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Carole
09-12-2007, 01:57 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296429,00.html

I feel so naive. I would never have dreamed that this sort of hate crime actually happened in the US, much less in my old hometown. This poor girl is likely scarred for life in more ways than one. It's shameful.

Azraelsbane
09-12-2007, 02:05 AM
Wow. That's horrible. :( Frickin' crazy people out there.

JLCwrites
09-12-2007, 02:07 AM
Oh God! That is horrific! I seriously hope they are punished for this! Poor girl! What a nightmare for her. I wish her a speedy recovery and that she gets plenty of help to overcome her fears. Breaks my heart.
:(

Kate Thornton
09-12-2007, 02:10 AM
OMG - this is absolutely sick! That poor young woman - I hope she gets help and justice. What were those sick b@$tard$ thinking????

Hillary
09-12-2007, 02:10 AM
Holy shitting hell... There is something deeply wrong with the human race if we can produce creatures of that despicable caliber.

Carole
09-12-2007, 02:10 AM
I had no idea this had happened. Mom called a few minutes ago to ask if I'd heard. I had to read it several times because I couldn't believe the details. They even pulled her hair out. Imagine if she hadn't been able to get to the door when the police arrived!! Just makes me shudder.

Perks
09-12-2007, 02:11 AM
Sometimes I can't even find any words.

melaniehoo
09-12-2007, 02:34 AM
I saw this article this morning and couldn't believe. One part that particularly got me was the mother-son and father-daughter combo (if I picked up on the relation correctly). It's bad enough that people have this in them, but to teach your children too?

I also thought, wouldn't it occur to you that by day 3, perhaps, that maybe this isn't right? It scares me to think how long they would've continued torturing her if she hadn't been found.

A. Hamilton
09-12-2007, 03:00 AM
I don't even know what to say. Hope that poor woman heals.

Carole
09-12-2007, 03:09 AM
I also thought, wouldn't it occur to you that by day 3, perhaps, that maybe this isn't right?
I think in a group hate mentality, maybe they were all feeding off one another's insanity. That's the only thing I can figure because I'm with you. Eventually, wouldn't your brain kick in?

(I don't mean to say it should take that long to know this was frighteningly wrong. Just that even in the most twisted of individuals, surely they would feel something for this poor girl and let her go.)

RLB
09-12-2007, 05:16 AM
I think in a group hate mentality, maybe they were all feeding off one another's insanity. That's the only thing I can figure because I'm with you. Eventually, wouldn't your brain kick in?

(I don't mean to say it should take that long to know this was frighteningly wrong. Just that even in the most twisted of individuals, surely they would feel something for this poor girl and let her go.)

Also, just glancing at their pictures, I wouldn't be surprised if they were meth addicts or something similar. Their skin is awfully... used-looking. Not that that in any way excuses or lessens the completely horrible things they did.

melaniehoo
09-12-2007, 05:49 AM
I think in a group hate mentality, maybe they were all feeding off one another's insanity. That's the only thing I can figure because I'm with you. Eventually, wouldn't your brain kick in?

(I don't mean to say it should take that long to know this was frighteningly wrong. Just that even in the most twisted of individuals, surely they would feel something for this poor girl and let her go.)

I know what you mean. I was lucky and had a mother who always warned me about doing things I wouldn't normally do just because all my friends were. She said I could use her as an excuse to step back, saying 'my mom would kill me if she knew I did this'. That sort of thing. It makes me so sad that this seems ok to some people.

I hope for their conscience-sake that drugs had some part in all this. Doesn't make it right but it explains where that light bulb in the head went.

mkcbunny
09-12-2007, 06:01 AM
I can barely read that story, it's so upsetting. Human beings are capable of awful things.

billythrilly7th
09-12-2007, 06:13 AM
"Women kidnapped and tortured for a week in my old hometown."
Bruce Springsteen
1984

Classic line. Classic song.

Don Allen
09-12-2007, 06:16 AM
Besides the unbelievable cruelty and obvious insanity inbred into this family, what get's me is that they all seemed to revel in this girl agony.. It's rare when a group of people will willingly participate in subjective torture for their own pleasure. One on one torture you can put off to a sick mind, (Not an excuse, just a fact) but this just makes you wonder if there truly are people living around us as empty shells, void of souls, with not a shred of conscienceness... This girl gets a reminder to the big guy from me tonight...

benbradley
09-12-2007, 06:54 AM
I was wondering how kidnapping and torture were a 'hate crime' until I read the story, that the victim was black and the perpetrators white, and "The victim was repeatedly called a racial slur."

Anyway, this is indeed a very bad thing, but I have to admit I'm not surprised at the worst of what people can do to others. It was just over a week ago I saw an exhibit movie on the very short life of Anne Frank, which reminded my of my 2006 visit to the Holocaust Exhibit at the Breman Museum in Atlanta. Huge numbers of people were treated about as badly as a human being can be treated. Bad things do happen in real life. Very bad things.

kristie911
09-12-2007, 07:38 AM
Sick. Absolutely sick.

I think when the suspects are found guilty, they should be tied down in front of the courthouse so people can come by to kick them, call them names, stab them and cut their ankles with knives. You know, so they get what they deserve.

jodiodi
09-12-2007, 07:42 AM
Just looking at the alleged perps, one can see they come from a polluted gene puddle and are a waste of space taking up oxygen and water (if, in fact, they bathe) that their betters could use. Their behavior only reinforces this, admittedly shallow, assessment. I say turn 'em into fertilizer. At least they'd serve a useful purpose then.

brokenfingers
09-12-2007, 07:45 AM
Sick. Absolutely sick.

I think when the suspects are found guilty, they should be tied down in front of the courthouse so people can come by to kick them, call them names, stab them and cut their ankles with knives. You know, so they get what they deserve.Yup, like the old days. Sentence served by their peers. No going back to "3 hots and a cot" and cable TV.

Some good ol' public humiliation to let them know what society thinks about them and then a swift death to remove them from the gene pool. Dwindles down the fools and serves as a deterrent to the other fools.

mkcbunny
09-12-2007, 11:02 AM
I think when the suspects are found guilty, they should be tied down in front of the courthouse so people can come by to kick them, call them names, stab them and cut their ankles with knives. You know, so they get what they deserve.

Yup, like the old days. Sentence served by their peers. No going back to "3 hots and a cot" and cable TV.

Some good ol' public humiliation to let them know what society thinks about them and then a swift death to remove them from the gene pool. Dwindles down the fools and serves as a deterrent to the other fools.

Seems like public stabbings only would encourage more mob insanity. Isn't the point that what these people did as a racist gang was wrong? I'm not saying that punishment shouldn't be severe, or that I think prisoners should have cable. Just that encouraging town-center revenge seems to me like a bigger-scale, "accepted" way to torture someone. Whenever there's a group committing violence, you wonder if there wasn't someone there who might have stopped it. In this West Virginia case, no one did. If we put the criminals on stocks and encourage public abuse, what does that teach our own children? Look what these people taught theirs; is that the kind of thing we want to escalate? Teaching our kids to beat, stab, and kill people in revenge?

seun
09-12-2007, 12:28 PM
Let's hope the fuckers responsible make some special friends in prison.

Carole
09-12-2007, 03:25 PM
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If we put the criminals on stocks and encourage public abuse, what does that teach our own children?

Well, I may be in the vast minority here, but I would like to believe it would teach my kids if you do something this insane, the exact same thing may very well happen to you. Action and reaction. In the case of these "people", I think a little good old fashioned fear might have done them some good. They apparently weren't afraid of anything at the time they tortured this girl and had no compassion for her in HER fear.

TrainofThought
09-12-2007, 06:56 PM
We read stories like this every year and it doesn't matter where you live. We live in a very sad and cruel society.

I saw this article this morning and couldn't believe. One part that particularly got me was the mother-son and father-daughter combo (if I picked up on the relation correctly). It's bad enough that people have this in them, but to teach your children too?
This is one example why psychiatric evaluations should be required before allowing people to have children, and if they fail, there's always sterilization.

mkcbunny
09-13-2007, 12:41 AM
Well, I may be in the vast minority here, but I would like to believe it would teach my kids if you do something this insane, the exact same thing may very well happen to you. Action and reaction. In the case of these "people", I think a little good old fashioned fear might have done them some good. They apparently weren't afraid of anything at the time they tortured this girl and had no compassion for her in HER fear.
I have no problem with that as a concept, but in reality, I think that encouraging the public to participate in the "stoning," if you'll let me call it that, brings ugliness and hatred out in those doing the stoning. Is hateful action any better coming from a "righteous" person?

PattiTheWicked
09-13-2007, 01:29 AM
I look at it this way. If a dog is vicious and bites people you put it down. Not to "show other dogs how bad it is to be this way," or to "teach the dog a lesson", but so said dog never bites another person.

I'm all in favor of capital punishment for these people, because you know what? Their next victim could have been any one of us, or a loved one, or a friend or neighbor.

I don't think we need vengeance in our justice system. We need prevention.

jordijoy
09-13-2007, 01:48 AM
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Seems like public stabbings only would encourage more mob insanity. Isn't the point that what these people did as a racist gang was wrong? I'm not saying that punishment shouldn't be severe, or that I think prisoners should have cable. Just that encouraging town-center revenge seems to me like a bigger-scale, "accepted" way to torture someone. Whenever there's a group committing violence, you wonder if there wasn't someone there who might have stopped it. In this West Virginia case, no one did. If we put the criminals on stocks and encourage public abuse, what does that teach our own children? Look what these people taught theirs; is that the kind of thing we want to escalate? Teaching our kids to beat, stab, and kill people in revenge?
I took it as more a symbolic suggestion. More a show of outrage than an actual cry for violence. But whatever...

Carole
09-13-2007, 02:47 AM
I look at it this way. If a dog is vicious and bites people you put it down. Not to "show other dogs how bad it is to be this way," or to "teach the dog a lesson", but so said dog never bites another person.

I'm all in favor of capital punishment for these people, because you know what? Their next victim could have been any one of us, or a loved one, or a friend or neighbor.

I don't think we need vengeance in our justice system. We need prevention.

You know what, the next victim could absolutely have been one of my family members because I have an awful lot of family living within a 20 mile radius of them. (Sad to say, but it's true. And not everyone from Logan county is like THAT. You just have to trust me on that.)

And I agree with you on the dog analogy. I'm a weird one. A tree-hugging hippie who is also in favor of capital punishment.

kristie911
09-13-2007, 04:13 AM
I took it as more a symbolic suggestion. More a show of outrage than an actual cry for violence. But whatever...

Yeah, that's exactly what it was. Glad someone got it.

benbradley
09-13-2007, 04:14 AM
We read stories like this every year and it doesn't matter where you live. We live in a very sad and cruel society.
This is one example why psychiatric evaluations should be required before allowing people to have children, and if they fail, there's always sterilization.
At first thought I find the idea vaguely tempting (partly from thinking of my own parents - I gotta start that memoir), but similar things have been tried before, specifically in the US under the name Eugenics, and more generally in many situations all over the world (genocide, or euphemisms such as 'cleansing'). The 'evaluation' would inevitably become a politicized and polarizing issue, where otherwise-reasonable people strongly disagree on who should be allowed to have children, and on what criteria it should be decided. It has never worked out well, leading me to think that if it MUST be done, for example to curb world population growth, it would be best to RANDOMLY (in a verifiable sense) select those to be sterilized.

I look at it this way. If a dog is vicious and bites people you put it down. Not to "show other dogs how bad it is to be this way," or to "teach the dog a lesson", but so said dog never bites another person.

I'm all in favor of capital punishment for these people, because you know what? Their next victim could have been any one of us, or a loved one, or a friend or neighbor.

I don't think we need vengeance in our justice system. We need prevention.
My first thought in response to this is that human beings are not dogs, and we treat them differently.

I recall a couple of LONG threads on the topic of Capital Punishment when I first signed up on AW, and this may lead to yet another...here's my two cents:

If there were true, guaranteed life in prison, there would be no need for capital punishment. Keeping an unrehabilitatable person in prison would be enough for prevention. Capital punishment cases as done in the USA take many years and costs much more than lifetime in prison. The Government pays for all sorts of attorneys on BOTH SIDES of every capital punishment case.

Just the idea that it costs more to execute a person than to keep him or her for a lifetime in prison suggests to me that it IS about revenge.