post get ridiculed on the PAMB and its quotes thread. I also know that they are just trying to point out the flaws with PA through the misinformation being given on the PAMB.

No, I'm not changing my position on PA at all, they are destroying the dreams of new writers everyday. I still beleive that they need to be stopped, and that this forum does a lot of good in that respect. I just think that having a thread that takes a softer approach to informing the more timid PA authors is good. If they don't feel threatened they may take the time to read more of the threads here. The longer they are hear the better the chance that they will learn something. Just my opinion on this thread.

Best of luck to you Alexandra in your future endeavors.

Please read my effort on the PA part as I need to go. This is not productive and I thank you for your response and respect your words regardless. All that I was asking in return, was just that...respect. I am a non-threating type of gal but hey, whatever ya know. Maybe it's the ghosts! LOL!

Read on and best to you:

" From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Publish America
Date: September 16, 2007 8:59:24 PM EDT
To: oreilly@foxnews.com


Dear Fox News and Mr. O'Reilly,

I am author Alexandra Holzer who fell into the PA Trap and am querying the show if they will do a piece on PA to further more out them.

Aside from the well known website for which I am a member, Absolute Write Water Cooler, there is an exorbitant amount of information proving they are the top publishing scam artist.

I have been trying to help re-build some PA author's self esteem so they can accept and move on to their next project the wiser for it. But, not without feeling that I must do or say something via the media. I am no stranger to that as I grew up around it because of my father's work.

I am the daughter of well known Dr. Hans Holzer Ph.D of Amityville and Ghosts, who has authored 145 books. After trying to find my first teen sci-fi/fantasy novel a home for six months, I stumbled on PA through a friend who heard someone used them. I never researched thus learning my cross to bare and path about scam artists. They come in all sizes, shapes, colors and industries.

Please, see my website as it details who I and my father are. If you would be interested in speaking, please don't hesitate to let me know. I went on Hudson Valley's Local 12 news three times on the Camp LaGuardia problem in upstate NY, which is now shut down since July of this year.

http://www.hauntingholzer.com

Thank you.

Kind regards,


Alexandra Holzer


I took the following headlines and pasted their actual information in the letter. I did not want to re-copy such a long letter in this post.


QUOTATIONS FROM PUBLISHAMERICA'S WEBSITE:

Other miscellaneous reasons:

This is a letter from the director of Barnes & Noble's small press department to Memory McDermott, a member here who published with PublishAmerica and originally believed the claims that PublishAmerica was a "traditional" publisher:

Analysis of Revised PublishAmerica Contract
(in use from early 2002 to present)

General Concerns

jamiehall
09-19-2007, 08:30 AM
Thanks for the well wishes but what is the issue here? I am not defending PA people! I got angry and went through all the emotions most of you are spewing still. I choose to turn it around personally and move on. That is good guys, not bad. Isn't there enough bad in the world. It goes beyond just PA people. That is my point and that is who I am. Can you not understand all I am doing here is trying to stay positive and not be constantly dragged through a deep muddied water. When you help people, this is what happens. Some get it and some don't.

I am not PA so take your anger and maybe start a petition. And if you put down those who are trying to re-build PA authors' self esteem that their good and are going to do better, then your not helping anyone. I am one of them, my God. I choose not to let it rule me, that is the difference of who I am and where I come from. That's it, no more, no less.

Best of luck to you.

Alexandra

Plenty of people here are also working on the positive side - rebuilding the shattered self-esteem of PA victims and helping them to move on. I don't think any of us are trying to put down those who are trying to build up PA authors. If you poke around in the threads, you'll see plenty of that. We support the writers even as we battle the publisher scammer. I think the reason why people reacted a bit huffy to you was that it seemed as if your posts were pushing the idea that the only way we should react to PA was by ignoring it and instead focusing on the positive. I'm not sure if this is what you intended, but it kind of sounded that way and of course you can see why people would react badly if they felt they were being told to ignore their own opinions.

In fact, if you truly support the idea of each person following their own guidance, then it seems that you should not be upset at those who actively pursue the route of highlighting Publish America's betrayals. The fact that certain others are not following your route of focusing on the positive and ignoring the negative does not impede your own actions in any way. You can certainly continue to focus on the positive while ignoring the negative, and I wholeheartedly agree that this can be an important tactic at times, helping with the healing. However, it is only to be expected that a section of a message board devoted to warnings about a particular scam should continue to highlight the tactics of that scam as long as the scam exists. If this Publish America section stopped talking about the bad things, the number of victims would multiply enormously.

Of course, Absolute Write is a huge message board, and the Publish America section is only a tiny segment of the whole. If your chosen route for now is to concentrate on positive aspects of building yourself up as a writer and ignore Publish America, then it would probably be best to avoid most of the threads in the Publish America section, as they'll probably only irritate you.

I'm sorry that statements here rubbed you the wrong way, and I hope you'll stay at Absolute Write. I can certainly see why you might want to avoid distressing news, as sometimes it can be too disheartening to read. It is like some people who stop reading the news because of all the crimes and violence reported and become much happier - more power to them. But that doesn't mean that crimes and violence should be kept out of the news entirely, let alone mean that the police should start ignoring them.

alexandra6
09-19-2007, 04:20 PM
Plenty of people here are also working on the positive side - rebuilding the shattered self-esteem of PA victims and helping them to move on. I don't think any of us are trying to put down those who are trying to build up PA authors. If you poke around in the threads, you'll see plenty of that. We support the writers even as we battle the publisher scammer. I think the reason why people reacted a bit huffy to you was that it seemed as if your posts were pushing the idea that the only way we should react to PA was by ignoring it and instead focusing on the positive. I'm not sure if this is what you intended, but it kind of sounded that way and of course you can see why people would react badly if they felt they were being told to ignore their own opinions.

In fact, if you truly support the idea of each person following their own guidance, then it seems that you should not be upset at those who actively pursue the route of highlighting Publish America's betrayals. The fact that certain others are not following your route of focusing on the positive and ignoring the negative does not impede your own actions in any way. You can certainly continue to focus on the positive while ignoring the negative, and I wholeheartedly agree that this can be an important tactic at times, helping with the healing. However, it is only to be expected that a section of a message board devoted to warnings about a particular scam should continue to highlight the tactics of that scam as long as the scam exists. If this Publish America section stopped talking about the bad things, the number of victims would multiply enormously.

Of course, Absolute Write is a huge message board, and the Publish America section is only a tiny segment of the whole. If your chosen route for now is to concentrate on positive aspects of building yourself up as a writer and ignore Publish America, then it would probably be best to avoid most of the threads in the Publish America section, as they'll probably only irritate you.

I'm sorry that statements here rubbed you the wrong way, and I hope you'll stay at Absolute Write. I can certainly see why you might want to avoid distressing news, as sometimes it can be too disheartening to read. It is like some people who stop reading the news because of all the crimes and violence reported and become much happier - more power to them. But that doesn't mean that crimes and violence should be kept out of the news entirely, let alone mean that the police should start ignoring them.


I expressed my anger and gave it a few words a spotlight and the rest put all my energies into positive about my work. PA has nothing to do with that and it seems here, on my thread, some words led to PA authors and poor writing. I am trying to just bring that to light as one should be careful on what they say by making their PA points. Yes, it is hard to distinguish when they are so horrible yet at the same time, point being, it further more puts down the author for no reason. Here, let me re-word it for you: FOR Unhappy PA Authors, Not FOR PA! Better?????

You should warn others about anything horrible but you are also responsible for helping them in other ways. A warning is the first step, then how do you move on from that: whether it is to try and stop them, spread the warning to others, lift them up in their next project and so on.

It is very one way here and I don't agree with you as it is more agenda oriented and so where I do agree with you, is no-one here should visit unless it is about ways to stop PA and whatever stories lay behind that. My mistake. There are those here who are positive, I know that as they have written to me but overall, the feeling is towards the other end and I understand that as well. I am NOT debating that, I am trying to help. I know I help many people with my conversations in my own life and for you to read into me as ignoring is inaccurate. In this case, my positive here comes from something negative that occurred.

That is the point my friend. Where did I say ignore PA?

I have seen a lot as my father has raised us in an environment for which I can speak about. I guess my letter to O'Reilly and my remarks about my own discontent aren't enough to really make you feel that I don't feel bad enough about my dealings with PA. I did get a thank you from Ms. Pacha about that letter as it is the only way I know for ME.

Like I said, there is nothing wrong with trying to pick yourself up and move on. I never said stop fighting the fight. Did you even read my letter to Fox News? Let me tell you something, and this goes for the rest of you who have been snarky with me, I am a fighter, a typical Arian hot off the press, steaming quick tempered person. E-mail's do not have tones and one should never read into them and assume anything like a real phone or in person conversation.

Having said that, I am not offended by anyone here or take it personally. So, I am still keeping with my better outlook on even taking a chance and responding here. It actually makes me laugh. I am still better for it as I have seen too many people wallow over many bad choices in their life, and they are suffering. I have my own battle against PA.

IMO: Be cautious when responding to one and make sure you read their comments carefully and sometimes twice.

All I have said was yes PA is this, yes, it happened to me and now what can the author do about it, personally? PA is a two way street. Their way of ruining the author and putting a bad name on the industry taking their money; and secondly, there is the author's way on how the hell to recoup their losses and not allow PA to ruin them, personally. MMM, no room for that I suppose on the PA topic according to your response to me.

I just am not hearing an intelligent retort as what the heck is wrong about helping a PA author to move on, which includes fighting them as well. Just try not to be so nasty about it and assume if one comes here and doesn't bash, that they are for PA or ignoring PA.

You don't know me or any of the battles I have fought including almost losing my first child so back your truck up as I know the important things in my life. And this, my friend, doesn't even come close.

I hope you come up with the magical formula to change PA's ways because that is what is needed.

Nothing has rubbed me anyway unless it is my husband, thank you very much, and what I am doing here is trying to still get a point across which obviously is falling in-between the PA cracks. Some get it, the others just aren't that pleasant and will not get it. I would never win that battle and so I won't even try.

I do not intend to leave the water cooler as I contributed and support other forums here. I am just done with this one is all. Sorry if I have offended you in any way.

Later and best to you as always.


Alexandra

jamiehall
09-19-2007, 10:01 PM
I expressed my anger and gave it a few words a spotlight and the rest put all my energies into positive about my work. PA has nothing to do with that and it seems here, on my thread, some words led to PA authors and poor writing. I am trying to just bring that to light as one should be careful on what they say by making their PA points. Yes, it is hard to distinguish when they are so horrible yet at the same time, point being, it further more puts down the author for no reason.


It does sometimes seem that people on this message board are making fun of Publish America authors, when they point out book excerpts or author promotional websites that are loaded with grammar mistakes and errors, or when they show how badly misinformed a particular person on the PAMB (Public America Message Board) is. We do try to keep people in line here, and make it about the publisher scammer rather than the author. If you see anything that looks like it crosses the line into making fun instead of informing, feel free to notify a moderator - this message board does not tolerate putting down other authors for amusement.

Grammar mistakes, bad plotting and the like happens to everyone, legitimately published or not. It is called a first draft. Every writer creates first drafts. Mistake-heavy manuscripts are more widespread among Publish America authors because PA preys on the inexperienced, and the inexperienced are quite likely to think that first drafts should be published. Being a PA author does not mean that a person is talentless, or unpublishable. I've yet to see any PA author's writing that is worse than the writing of a normal starting writer. All of us wrote at that level at some point.

It is PA's fault (and a warning signal that clearly shows they do not mean to market the book to the reading public) that they will accept for publication books that are in this early state of development. Likewise, the numerous statements made on the PAMB that contain gross inaccuracies are outlined, not to make fun of those who write on that message board, but to show that PA preys on the misinformed and inexperienced, and to show how people inadvertently perpetuate the atmosphere that helps PA rope in additional victims.

brianm
09-19-2007, 10:44 PM
I am just done with this one is all.

Excellent.

See you around the other forums.