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sancrough
10-01-2004, 10:02 PM
Does anyone have any information on this publishing company. I am so paranoid now about PODs especially after my experience with ***(cannot mention in this thread) that I want to know more before contacting any publisher particularly POD publishers.

Thanks.:kiss

James D Macdonald
10-01-2004, 10:26 PM
When you walk into your local bookstore do you see any of their books on the shelf?

Do they ask you for any money, or require you to spend anything other than postage, ever?

Have you ever heard of any of their books? Do they get reviewed in major venues? Have you heard of any of their authors?

vstrauss
10-01-2004, 10:44 PM
Trafford isn't a publisher, but a publishing services provider--a crucial distinction. For more on these kinds of publishing, see here:

www.sfwa.org/beware/printondemand.html (http://www.sfwa.org/beware/printondemand.html)

Among companies like this, Trafford has a decent rep, though I believe it's more expensive than some. Definitely, if you're thinking of going this route, do some comparison shopping.

- Victoria

Whachawant
10-03-2004, 05:05 AM
Hey, James, how many times have you posted those questions? lol :ha

I'm afraid with this new development of POD books not being stocked in the worlds largest book distributor. I would eliminate POD from your plans altogether.

mysteryquiller
10-04-2004, 02:15 AM
Unfortunately, PODs will remain as the scratch and sniff area of publishing until a reputable company develops the concept into a bricks & mortar establishment.

This may not happen until some situation evolves to justify the cost, like fuel prices, hence shipping prices, escalating to rediculous.

Whachawant
10-04-2004, 09:34 AM
PODs will remain as the scratch and sniff area of publishing
good quote......

(its ridiculous the way you spelled rediculous)
lol ... lol ...(just jokin')

ANNIE
07-05-2005, 11:21 PM
I have a question on self publishing. I'm definitely trying the tradition route, but I'm also looking at all options, self publishing being one. Anyone have any opinons in general or in specific on Trafford publishing or Morris publishing?
Thanks Annie

Aconite
07-06-2005, 01:06 AM
The Index at the top of the main page lists this link for Trafford: <old link snipped>. You might also try the two self-publishing fora (one on conventional, one on POD and E-pub) under The Book World.

Carlene
07-06-2005, 01:14 AM
Hi Annie,

I self published a book I wrote about being a volunteer at the Sheriff's department. We own a commercial print shop, so produced it there - all except the perfect binding. When some of our customers saw the book, they asked if we'd print books for them too - small runs. So, you might want to call around and see if any local printers can do it. Just make sure they've done it before! Ask for samples, do they have in-house graphics, can they do perfect binding in-house, can they take files and formate them for you and of course, what's the price - per book. You can actually get them distributed through Baker & Taylor if you do 250 or more. Let me know if I can answer any more questions.

Carlene

ANNIE
07-06-2005, 06:39 AM
Thanks for the information, I've got a lot of research to do!

Snoonie
10-03-2005, 12:58 AM
I have seen ads in several reputable magazines for self-publishing with TRAFFORD Publishing. Does anyone know anything about them? I was always against self-publishing but lately have heard good things about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Cathy C
10-03-2005, 01:46 AM
Hi, Snoonie, and welcome!


Trafford is a subsidy publisher, meaning that you WON'T be self-published. Self-publishing requires that you ARE the publishing company. You handle each individual detail, such as buying the ISBN, designing the book cover, paying the bills, etc.

That said, frankly they're quite a bit more expensive than many other subsidy publishers, although they do produce an acceptable product. However, you won't ever find one of their books in your local bookstore, since the product is not returnable.

Here's a thread about Trafford in our Bewares & Backgrounds forum. You need to decide what you want from self-publishing. If you don't mind doing all of the work to prepare and market your book, there are less expensive options from printers who won't lead you to believe that you'll be getting something you won't actually receive.

<old link snipped>

Good luck!

Snoonie
10-03-2005, 02:50 AM
Thanks, everyone, for your input. I have print out a lot of Print On Demand info found in several threads which I'm sure will help me make a decision. I hope someday I can help someone just as much.

Sarita
12-12-2005, 07:36 PM
Hi All.

My dad just finished his second draft (140,000 words) and is handing it out to his Beta readers. He's been talking a lot about Trafford Self Publishing. I am going to try to talk him into traditional publishing, even if I have to coordinate his query/agent finding efforts. I don't mind doing a bit of leg work for him.

I was just wondering if anyone had any information regarding Trafford. I searched around on the boards and only found a few small comments regarding cost. I'm looking for the bigger picture: what they're about, are they honest, all the juice. Because if I can't talk him out of this, he should, at least, be using a reputable company.

Anyone?

Thanks,

Sara

victoriastrauss
12-12-2005, 07:45 PM
Trafford is one of the oldest of the POD self-pub services. It appears to be reliable and to produce a good-quality product, and its contract is decent (time-limited, non-exclusive). Unlike some of the other PODs, Writer Beware has never gotten any complaints about its services.

It is one of the more expensive PODs, however. It's always a good idea to do some shopping around before choosing a POD, since they all offer a different mix of prices and services. It's also a good idea to actually order a couple of books before making a final decision, so you can assess the efficiency of the ordering process and also the quality of the finished books (which can vary quite a bit).

At 140,000 words, a POD book is going to have a whopper of a cover price (POD prices are based on page count).

Clea Saal's Books and Tales (http://booksandtales.com/pod/index.php) website offers useful side-by-side comparisons of a number of PODs (though be careful: not all the publishers she lists--including the high-rated Virtual Bookworm--are reputable).

- Victoria

underthecity
12-12-2005, 07:56 PM
Hi All.
I was just wondering if anyone had any information regarding Trafford. I searched around on the boards and only found a few small comments regarding cost. I'm looking for the bigger picture: what they're about, are they honest, all the juice. Because if I can't talk him out of this, he should, at least, be using a reputable company.

Sara

Hi Sara,

Definitely push him toward commercial publishing. I've heard about another author who was satisified with his poetry book Trafford printed up for him, but there were costs involved as well as hard work for the author regarding marketing, and of course, there's no bookstore presence. He gave talks, though, and sold his books afterwards. I was told that Trafford worked for him, so he was satisfied, but lulu would have worked just as well for what he needed.

However, if your father is still having doubts, just have him read this thread: http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11369. It should open his eyes.

allen

triceretops
12-13-2005, 03:05 PM
Sara, just out of curiosity, what kind of book has your father written? It might give us some ideas of where it might go in niche or small press.

Tri

CaoPaux
01-04-2006, 01:15 AM
Don't mind me; just linking: http://www.trafford.com/

paprikapink
01-04-2006, 09:44 AM
I have a story in an anthology published by Trafford. I'm not too thrilled about this accomplishment.

I have this butt-kickin' great-aunt-in-law (I really only married my husband to get into Frances's family) who, when she went blind in her late 60s, started writing books. First she wrote "how to go blind books" because they are dang useful and no one else was doing it, and since then she has branched out into writing about whatever-the-hell she wants to. Her first four books were published by Creative Arts, which I think is also sort of a vanity press. But, end-result-wise, they seem a lot better than Trafford to me (except that Creative Arts seems to be bankrupt). The Trafford book has a beautiful cover, but inside, it looks funky, lame, amatuerish. For instance, each essay has the word END written like that at the end. Why?

END

victoriastrauss
01-04-2006, 08:14 PM
Her first four books were published by Creative Arts, which I think is also sort of a vanity press. But, end-result-wise, they seem a lot better than Trafford to me (except that Creative Arts seems to be bankrupt).Creative Arts claimed to be filing for bankruptcy, but as far as I know they never did.

CA (which started out as a legitimate advance-paying independent publisher and later transitioned to a vanity model) charged around $8,000 for publication (as opposed to Trafford's fee of $699-$2,000) and didn't print anywhere near the number of books the author paid for (since vanity published books rarely sell more than a couple of hundred copies, few authors realized this). Where authors did manage to sell a substantial number of books, CA either had trouble providing them or never paid the royalties due. When CA ceased doing business in 2003, it left many authors high and dry, their rights in limbo and their money gone. Several authors won small claims court judgments against the publisher, but the authors had no way to enforce the payments, and the last I heard, none had been made.

CA was a bad deal all around.

- Victoria

Julie Worth
01-04-2006, 08:42 PM
At 140,000 words, a POD book is going to have a whopper of a cover price (POD prices are based on page count).

If he went with BookSurge and could package it into 450 pages (6x9 format), the Amazon price would be $21. And if he did all the formatting (cover and text), the total price for getting it on Amazon would be $99. Not so bad. If he doesnít need Amazon, go with Lulu. (Look at Lulu anyway. It's a great place to experiment. And you can use them as a printer without making it available to the public.) If he wants more retail options and possibly a better price, look at Diggory Press.

James D. Macdonald
01-04-2006, 09:25 PM
If he actually wants to get readers, he should stick with the commercial publishers.

Poets have a hard road ... self-publication is prety much their only choice.

paprikapink
01-04-2006, 11:37 PM
CA was a bad deal all around.



Oh, yeah, I believe this, although I don't know that Frances's experience as bad as that of the authors you describe.

When I said CA seemed "better" than Trafford, I just meant that when I pull any one of her CA books off the shelf and look at it, it's not nearly as strikingly crappy as the Trafford book.

Sarita
01-10-2006, 08:45 PM
Sara, just out of curiosity, what kind of book has your father written? It might give us some ideas of where it might go in niche or small press. His book is a fictionalization of his experiences in Vietnam.

I think he's decided to go with another self pub company, I can't remember the name. He's insisting on doing it this way and I can't talk him out of it. But he keeps first rights and it's not PA (whew)...

I told him I'd help him query after he gets through the self publishing stuff. Is that a reasonable plan? I wish I would talk him out of it, but he's just as stubborn as I am.

Julie Worth
01-10-2006, 09:28 PM
But he keeps first rights

Might be something worth talking about. First rights is gone once you've used it (in a particular area or medium).

victoriastrauss
01-10-2006, 09:35 PM
But he keeps first rights and it's not PA (whew)...Do you mean it's a non-exclusive contract? That's a different thing. As Julie points out, once it's out there, it's published (though "first rights" really applies to periodical publishing, and isn't the right term for what you're granting with book publication).

- Victoria

Jaws
01-10-2006, 10:03 PM
Creative Arts claimed to be filing for bankruptcy, but as far as I know they never did.
There is no record in the relevant district (Northern District of California) of Creative Arts filing for bankruptcy, unless it did so under a corporate umbrella name of which I am unaware. There is a "Creative Arts" that filed for bankruptcy in the Middle District of Pennsylvania a couple of years ago, but the principals names are listed and it's clearly not related to the Bay Area "publisher."

Sarita
01-10-2006, 10:16 PM
Do you mean it's a non-exclusive contract? Hmmm, I'm not sure, V. He just told me that he keeps first rights. I think he means that he's free to query traditional publishers right away, in which case, what would you call that? I haven't gone through the publication process yet, so I'm quite green when it comes to terminology...

victoriastrauss
01-11-2006, 12:20 AM
Hmmm, I'm not sure, V. He just told me that he keeps first rights. I think he means that he's free to query traditional publishers right away, in which case, what would you call that? I haven't gone through the publication process yet, so I'm quite green when it comes to terminology...I expect that's a nonexclusive contract (which just means that he's free to publish anywhere else at the same time, as opposed to being restricted to publishing with that company only). However, unless he sells a lot of copies (say, 5,000 or so within the first six months to a year of release) a POD-pubbed book isn't likely to interest an agent or a commercial publisher. If that's his ultimate goal, this is not the right route to take. Some people think that if they can just "get it out there," it'll help them find commercial publication, but for most writers, this really isn't true.

Ann and I have blogged (http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2005/12/ac-crispin-26-writing-mythsif-i-can.html) on this subject.

- Victoria

Sarita
01-11-2006, 12:25 AM
Some people think that if they can just "get it out there," it'll help them find commercial publication, but for most writers, this really isn't true.That's what I was trying to tell him, but I think he's just in it for the vanity aspect. He wrote it in a year and really wants to see it in print. I even told him I'd do all the leg work for him (finding an agent/publishing house) but he said he was doing this first. Oh well... Father knows best.

Thanks for the link. I'm heading over there now...

ALLWritety
02-12-2007, 12:15 PM
Hi
I have looked but can't find any threads or post on this so Here it is.

I have published 2 book with POD - Traffords. I did some research before I signed the contracts but i guess not enough!!! ANyway I am wanting to know way to get out of Traffords and into a convetional publisher.

One book is a niche market - teaching the Bible to kids. This is for kids workers, sunday school teachers, parents etc.
I have had more interest shown in this book. I have done some very aggresive marketing on this one.

The other one is a fun book of suggestions to do while on hold.

I guess I was green enough to think that I could sell enough copies so a conventiaonal publisher would take notice of me. Both books have just come out and I am not at all impressed with Trafford at all. (I will write a thread on Warnings & Beware sharing the details there!!)

SO can anyone give me any tips on how to get OUT from Traffords??

Kev

ALLWritety
02-12-2007, 12:37 PM
Hi
Here is my experience with Trafford. They were great until I paid the money. After that I didn't get any emails or contact with them. I had to constantly push them. They had promised to have my books ready by Christmas 2006. One of the file could not be opened but they didn't tell me about it for a long time. When they did I resent the file straight away. They did not read the email or pick up the file for 10 days. Then they sent me an email saying that because the time was up now that I would not be published for Christmas and that I also owed them more money.
I was furious. I sent an email right back stating that I HAD send the correct money for both of my books. I had sent the files but they had not picked them up for over 10 days. They had promised me that my books would be out for Christmas but now they were saying that it would not be possible to do so. It was ALL their fault. I had done everything they had asked and inthe time limit, so I threathed to sue them for breach of contract and lost of earning.
Now I statrted getting results. I got one book released on Dec. 24th. I had got it out but it was still to late for the Christmas sales. My other book came out just 10 days ago. Then they had put all the wrong info on for the book. WAH!!!!
I want to get out of Trafford and get into a main conventional publisher. I would not recomend this route to ANYONE.
Thanks
Kev

citymouse
02-12-2007, 04:42 PM
KC, you are not alone in what you want.
I have the Traford contract in my office. When I find it I'll give it another read (it's been a long time) and see what they say about breaking it. It may be the standard 30 day written notification.

The difficulty as I see it is you've already had these books out and so any further issues will have to be "second editions". It's my understanding that most publishers shy away from books that may have sold out to their potential audience.
The first person you will have to sell on the idea that your book is still viable is an agent. There are lots of threads here about agents and how to approach one. Once that hurdle is passed you wait until your agent sells you book. If the agent believes in the product he/she may be able to sell it to a publisher; maybe not

Keep in mind that as long as you maintain your contract with T--- you will remain listed on the online catalogs. If you get a publisher to take your book it may sell like hotcakes and be re-issued time and again thus fill bookstore shelves. If it does not do well your publisher will most probably discontinue your books and that will be that.

Of course it that happens you may then return to POD and continue to make you books available to online customers.
I know a several authors who, having been published by small and large presses, have re-issued their books via POD.

There are other issues here as well. But I'm speaking directly to your question.

imagoodgurl4
01-21-2008, 09:04 PM
I was searching the web for reputable publishers to add to my list of publishers/agents for when I have completed my manuscript, and I came across Trafford Publishing. http://www.trafford.com I did a search on them here and couldn't find anything, so if I've reposted known information, I apologize.

They appear to be a vanity publisher, though they don't hide it, but authors who wish to have a book printed within 4-6 weeks must pay a minimum of $697. They look to be along the same lines as Publish America, except for the fact that they charge you money upfront. I just wanted to post this up there as a warning that Yog's Law says money flows towards the writer.

One of the testimonials on their pages says, "It is great that you have this publishing service for authors because if you're not a well known or established author and you send your book to a big time book company, it will probably get no further than the trash can. Think of how many great books never got published because of this. Many people, myself included, have been held back because of this. Finally, a way to get published without all the other problems. Thanks again, Cassandra, for all your kind and helpful assistance. I look forward to seeing what all of you think of my book. I'm sure it will be a best seller (I bet you've heard that before)."

Getting published is hard work. Getting an agent is hard work. This is not a reason to pay close to $2646 for the most expensive "package" to see your name in print. Go to Kinko's or Staples or even Lulu, where you only pay for each book you have printed, but don't throw your money away so you can "get published without all the other problems."

Also, their packages state they will spend up to two hours creating a cover for you. This is not enough time to create a worthwhile cover. Not for that money. Again, if you want to self/vanity publish, go to Lulu.com. It's a lot cheaper and you'll save yourself money in the long run.

If anyone has any further information, please post it here, I don't want to see writers emptying their wallets and paying for a dream that can only be achieved through hardwork and diligence.

Money flows towards the writer.

mysterywriter666
02-27-2008, 11:14 PM
Yes, trafford was a good idea at the time when I was young and STUPID!
I also had problems with them opening my file and then they screwed up on the cover they had every excuse why it wasn't their fault. Then they sent me an additional bill to re do the cover...mind you I never paid it and never will.

I would like to know if anyone has had a book published with them and googled your name and found that trafford not only selling through-out well-known websites example Walmart.com, Chapters.com, and so on....
Did you see where they actually put not just the synopsis for the selling feature, but just about the entire storyline...like pages 1-20 then pages 40-60 then part of the last chapter?
I called trafford because first of all I couldn't see this even being legal and feels like a personal violation, especially not even getting my permission to do so with my work...but they claim trafford customers have even asked for this. Is it true? Is it a selling feature to give away the beginning, middle and the end?

SOMEONE BESIDES TRAFFORD PUBLISHING STAFF, PLEASE CONTACT ME?





Hi
Here is my experience with Trafford. They were great until I paid the money. After that I didn't get any emails or contact with them. I had to constantly push them. They had promised to have my books ready by Christmas 2006. One of the file could not be opened but they didn't tell me about it for a long time. When they did I resent the file straight away. They did not read the email or pick up the file for 10 days. Then they sent me an email saying that because the time was up now that I would not be published for Christmas and that I also owed them more money.
I was furious. I sent an email right back stating that I HAD send the correct money for both of my books. I had sent the files but they had not picked them up for over 10 days. They had promised me that my books would be out for Christmas but now they were saying that it would not be possible to do so. It was ALL their fault. I had done everything they had asked and inthe time limit, so I threathed to sue them for breach of contract and lost of earning.
Now I statrted getting results. I got one book released on Dec. 24th. I had got it out but it was still to late for the Christmas sales. My other book came out just 10 days ago. Then they had put all the wrong info on for the book. WAH!!!!
I want to get out of Trafford and get into a main conventional publisher. I would not recomend this route to ANYONE.
Thanks
Kev

mysterywriter666
02-28-2008, 03:01 AM
Hey folks,

I wasted my entire day seeking justice etc with trafford publishing adding many of my pages to a google site-free for all viewers eyes. I was shocked I wasn't asked permission to do this with MY WORK. But turns out many have told me it is more of a selling feature the more they advertise my novel. So I am a little less pee'd off at trafford.




Yes, trafford was a good idea at the time when I was young and STUPID!
I also had problems with them opening my file and then they screwed up on the cover they had every excuse why it wasn't their fault. Then they sent me an additional bill to re do the cover...mind you I never paid it and never will.

I would like to know if anyone has had a book published with them and googled your name and found that trafford not only selling through-out well-known websites example Walmart.com, Chapters.com, and so on....
Did you see where they actually put not just the synopsis for the selling feature, but just about the entire storyline...like pages 1-20 then pages 40-60 then part of the last chapter?
I called trafford because first of all I couldn't see this even being legal and feels like a personal violation, especially not even getting my permission to do so with my work...but they claim trafford customers have even asked for this. Is it true? Is it a selling feature to give away the beginning, middle and the end?

SOMEONE BESIDES TRAFFORD PUBLISHING STAFF, PLEASE CONTACT ME?

ALLWritety
04-29-2008, 10:09 AM
I have posted in POD about how trafford DOES NOT list ROYALTIES.
see:

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2305375&posted=1#post2305375

There is evidence and i am sure that many more people are been duped out of their royalties. If you have or suspect that you have please contact me.

Kev

below is the post i put in POD:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Guys,

I have some proof that Trafford IS NOT Honest about their dealings with the royalties. The email below was sent to me today. I too am sure there are many more. If you are one of them or you suspect something please email me.

Thanks
Kev

The Email:

Hi Kevin,

Excuse the interruption, however, I was given your e-mail address from a gentleman in Seattle, Washington
who I have been in contact with regarding issues with Trafford Publishing. I found a "blog" that you had written
which expressed a sentiment that I think many are feeling but to unaware to address. Your blog related to the
lack of royalty reporting by Trafford and I am deep in the middle of trying to get them to address the same issue
with me. I have published two books with Trafford in the past 1 1/2 years and have yet to receive any royalties
or even reported sales from online booksellers like amazon and barnes and noble. As a marketing person by
profession, I purchased copies of my own books from these sites so that I could track sales, as well as
document orders not only for myself, but for my customers as well. Trafford has consistently given me the
"run around" about these orders and claims that they have not received the necessary information from the
book distributors in order for these sales to record. First they told me it takes 3 months, then 5 months and
now they will not respond to either my e-mails or my telephone voicemails. It was when I offered to give
them order numbers and documented proof of the sales that they stopped communicating altogether.

I do not feel that they are specifically targeting me...I believe this practice of not reporting online sales has been
going on for quite some time and either authors are not aware and just believe that their books are not selling
or are willing to play the game and just keep waiting for their royalties to magically appear. Anyway, that is
what is happening to me and I would be very interested in hearing your story as well. While it may feel like
we are alone in dealing with this obvious deception, I am confident that there are many others like us that need
to sound their voices loud and clear and hold Trafford accountable for their actions.

lakotagirl
04-29-2008, 07:00 PM
I have some experience with Trafford. I'll pass it along for information purposes. I hope I don't ruffle any feathers.

I have not published any of my own work with them, but have a friend who wrote a self-help book. She wrote it with the intention of selling it on her self-help website. For under $1,000, she had her book printed (I formatted the files and sent to Trafford). She sells about 30 per month from her website and another five or six a month through Amazon.

She has made a little money on it. Each month that goes by adds a little more.

I had no problems dealing with Trafford. They gave her exactly what they said they would. For her, I think Trafford was a good choice.

For most writers, I would not recommend Trafford. If you have been rejected a hundred times and just want to see your book in print, you will do whatever it takes - even spend some money.

However, if all you want is to see a copy of your hard work in print, you can go to cafepress and have that done for about $15.

robertmblevins
07-18-2008, 09:54 AM
Stop.

Stop NOW!

Pay a service like Trafford to 'publish' your book?

Seven hundred dollars? Ridiculous. The only one who makes any money is Trafford. If you want to self-publish your book, let's try a better example.

How about Lightning Source? Set up a bank account in the name of a publisher (you), even if it's 'Joe Citizen Books'. Then buy 10 isbns with your own prefix for $250. Drop another $120 or so on the upload fee for your book, assign that sucker one of the ISBN's, and then upload your cover and text files to them. They charge you 12 dollars a year to keep that book in the database.

Then...you can obtain say, a six-by-nine novel at around 170 pages for something like 3.25 a copy for single copies. Set a wholesale price for the book at LSI. Make it 50-55% (and no more) of what is referred to as 'normal retail' for that size/type book. Make sure you also upload your book info and thumbnails to google, barnes, amazon, booksurge, etc.

Book jobbers at Amazon and elsewhere will add your book to their lists because they can get it wholesale. LSI's 'New Release' newsletter reaches more than 10,000 outlets a month.

Since you can now obtain your book at less than wholesale from LSI, you can also market that book legitimately to bookstores.

I kind of speeded through this post, so I may have missed on a couple of things, but this process is much better than just forking over money to folks who are going to charge YOU more than wholesale just to get a copy of your own book. And bookstore sales? Forget it. Bookstores won't touch anything they can't get wholesale. Or very little.

I speak from experience here. Adventure Books of Seattle went through Lulu.com for three and a half years. Our books were all less than ten dollars, which made them cheaper than 90% of the other books at Lulu. Ours are pro-edited and formatted. Still...we sold not that many copies.

We are dumping Lulu and moving over to LSI. One book is there. The rest will follow soon, as well as our magazine. Our upcoming release isn't even being uploaded to Lulu this time. The only thing they are good for is ordering proof copies, IMHO. That's because they charge zero dollars to make changes, and LSI charges a bundle. Your files to LSI must be LETTER PERFECT. So...use Lulu to check proofs. You do this by selecting the 'Available Only To Me' option when publishing at Lulu, and then you order a copy to check for errors or image problems. If there are errors, fix them and reload and order another copy. When you get it right, contact your LSI rep (they assign someone to you) and get ready to upload your cover and text.

If you have a problem with Trafford, the best route to go, believe it or not...is to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. It's one of the few organizations dishonest publishers fear. The form is on their website.

SergioSantamaria
02-04-2009, 02:44 PM
Hi guys and girls,

My name is Sergio and I'm a Publishing Consultant for Trafford Publishing.

New authors seeking publication face a great challenge because publishing companies flooded with unsolicited manuscripts simply do not have resources to take a chance on unproven talent.

Together we will produce a book following your instructions, we will get it registered, published and help you sell it worldwide. It will be available at the main online bookstores, the catalogues used by bookstores in North America and Europe and at book fairs around the globe.

Our main office is in Beautiful British Columbia, Canada and in the UK we are in London and Oxford.

If you have any questions or just want to talk about your book donít hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards,

Sergio Santamaria
Publishing Consultant
Trafford Publishing
81 Oxford Street Suite 205
London W1D 4EU
phone: +44 (0)207 903 5132
mobile: 07532241729
ssantamaria@trafford.com
www.trafford.com

Stacia Kane
02-04-2009, 03:33 PM
Hi guys and girls,

New authors seeking publication face a great challenge because publishing companies flooded with unsolicited manuscripts simply do not have resources to take a chance on unproven talent.



Hi Mr. Santamaria,

This statement is patently untrue. Publishing companies--real, legitimate ones who pay advances and put books on bookstore shelves--publish new authors every day. They're not "taking a chance" on anything; they see a book they think is good and will sell, and they pay the author for the right to publish it. Period.

Happens all the time. Happened to many of us on this board, including me.

James D. Macdonald
02-04-2009, 06:12 PM
It will be available at the main online bookstores, the catalogues used by bookstores in North America and Europe and at book fairs around the globe.


PublishAmerica makes the same claim (as does every other vanity press).

Isn't that just a fancy way of saying "Has an ISBN"?

M.R.J. Le Blanc
02-04-2009, 06:33 PM
Everywhere except actual physical bookstores.

Yeah. Think I'll pass and go with a publisher who pays me instead. I don't know about the rest of the company, but you Mr. Santamaria seem to have a very misinformed idea about how publishing works.

priceless1
02-04-2009, 07:29 PM
New authors seeking publication face a great challenge because publishing companies flooded with unsolicited manuscripts simply do not have resources to take a chance on unproven talent.
This is the standard line vanity and POD presses use in order to justify their existence. It's a classic "you're sunk, so don't even bother trying - come with us because we'll give you the chance you deserve." It's the used car salesman pitch. The car may be shiny on the outside, but don't dare look under the hood. That's where your money pit lives.

And what's this line about "unproven talent"? If a new writer bangs out a fabulous and marketable book, I'd say they've proven their talent in spades. New authors are extended solid, legit publishing contracts every day and their books sell very well. If you want to promote your business of pay-to-play, then I recommend doing this with a better sales pitch because lying to your potential customers doesn't create a solid foundation of trust, does it?

victoriastrauss
02-04-2009, 07:36 PM
OK, so Sergio picked the wrong spot to post a solicitation for a POD self-publishing service.

But in Trafford's favor, it doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't. And although it's pricier than some other POD companies, it's one of the less-complained-about in terms of service delivery and product quality.

- Victoria

Anna Magdalena
02-04-2009, 08:00 PM
It's very brave of you to post her, Mr Santamaria. However, what you say makes my blood boil for all same reasons given above.

It happened to me too. I got a good publishing deal without being out of pocket and deluded into the bargain. I'm not famous, I'm not young and blonde, I'm not photogenic but I've got a publishing deal from a small but traditional publisher who paid me an advance as soon as I signed the contract. The publisher has a distributor here and in the USA. My book is in their glossy catalogue. The cover was designed by a professional design company and went through various changes and I was in on all the discussions. I have an experienced publicist on the case who is there at the end of a phone and email --as is my editor. I may even be paid royalties, even though I'm not ever likely to be a bestseller. I did this without an agent but by submitting a partial, then being asked for the full manuscript and then being accepted.

Good publishing is all about whether a publisher (through experience and knowledge of the business) considers that a manuscript can be turned into a book that will sell--through bookshops--not to just listed on their websites--that means nothing but physically on the shelves, and if the terms are right on the front tables. No-one 'deserves' to be published unless their product is good enough and that's what publishers look for. And funnily enough, that usually means it's well-written. My publisher has never flattered me or told me that I deserve to published. I wrote the novel. He believes he can sell it and make a profit for both of us. I like that. It's straightforward.


Stop misleading people, Mr Santamaria. It's called vanity because it appeals to people's vanity--by telling people who need to work harder and longer that they're worth it. Some are. Some aren't. But I long for the day that companies like Trafford come clean and say they make their money out of writers not the book-buying public. I have no problem with what you and they do as long as they don't use obfuscation and misleading statements to trick people to part with their cash unnecessarily.

M.R.J. Le Blanc
02-04-2009, 09:22 PM
OK, so Sergio picked the wrong spot to post a solicitation for a POD self-publishing service.

But in Trafford's favor, it doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't. And although it's pricier than some other POD companies, it's one of the less-complained-about in terms of service delivery and product quality.

- Victoria

From the looks of things, no one's protesting the POD so much as the stupid 'new authors have it hard' spiel he's using to advertise the POD.

victoriastrauss
02-04-2009, 10:30 PM
Yeah, but most POD self-pub companies use this pitch or some version of it. Trafford is hardly unique in that.

- Victoria

CaoPaux
04-07-2009, 11:20 PM
Just a note that Author Solutions (AuthorHouse, iUniverse, Xlibris) has bought Trafford.

Writer Beware's commentary: http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2009/04/victoria-strauss-author-solutions-buys.html

James D. Macdonald
04-08-2009, 04:52 AM
...it's one of the less-complained-about in terms of service delivery and product quality.

Looks like that's about to change.

MickRooney
04-08-2009, 05:23 AM
Looks like that's about to change.

If iUniverse is anything to go by, you'd better believe it!

SilverWolfe
07-29-2012, 12:56 AM
Hi Everyone,
I'm new here.
I have just finished a book, this will be my first published, and I've been looking around, Trafford has some really pushy sale people and seems to promise the world, I'm just not quite comfortable with their sale aproach.
Does anyone know anything about Digital Legend in Salt lake, a friend told me about them.
I'm also looking into Inner Traditions, if anyone knows anything about them please let me know, thanks.

aliceshortcake
07-29-2012, 01:10 PM
Links:
http://www.digitalegend.com/home.html

http://www.innertraditions.com/

I suggest that you start new threads for both companies.

James D. Macdonald
03-03-2013, 05:03 AM
It appears there is a current class-action lawsuit against AuthorSolutions (and all its imprints):


Investigation of Author Solutions’ Deceptive Practices

Giskan Solotaroff Anderson & Stewart LLP is currently investigating the practices of Author Solutions and all of its brands (AuthorHouse, iUniverse, Trafford, Xlibris, Inkubook, and Wordclay). Authors using Author Solutions have complained of deceptive practices, including enticing authors to purchase promotional services that are not provided or are worthless, failing to pay royalties, and spamming authors and publishing blogs/sites with promotional material.
If you have self-published with Author Solutions or any of its brands and have been the victim of deceptive practices, please fill out the form below.


http://www.gslawny.com/lawyer-attorney-2103286.html

CaoPaux
04-22-2018, 10:02 PM
Lawsuit(s) settled/dismissed: https://accrispin.blogspot.com/2015/08/author-solutions-class-action-lawsuit.html